I'm starting to believe most players are upset with themselves.

Jim_Berry

I began playing ESO on Xbox One at it's initial release. It was good for the first few months, then became toxic. I then transitioned to the PS4 version and experienced the same thing. I ended up taking a hiatus about a year ago.

Having just returned, a few days ago, I am experiencing the same community issue; people skip everything in a dungeon to kill the last boss.

I don't get the reasoning behind it, nor have I got an explanation. The people who do it never respond, while the rest of us look crazy while we're trying to figure out why the next quest marker isn't appearing. I (or we) then have to run the dungeon again, and it would be a few runs until I FINALLY get actual quest completed.

Is there a reason why people are not considerate of players who may need to finish the quests?

When I complained about it to myself, here's a dumbed down version of a conversation between me and my 6-year old daughter:

Daughter: "Dad, maybe they are mad because they don't have everything!"
Me: "What you mean?"
Daughter: "You can go everywhere and play everything, right?"
Me: "Ummm... yeah?"
Daughter: "You know, the thing you have that's like Xbox Gold."
Me: "Oooooohhhh... You mean my sub, my ESO sub."
Daughter: "Yeah! Maybe they mad because they can only do the same cave over and over and not the others."
Me: "lol... Maybe!"
Daughter: "They probably don't have Gold Plus and can't do the caves from the other areas that you bought."
Me: "That makes sense!"
Daughter: "This game always make you mad. I like when you play Black Desert or Final Fantasy."
Me: "..."

I think there should be a notification that pops up when entering a dungeon that notifies us that one or more players has not completed the main quest in that dungeon. Final Fantasy XIV does it.

Vevvev

Many times the gear we're looking for drops from the final boss. Like for instance I'm still trying to get the Burning Spellweave Inferno Staff from City of Ash and it only drops from the final boss in that dungeon. Just to make life easier I've been using stage 4 vampirisim to cheese it and skip just about everything so I could get to the end. After doing that dungeon over 40 times and still no inferno staff my sanity is gone....

I at least have the courtesy to use this tactic solo but you'll find there are a lot of people in ESO who have done the same dungeon over, and over, and over, and over again and they still don't get the item they are looking for. It drives them to just ignoring everyone and blazing a trail to the end in hopes their search finally ends. This phenomenon even happens in DLC dungeons so its not just a non-ESO+ thing.

Nord_Raseri

It may be one of the undaunted dailies or they're leveling new alts/skill lines by doing random dungeons(extra xp upon killing last boss), that and I have lost count of how many times I've done each dungeon in this game, so I am very guilty of burning through dungeons quickly. That being said, if I notice someone is doing the quest or type in group chat that they're doing quest, I slow down and wait with them.

amm7sb14_ESO

Vevvev wrote: »

Many times the gear we're looking for drops from the final boss. Like for instance I'm still trying to get the Burning Spellweave Inferno Staff from City of Ash and it only drops from the final boss in that dungeon. Just to make life easier I've been using stage 4 vampirisim to cheese it and skip just about everything so I could get to the end. After doing that dungeon over 40 times and still no inferno staff my sanity is gone....

I at least have the courtesy to use this tactic solo but you'll find there are a lot of people in ESO who have done the same dungeon over, and over, and over, and over again and they still don't get the item they are looking for. It drives them to just ignoring everyone and blazing a trail to the end in hopes their search finally ends. This phenomenon even happens in DLC dungeons so its not just a non-ESO+ thing.

At least you have the courtesy to do it solo. I don't care what people do solo or with pre-made groups.

But things like what you described are one of the reasons why I absolutely refuse to do dungeon finder anymore. Too many people are only worried about their experience, and don't care how it negatively impacts other players.

TejasEric

Honestly it usually gets better if you get in a guild. Though you may have to try a few different guilds out. I find that people in a guild with you are normally more patient.

VaranisArano

There are two, maybe three, options for a better run when you have the quest:

#1 Guaranteed: make a premade group with friends/guildmates/randoms who agree to let you do the quest at your own pace

#2 Not Guaranteed: use Groupfinder, but tell people right away you want to do the quest. Many groups will be patient enough for folks doing quests, but not all will. I'll wait if you tell me, but if you don't, I might move on before I realize you are still sitting back at the last quest giver.

#3 Guaranteed on some dungeons: Solo the dungeon, if possible. If you don't bring other people, nobody can rush you through the dialogue.


The first option is always going to be effective. If you can't do it and you only group with randoms, you shouldn't be surprised when you get grouped with people who had differing priorities, including "I just wanna finish this dungeon ASAP!"

colossalvoids

People are just bored of running same content for years refarming same stuff after buffs/nerfs we have every single patch. Nowadays you have leads from some last bosses so people obviously skip as much as they can to end their 99th run. Some just don't have time to look at every scenery while their exp scroll running out or even more important irl stuff happening. If it's make you comfortable thinking they are some kind of miserable because don't have some eso+ it's up to you of course but i pretty sure most skippers are the ones who actually bored because they already have/had everything. Newer players are always more excited to do content in full rather than skip parts as a time saver.

