Singing Skald costume false advertising

nukk3r

The hat of the new costume makes your characters go bald but promo image clearly shows hair.

Dusk_Coven

Because a hat shouldn't actually make you go bald...

But that requires a lot of forethought into hair design that many games don't have.
TERA has optional-toggle "upswept" hairstyles for the times when your costume would interfere with your long hair at the back, and sometimes when you are wearing a hat, so it tucks in properly or doesn't clip.

bluebird

It's a shame about all these new hat models we got since Greymoor - the fact that unlike other hats they remove any trace of hair makes them some of the worst hats ever, and resulted in a lot of disappointment and lack of interest.

Nairinhe

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

that requires a lot of forethought

That requires bare minimum of forethought and 1 (one) hairstyle for such cases. But all we'll have is "passed on feedback but no fixes"

nukk3r

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

But that requires a lot of forethought into hair design that many games don't have.

As earlier costumes show, ESO took care of it.

Dojohoda

UGH, I dislike that they make hats which do not include the toon's hair.

Arunei

There are a lot of hoods and hats that drastically alter your hair, or make it vanish entirely, it's not just these ones released with Greymoor (though they're more noticeable than some of the others we've had). I really don't understand it; how hard is it to have hats and other head cosmetics have their own layer on top of the hair/head layer? It seems like how it is now, hats and other such head things fight for the hair layer and override it, but I just don't see why that's the case. You'd think it would be a basic thing to have these on separate layers so they don't conflict with each other.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Again?!

Stop making us bald with hats!

bluebird wrote: »

It's a shame about all these new hat models we got since Greymoor - the fact that unlike other hats they remove any trace of hair makes them some of the worst hats ever, and resulted in a lot of disappointment and lack of interest.

Yeah. I was looking forward to the Breton hats and I looked forward to this costume. So it was very disappointing that they make us completely bald. We have had tons of hats before that either tucks it all in, or even better. The few ones that makes some hairstyles poke out a little.

This feels so incredibly lazy.

Dusk_Coven

nukk3r wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

But that requires a lot of forethought into hair design that many games don't have.

As earlier costumes show, ESO took care of it.

Hmm good to know.
I've seen some hats that work with long hairstyles but I figured they just made a wide hat to cover any possible clipping (e.g., the witch hat from the Witches Festival).

theskymoves

Thanks for the warning! That's another no-buy for me.

dcam86b14_ESO

I'll just wear the outfit without the hat and apply my witch one .

Myyth

They better rename it to " The Bald Skald Costume" immediately then!! I bet the costume doesn't even sing does it?

TwinLamps

so you say costume name should be malding skald lmoa

Nairinhe

@ZOS_SarahHecker any hope for a fix?

Lady_Sleepless

I really like the costume and in the showcase I saw that the man had hair, so I was hopeful. But it seems just like the crown crate hats. Such a shame.

LadyNalcarya

This is just lazy. I was waiting for this costume, not sure if it's worth buying now. Disappointing.

tomofhyrule

What, really?

They saw how annoyed we got with the Crown Crate hats since that happened, and they have plenty of examples of hats that don't shave your head first.

I'm not expecting every hairstyle to have a 'hat' version, but just the basic pulled-up that they used in the Budi-Shirt costume. Those assets are already in game, so we know it's possible.

How hard is it to do the same thing to these hats as they did with the other hats?

BisDasBlutGefriert

hair is an asset that needs to be loaded on each character, then the hat on top needs to be loaded too. Two separate assets for each character who wears both.

What it looks like is that the hat asset just accidentally replaced the hair asset in game instead of loading it separately. Or maybe it's just passing over the hair and just loading in the hat instead of replacing it?

I honestly don't know 🤷🏼‍♂️

Maybe that's why that veil doesn't get loaded with hoods from that other thread?

Minyassa

You know, I don't like that the hats remove a toon's hair, but honestly I don't wear hats that often and I could live with that. But I have a very keen interest in knowing why the promo image reflects a different reality. I want to hear an explanation for that. Because I can deal with the devs taking shortcuts in making assets, but I tend to be less forgiving with lies.

Daemons_Bane

It also shows a white male, which you did not get changed into.. Just be glad that the picture is not always what you get

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Dusk_Coven

Minyassa wrote: »

You know, I don't like that the hats remove a toon's hair, but honestly I don't wear hats that often and I could live with that. But I have a very keen interest in knowing why the promo image reflects a different reality. I want to hear an explanation for that. Because I can deal with the devs taking shortcuts in making assets, but I tend to be less forgiving with lies.

I think it's because promo / inspirational artwork doesn't think about programming realities. Highly unlikely to be intentionally misleading. There's hair in the artwork because it's just reasonable. That promotional image probably came first instead of the other way around. If they already had an in-game item, they'd just screenshot something instead of commissioning artwork, which would have taken longer.

