Which quests have gay references?

Deter1UK

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Into the Vice Den and Hadran's Fall in Reaper's March, where you help Sind rescue his boyfriend Tand. Also there's a quest in Bangkorai (I don't remember the name) where you help a guy who dates a dude with lycanthropy problems, and a quest in Summerset related to a woman and her transgender sister.

I should say I love how Zenimax/Bethesda brought LGBT into ES world. Good work, ZOS! 🏳️‍🌈❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤

I also love how it feels very natural, instead of some other companies that force it into the context making it look superficial.

Indeed. I've been gaming since MUDs. The first time I encountered a same-sex couple in ESO I had a jolt of suprise immediately followed by feeling immensely touched by how sensitively and natural it was handled. Im still pleased when I come across them. Well done ZOS.

FrancisCrawford

ESO has a lot of NPCs who flirt hard with characters of both sexes, especially PCs.

Actual quests with LGBTQ references include:

• The quest with the dying Bosmer husband, near a wayshrine in the south of one of the Bosmer zones, noted above.
• The Bangorkai "help my husband" quest, noted above.
• A "help my wife" quest given by the first mate (?) of a ship in a northeastern coastal area in one of the early AD (?) zones.
• The trans quest in Summerset, which should probably be discussed only in spoilers.
• The one at the estate in central Rivenspire, triggered by a heterosexual male fiance' in which the problem turns out to involve the woman's mutual interest with her orc maid, noted above.
• Velsa's personal quests
  in the Thieves Guild quest line, noted above.

I also like that a couple of the best NPC relationship jokes were saved for lesbians. There's the "moving stock" one in Belkarth, and the two shopkeepers (one in the main crafting area and the other in the enchanting shop) in the Hollow City.

There aren't a lot of LGBTQ relationships, frankly, but they seem to be handled exactly like heterosexual relationships in most cases.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Didn't someone make a list of all LGBTQ things in Elder Scrolls, including ESO? I'm sure I remember it has been brought up more than once.

baratron wrote: »

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/lgbtq-tamriel

Scroll down to Elder Scrolls Online. It's listed by NPC rather than by quest, and may include spoilers.

Ah, someone has already linked it

TwinLamps

Well, this aint a quest but it was a series of dialogues u can ahve with 2 NPCs in Hollow City after you restored it.
There is a dunmer enchanter unaware of affection certain khajiit vendor shows for her, going as far to leave her dead animals as offerings on a doorstep

FrancisCrawford

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Didn't someone make a list of all LGBTQ things in Elder Scrolls, including ESO? I'm sure I remember it has been brought up more than once.

baratron wrote: »

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/lgbtq-tamriel

Scroll down to Elder Scrolls Online. It's listed by NPC rather than by quest, and may include spoilers.

Ah, someone has already linked it

Good list. Doesn't have everybody who flirts with you, however, with Ulagarg Chiefs-Bane (sp?) being the first omission I noted.

Jaimeh

The quest in Morthal in Western Skyrim involves the Jarl's daugter and her past relationship with a female necromancer.

ChaosWotan

Cool Again tnx for a great response

Scion_of_Yggdrasil

During the original Daggerfall Covenant starter quest (I forget the island? desert location? you start in, after you're pulled aboard the ship after escaping that uh.... soul shriven place. memory. bad. failing.) there is a Nord...

There is a, assumed to be, gay Nord that joins your crew. He makes a comment along the lines of being excited to work next to whats his face (memory so bad it hurts), along with several other women excited to be on board with him. According to the Nord, whats his face is known for his stamina, and the Nord looks forward to getting sweaty alongside him made me chuckle.

I know I have a screen shot of the Nords funny dialogue, and have yet to finish the quest. I'll have to add details later. I was also 2 glasses of wine in at that point, and air fist bumped my tv from the couch.

On the topic of this topic.... Mass Effect is another title with prominent inclusion of homosexuality, and interspecies relationships among the various alien races, presenting several NPC's throughout your adventures in the galaxy that are obviously with their same sex partner, or tell you so through dialogue/questing. You even have the option to "romance" same sex crew members. By "romance" I simply mean you have the option to develop your relationship through dialogue between quests, leading up to them being your boyfriend/girlfriend, and have a special cut scene with them before the final quest.

kinguardian

Oh there are a lot actually plus random npc's that mention their spouses.

In auridon you come across 2 old woodelfs 1 of them is dying and you have to find flowers for them.

Then in vvardenfell a lady asks you to find her wife who is the fore(wo)man of the building site.

There is a quest you have to find stuff that got stolen if this circus group. The bearded lady is a big nord in a dress.

NPC's flirt with you no matter if you are same sex or not.

Abahs landing has velsa who is a female dunmer and she is in love with a female khajiit.

