The AoE Tests and Performance in Cyrodiil

Abyssmol

West93 wrote: »

I only play pvp and primary as a templar (stam), solo or with couple friends, I play cyrodiil everyday and now with double AP reward, I will not be able to play my class in cyrodiil because of such unfair disadvantage, not being able to use spammable even if I am fighting 1v1, while my opponent can spam dizzy swing 3 times more.

Thanks ZOS.

ZOS should make 2H skill line scale with offensive stats, like they did with Soul Trap. same goes for destruction staff for stamina characters.

Mayrael

Coagulating Blood OP I guess. This gonna be fun from perspective of healing...

Onefrkncrzypope

Why is ZoS just jumping straight into combat changes. Cosmetics have gone absolutely overboard. Flaming Custom armor outfits with sup high res seams where the mesh wasn't smoothed over on 100 people probably causes a maybe a bit of lag. Slam the enemy into the alliance outfits(roleplayers rejoice army uniforms) so you only load one dang thing for every person on the other team.

Starting with core mechanics is not the first step in optimizing.

I mean people use polymorphs in pve to reduce lag, so maybe it's a good idea..... Wish the PvP community test that on their own so that ZoS can check it. It hurts the bottom line cause people want people to see that they bought the shiny particle vomit of a house and outfit that cost 50 dollars.

katorga

Mayrael wrote: »

Coagulating Blood OP I guess. This gonna be fun from perspective of healing...

Good point actually. Coag is finally going to be the best heal in the game.

Meanwhile stamblades gonna be spamming Ambush/Surprise Attack/Incap while Templars and other classes are struggling with all the cooldowns, cost increases, penalties and bugs associated with their aoe skills. This is going to be a hoot.

They come up with AOE being a problem, literally, after just releasing Venomous Smite which procs an AOE dot on a target that travels around with the target, and then has to perform a calculation every second of who is in range, and who to apply a dot tick to, along with all of the calculations on how much each one of those ticks on each person is.

Then they release the 6.1 patch notes with umpteen new or buffed proc sets all doing exactly what they say causes lag!

mb10

Alpheu5 wrote: »

I welcome a single target meta if it means I can actually cast some abilities in Cyro.

look how low the bar has become

stefj68

VaranisArano wrote: »

stefj68 wrote: »

whats the point of getting ap on the test server? does it carries to lives?

The tests are happening on the Live server. Might want to reread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/539136/update-on-cyrodiil-performance-upcoming-aoe-tests/p1

and we are suppose to test the new set changes on pts, on live server to test stability? that makes no senses either way

MincVinyl

stefj68 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

stefj68 wrote: »

whats the point of getting ap on the test server? does it carries to lives?

The tests are happening on the Live server. Might want to reread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/539136/update-on-cyrodiil-performance-upcoming-aoe-tests/p1

and we are suppose to test the new set changes on pts, on live server to test stability? that makes no senses either way

how would you test how high population density affects server performance on a test server where <10 people are in cyrodil at a time?

Lughlongarm

What about AOE proc effects from gear, shouldn't those be the first to go?

Banana

I'm guessing adding more server infrastructure to handle the load better wouldn't work ?

Tranquilizer

Banana wrote: »

I'm guessing adding more server infrastructure to handle the load better wouldn't work ?

Don't know, but it seems to work to a certain extent every Midyear Mayhem.

Kram8ion

I’m a console player this sounds terrible but why am I so jealous!

Synssaturdayy9

why is their now a 3 second cool down to aoes i guess templars aren't even gonna be a usable class next patch pvp wise i swear this is probably one of the worst ideas i have seen like im sorry but its true imagine your in cyrodiil alone on a stamina or magicka templar and next minute you get jumped by a nightblade spamming surprise attack how are you gonna counter their burst when you can only put out 1 set of jabs and have to wait 3 seconds after the 4 jab to reuse the ability the idea of that just puts me off pvp in general like why would this even be necessary to begin with and not only mentioning this one class im also speaking for spin wardens stam sorcs mag sorcs dragon knights etc like this is worse than the animation cancelling nerfs by miles........

drakthir

Synssaturdayy9 wrote: »

why is their now a 3 second cool down to aoes i guess templars aren't even gonna be a usable class next patch pvp wise i swear this is probably one of the worst ideas i have seen like im sorry but its true imagine your in cyrodiil alone on a stamina or magicka templar and next minute you get jumped by a nightblade spamming surprise attack how are you gonna counter their burst when you can only put out 1 set of jabs and have to wait 3 seconds after the 4 jab to reuse the ability the idea of that just puts me off pvp in general like why would this even be necessary to begin with and not only mentioning this one class im also speaking for spin wardens stam sorcs mag sorcs dragon knights etc like this is worse than the animation cancelling nerfs by miles........