Missing hair in the in-game product is probably either oversight or shortcut. Translating anything into an in-game item necessarily involves some shortcuts and sacrifices for various reasons.

Thorntongue

The horror of it all...

MajThorax

What's going on lately with all the hats making you bald? Is there a shaving service included in the hat wearing process?

tomofhyrule

Yep, just checked it out - the hat shaves your character bald.

I am a bit annoyed since I (like a lot of people here, evidently) saw the promo art character still had hair so I naturally assumed it would keep our hair. I didn't expect that it would work like the Crate hats and delete the hair.

But I did notice something while I was in there - it's not like something changed at all. The crates also offer the Innkeeper costume, which doesn't shave your character when you use it. It works just like the Budi-shirt costume, in that the hair is put up.

Here's some pics. Sorry if they're dark, it's night in-game and Gar's got dark hair in the first place:

Picture A: the Budi-Shirt outfit. His hair is tucked up under the hat as normal.
Picture B: what it looks like with the new Skald outfit (and by extension the Crate hats as well). He's bald underneath, no matter what his hair normally is.

Now the Innkeeper costume is in the current set of crates, but it works like the Budi-shirt costume.
Picture C: Gar wearing the Innkeeper outfit. Again, his hair is tucked up under the bandanna
Picture D : a test with Gar wearing the 'no hair style' hair and using the costume. Now he is showing as bald since I set him to be bald.

There's even a couple options there. Picture E is the Innkeeper costume with the Bruma Burr Cut hair, and the hair we see in the costume is appropriately shaved. Picture F is using the Tight Curled Hair Helmet, and again the hairline shown is correctly textured.

I understand that sometimes it's not possible to do things, but the Innkeeper costume isn't like it's an old costume - it first released in the crates on June 18 of this year. Why does that costume work as intended, but the Skald costume that released less than tweo months later (and was datamined at the same time, so they were orignially made right around the same time) just shaves everyone bald? If those assets are used for one costume that released in the last two months, why can't that easily just be used for the other?

This is kind of annoying. That's a really good looking costume, and it just needs that extra little bit that ZOS's art team has already done on another costume recently to make it perfect. Right now, it just looks lazy. And yeah, the fact that it's obviously done in the promo pic with the hairline is getting close to false advertising... We're not expecting to be able to pose like that, but it's not out there to expect that we'd be able to get the hairline to look the same.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

It might be worth mentioning that all of the npcs in the Jarl's longhouse in Karthwatch are also mysteriously bad. It makes me think it's a bug, that's affecting some of their new hats as well.

radiostar

Hmm, they used to just change your hairstyle. Now you go bald, lol

volkeswagon

i think I'm gonna quit the game over this

AyeshaBelladonna

This is just lazy on ZOS' part now. the new hats many of us were all excited about? Bald characters. the new Bard costume? Bald characters. WTH ZOS. this is now what... a full costume and at least 3 or 4 hats? It was bad enough when we all got stuck with no hair or a single style default hat hair, depending on if you had a pony tail or not, but we can't even change hair styles to accommodate now so we are not bald. Why do you keep releasing things with this issue? We have raised the issue on PTS. We have reported the bugs. Still you launch them like this, unfixed. We hadn't had a new hair style in AGES (or even a return of the older custom styles and we KNOW people have been asking for them to come back... *cough cough, magenta hair, heidi braids, rotmeth bed head, cough* ) before you finally released the pirate hair finally.... and now bald issues.... *sigh* come on, cosmetics are some of our favorite things in game. please don't keep on with the lazy releases.

AyeshaBelladonna

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

You know, I don't like that the hats remove a toon's hair, but honestly I don't wear hats that often and I could live with that. But I have a very keen interest in knowing why the promo image reflects a different reality. I want to hear an explanation for that. Because I can deal with the devs taking shortcuts in making assets, but I tend to be less forgiving with lies.

I think it's because promo / inspirational artwork doesn't think about programming realities. Highly unlikely to be intentionally misleading. There's hair in the artwork because it's just reasonable. That promotional image probably came first instead of the other way around. If they already had an in-game item, they'd just screenshot something instead of commissioning artwork, which would have taken longer.

Missing hair in the in-game product is probably either oversight or shortcut. Translating anything into an in-game item necessarily involves some shortcuts and sacrifices for various reasons.

The realities here is we have existing hats and costumes with hats in game and don't have an issue going bald. regardless of other 'concept art vs realities of programming' issues, we have a clear precedent to set our expectations on. Having hair when wearing a hat is one of them. and this now make more than a couple newer released hats with the balding issue. I could forgive the oversight easier had we not been reporting these very issues repeatedly on PTS and they STILL let it go live.

Michae

Myyth wrote: »

They better rename it to " The Bald Skald Costume" immediately then!! I bet the costume doesn't even sing does it?

It looks more like The Singing Bald to me.