And there are more And more throughout the game

RamiroCruzo

Craglorn vendor in Belkarth calls her partner Wife *shrug*

spartaxoxo

Jakarn is a bisexual character. He flirts mostly with females but also has male lovers. Most notably in his Elysweyr appearance, as he turns down a male lover in his first appearance in Stros M'Kai. You can talk to the turned down male nord, and he will make some comments about having only joined the crew to see Jakarn shirtless.

You learn in Elysweyr he had a shifty male Khajit lover.

newtinmpls

furiouslog wrote: »

There is also a Thieves Guild quest featuring a lesbian couple (also interracial - dumner/khajit!)

Oh...I loved that one. It's such a sweet romance.

I know there are also a few that involve same gender couples in the Pact storyline, but dang, it's been a long time.

Kalik_Gold

A lot.

StabbityDoom

[edit] asked in PM and hopefully will be able to express to OP my concerns.

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation (making something abnormal normal) in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't.

richo262

Most quests in Greymoor.

North east delve involves finding a lesbians girlfriend
Middle town quest involves lesbian lovers, I forget the story, this kind of forced writing is quite forgettable.
Many others I can't remember because of how forgettable Greymoor is.

Even the Werewolf boss, you speak to the NPC, the woman will tell you his son is gay, the son will get you how gay he is, the boyfriend will also tell you how gay he is. Such a deep story going on here.

I think ZOS is trying to explain why there are no children in ESO.

prof-dracko

The werewolf pack WB is harassing a gay Nord and his mother, who wanted to bring her son and boyfriend/husband into the wilderness toughen them up, or something. I also vaguely remember some ambient dialogue in the Elden Root sewer-sort of area, where a male Khjiit mentions getting home to his husband. I don't think I've heard it since, but it's not an area I frequent.

spartaxoxo

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

I would have given even more help if I knew that to counteract someone withdrawing help. It's a school. It's learning. You can't expect someone to change ideas that might not be ideal without education.

I think this kind of assignment is great for understanding and ESO does a fantastic job with representation.

Nairinhe

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Watchdog

Nairinhe wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Well, there is a difference between representation (which in my opinion ESO does quite well) and forceful representation, aka "shoving stuff down everyone's throat" (which in my opinion ESO does not do).

The former I am perfectly fine with, however, I do not want the latter to happen in ESO, as it would change my favourite fantasy universe to something not enjoyable at all. Some people may be more sensitive to any shift towards the latter.

richo262

Watchdog wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Well, there is a difference between representation (which in my opinion ESO does quite well) and forceful representation, aka "shoving stuff down everyone's throat" (which in my opinion ESO does not do).

The former I am perfectly fine with, howerver, I do not want the latter to happen in ESO, as it would change my favourite fantasy universe to something not enjoyable at all. Some people may be more sensitive to any shift towards the latter.

Up until Greymoor, I'd probably agree with you, it was so apparent that it was eye rolling. I actually began to feel sorry for gay people, surely they don't like having part of their identity sold back to them as a cheap commodity in this fashion. I obviously don't speak on their behalf however.

Watchdog

richo262 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Well, there is a difference between representation (which in my opinion ESO does quite well) and forceful representation, aka "shoving stuff down everyone's throat" (which in my opinion ESO does not do).

The former I am perfectly fine with, howerver, I do not want the latter to happen in ESO, as it would change my favourite fantasy universe to something not enjoyable at all. Some people may be more sensitive to any shift towards the latter.

Up until Greymoor, I'd probably agree with you, it was so apparent that it was eye rolling. I actually began to feel sorry for gay people, surely they don't like having part of their identity sold back to them as a cheap commodity in this fashion. I obviously don't speak on their behalf however.

Hmmm, I have to admit that I have still not gotten to playing Greymoor, apart from the Antiquities system. I cannot judge that yet.

craybest

I, a gay, have no issues with ESOs lgbtq representation, I enjoy it, it's nice not to be erased from stories all the time anymore. I don't feel like ESO does it Inna forced way, people have their husbands, wives, girlfriends or boyfriends and no one cares. It's done in a very natural and organic way.
I enjoyed Greymoor quests a lot btw, although I know lots of people didn't.

Nairinhe

richo262 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Well, there is a difference between representation (which in my opinion ESO does quite well) and forceful representation, aka "shoving stuff down everyone's throat" (which in my opinion ESO does not do).

The former I am perfectly fine with, howerver, I do not want the latter to happen in ESO, as it would change my favourite fantasy universe to something not enjoyable at all. Some people may be more sensitive to any shift towards the latter.

Up until Greymoor, I'd probably agree with you, it was so apparent that it was eye rolling. I actually began to feel sorry for gay people, surely they don't like having part of their identity sold back to them as a cheap commodity in this fashion. I obviously don't speak on their behalf however.