They are just testing how much aoe affects the pvp lag, the 3 seconds cooldown isn't set in stone, this isn't a balance patch this is just a test phase.

ccfeeling

If the server cannot support high number of players, just set the limit to 20 players each alliance

Mayrael

Synssaturdayy9 wrote: »

why is their now a 3 second cool down to aoes i guess templars aren't even gonna be a usable class next patch pvp wise i swear this is probably one of the worst ideas i have seen like im sorry but its true imagine your in cyrodiil alone on a stamina or magicka templar and next minute you get jumped by a nightblade spamming surprise attack how are you gonna counter their burst when you can only put out 1 set of jabs and have to wait 3 seconds after the 4 jab to reuse the ability the idea of that just puts me off pvp in general like why would this even be necessary to begin with and not only mentioning this one class im also speaking for spin wardens stam sorcs mag sorcs dragon knights etc like this is worse than the animation cancelling nerfs by miles........

Yeah... This is complete nonsense, how they imagine to balance this out. This game really is not even in beta state, it's like alpha stage, ZOS have no clear aim, not to mention how to achieve it. I'm sick and tired of this... They change core mechanics every patch since 2 years, I'm exhausted...

Tranquilizer

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Why is ZoS just jumping straight into combat changes. Cosmetics have gone absolutely overboard. Flaming Custom armor outfits with sup high res seams where the mesh wasn't smoothed over on 100 people probably causes a maybe a bit of lag. Slam the enemy into the alliance outfits(roleplayers rejoice army uniforms) so you only load one dang thing for every person on the other team.

Starting with core mechanics is not the first step in optimizing.

I mean people use polymorphs in pve to reduce lag, so maybe it's a good idea..... Wish the PvP community test that on their own so that ZoS can check it. It hurts the bottom line cause people want people to see that they bought the shiny particle vomit of a house and outfit that cost 50 dollars.

Yeah, maybe ZOS should really do a test with unified appearance and mounts, like the outfit and horse from the all races, all alliances pack. If it helps I'm all for it. Better than gutting the gameplay.

Fawn4287

The problem is these ballgroups will all be running 2-3 proc damage sets per player, replacing AOE spam damage with light attack proc set spam, whilst still cleansing all dots themselves, just using a new means to achieve the same outcome

katorga

Synssaturdayy9 wrote: »

why is their now a 3 second cool down to aoes i guess templars aren't even gonna be a usable class next patch pvp wise i swear this is probably one of the worst ideas i have seen like im sorry but its true imagine your in cyrodiil alone on a stamina or magicka templar and next minute you get jumped by a nightblade spamming surprise attack how are you gonna counter their burst when you can only put out 1 set of jabs and have to wait 3 seconds after the 4 jab to reuse the ability the idea of that just puts me off pvp in general like why would this even be necessary to begin with and not only mentioning this one class im also speaking for spin wardens stam sorcs mag sorcs dragon knights etc like this is worse than the animation cancelling nerfs by miles........

Assume one of the four options, cool down, global cool down, ramping costs, cooldown plus ramping costs is going live. It will apply to PVE as well as PVP, and as ZOS stated in the notes, every class and skill line will have to be rebuilt because they will be unusable.

Every MMO has That Patch that starts the Death Spiral. This is probably That Patch for ESO.

TequilaFire

Fawn4287 wrote: »

The problem is these ballgroups will all be running 2-3 proc damage sets per player, replacing AOE spam damage with light attack proc set spam, whilst still cleansing all dots themselves, just using a new means to achieve the same outcome

When we see you we will all make sure we will just stand there and let you kill us so it makes you feel better.

JanTanhide

The main issue is the Servers cannot handle the player base load. They have known this for years but instead of investing in more robust servers to handle the players they instead gimp the players.

I would guess that ZOS brings in around $15 million U.S. each month in subs and crown sales. With that income one would think an updated, more powerful Server is an easy thing to invest in.

If all these AOE changes make it to Live permanently and make it to PVE then the game will die. People are not going to play this game with 3 second cool downs on their AOEs. It's ridiculous.

Invest in new, more powerful servers and stop gimping the game.