I didn't feel that "gayness" was forced in Greymoor at all. Maybe "female-ness". I think that quests with necromancer and frozen stuff could feel more natural if (spoiler just in case)

Maxten was a guy. I can't exactly pinpoint why female characters cause an overload of femininity for me in these particular stories. Maybe because Freiwen is so stereotypically sweet girly girl (love the character though, she kinda reminds me of Snow White) and Maxten is stereotypical evil-because-hearbroken mage and it would be better to just overdo stereotypes by making, so to say, power-wielding side male

Anyway, ESO still handles representation and inclusiveness very well in my opinion.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

In Tamriel, it's not even an issue. it's just normal life.

As it should be.

I love the way ZOS handled this. It's one of my favourite things about the game. The world needs love, not hate.

StabbityDoom

spartaxoxo wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

I would have given even more help if I knew that to counteract someone withdrawing help. It's a school. It's learning. You can't expect someone to change ideas that might not be ideal without education.

I think this kind of assignment is great for understanding and ESO does a fantastic job with representation.

[edit]
sent a pm asking this to OP

helping with education is one thing, but if it's an opinion piece, I think we should know.

Nairinhe

StabbityDoom wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

I would have given even more help if I knew that to counteract someone withdrawing help. It's a school. It's learning. You can't expect someone to change ideas that might not be ideal without education.

I think this kind of assignment is great for understanding and ESO does a fantastic job with representation.

I am asking whether its a neutral position paper or coming at it from a position of "being gay is bad and video games are normalizing this sick behavior" paper [this is an example, not my opinion]. If it's the latter, I think it's important to know what we are aiding with. Helping with education is one thing, but if it's an opinion piece, I think we should know.

Even if it's the latter wouldn't it be better if even biased report contained proper sources? If I see, say, an article titled "Videogames are normalizing horrendous practice of being nice to animals", I'm going right in just to see examples of those beautiful games

StabbityDoom

Nairinhe wrote: »

Even if it's the latter wouldn't it be better if even biased report contained proper sources? If I see, say, an article titled "Videogames are normalizing horrendous practice of being nice to animals", I'm going right in just to see examples of those beautiful games

true! sources should be valid, but I'd be less inclined to PERSONALLY help in that case [the animals one you are giving.]

Nairinhe

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Even if it's the latter wouldn't it be better if even biased report contained proper sources? If I see, say, an article titled "Videogames are normalizing horrendous practice of being nice to animals", I'm going right in just to see examples of those beautiful games

true! sources should be valid, but I'd be less inclined to PERSONALLY help in that case [the animals one you are giving.]

I'm not sure, honestly. I've heard that saying (no idea about source, sorry) that roughly translates into "a report about a carriage running over a dog can be presented in such a way that people will exclaim: "Down with the Republic!". Maybe it's better to provide sources that are not at least "pre-twisted". Maybe it's better not to, to avoid, so to say, tainting their reputation, because I just remembered that nowadays if someone says "ESO shows bad things" loud enough, nobody is going to check if it's true.

SpiderKnight

richo262 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Is this a subjective or an objective paper you are writing? It doesn't sound objective, because "normalize" has a negative connotation in this context and you use "gay" instead of LGBTQ, as if gay covers all of that, which it doesn't. I feel like asking us for help on such a sensitive topic without explaining your direction on this is a bit misleading. I'm not asking you to politicize or take a side - to be clear - I just would like to know if you are doing an objective paper or not. That's all. I'm not sure if the people who answered would have done so if they knew your goal here was going to end up as evidence for a subjective argument paper.

OP says nothing about LGBTQ+ (gosh, it has grown, I remember when it was only LGBT) so it's totally possible that they are only interested in the "LG" part.

Edit to add: about that "normalize" part - there's a lot of stuff that was completely taboo or was considered unnatural or just generally inappropriate not so long ago. So I imagine some people still need to be assured and others need to be reminded that some things are OK now.

Well, there is a difference between representation (which in my opinion ESO does quite well) and forceful representation, aka "shoving stuff down everyone's throat" (which in my opinion ESO does not do).

The former I am perfectly fine with, howerver, I do not want the latter to happen in ESO, as it would change my favourite fantasy universe to something not enjoyable at all. Some people may be more sensitive to any shift towards the latter.

Up until Greymoor, I'd probably agree with you, it was so apparent that it was eye rolling. I actually began to feel sorry for gay people, surely they don't like having part of their identity sold back to them as a cheap commodity in this fashion. I obviously don't speak on their behalf however.

I have to agree with you there. It didn't feel as forced before Greymoor. This chapter, it felt kinda awkward a bit when I played through, like they wanted more praise, rather than having it feel natural like it is/was.

ChaosWotan

This forum is about ESO, the game and its content. Political debates and similar RL discussions get closed. So I simply asked about facts relating to the content of the game. That's it