Dusk_Coven

Jim_Berry wrote: »

Daughter: "This game always make you mad. I like when you play Black Desert or Final Fantasy."
Me: "..."

Interesting observation...

Jim_Berry wrote: »

I think there should be a notification that pops up when entering a dungeon that notifies us that one or more players has not completed the main quest in that dungeon. Final Fantasy XIV does it.

And honestly it doesn't help. Players will find a way to get around the force-you-to-watch-cutscenes parts (e.g., disconnecting and reconnecting, then killing the boss while everyone else is still watching the cutscene). Yes, you can actually do that in FFXIV for their hour-long story arc finale dungeon.

What helped was FFXIV changing the way they tell stories so that there's no waiting for quest bits in those story instances.
ESO really needs to learn from that. Tell your story before and after players need to enter the instance.

josiahva

Vevvev wrote: »

Many times the gear we're looking for drops from the final boss. Like for instance I'm still trying to get the Burning Spellweave Inferno Staff from City of Ash and it only drops from the final boss in that dungeon. Just to make life easier I've been using stage 4 vampirisim to cheese it and skip just about everything so I could get to the end. After doing that dungeon over 40 times and still no inferno staff my sanity is gone....

I at least have the courtesy to use this tactic solo but you'll find there are a lot of people in ESO who have done the same dungeon over, and over, and over, and over again and they still don't get the item they are looking for. It drives them to just ignoring everyone and blazing a trail to the end in hopes their search finally ends. This phenomenon even happens in DLC dungeons so its not just a non-ESO+ thing.

40 times? Boo Hoo, it took me 4 YEARS of running that dungeon until I finally got the inferno staff....it also drops in chests occasionally. Eventually I just stopped trying for it and it finally decided to drop when I didn't much care anymore.

On the subject though....people do have a bad habit of doing dungeons as if they are chores...if you don't enjoy running the content, why are you there? If you have done it a bazillion times then you should have all the keys you ever need. The rewards for random dungeons also are not good enough to justify running content you just want to rush through.

Vevvev

josiahva wrote: »

40 times? Boo Hoo, it took me 4 YEARS of running that dungeon until I finally got the inferno staff....it also drops in chests occasionally. Eventually I just stopped trying for it and it finally decided to drop when I didn't much care anymore.

I typed over 40 times because I lost count.

tomofhyrule

I only queue for pledges, so I understand that people want to run those quickly. Also lead farming or anything of the sort. However, there's a decent number of people who are considerate if they know that someone needs help.

I think for the most part, if someone says so at the beginning that they're looking for XYZ set pieces or they say they need quest, many people will then wait. Yeah, there are always some [fill in word here] who don't want to, but I'll change things up if I see someone with that.

I did one EHI where we killed the first boss, and then I asked if anyone needed the achieve. The others in the group were new so didn't know, so I took everyone back to kill the boss that always gets skipped so they could get the achieve. Same with a vet Tempest the other day - someone said they were on the quest, so we took the time to kill the rest of the beach adds even though you don't need to for pledge.

This is however one of the things that would be great about a solo story mode. Even when I'm in a dungeon the first time, I speedrun the dialogue so I don't get to read it - and I'm one of those people who will listen to every word when I'm overland questing. I don't have the DPS to take on normal dungeons solo so I can't get them that way.

Nord_Raseri

Vevvev wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

40 times? Boo Hoo, it took me 4 YEARS of running that dungeon until I finally got the inferno staff....it also drops in chests occasionally. Eventually I just stopped trying for it and it finally decided to drop when I didn't much care anymore.

I typed over 40 times because I lost count.

After 3 years(4?) I have only ever seen it once. On an under 50 character...

Vevvev

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

40 times? Boo Hoo, it took me 4 YEARS of running that dungeon until I finally got the inferno staff....it also drops in chests occasionally. Eventually I just stopped trying for it and it finally decided to drop when I didn't much care anymore.

I typed over 40 times because I lost count.

After 3 years(4?) I have only ever seen it once. On an under 50 character...

Reminds me of my friend who did CoA for the first time in a maxed out character and got an inferno staff on his first run. Luckiest man alive right there....

Danel_Vadan

I think there should be a notification that pops up when entering a dungeon that notifies us that one or more players has not completed the main quest in that dungeon.

Yes, that notification is you saying it in chat. People are not going to wait for you just because. It's up to you to ask; most of us are just there to kill the boss and get our keys.

Donny_Vito

Lol I always love these quoted conversations that people have, always written a certain way to prove a point.

TequilaFire

Maybe you should have to complete all parts of the dungeon to unlock the final boss and it's loot.
/runs and hides

Raisin

In the end, group finder dungeons basically function on a majority wins basis. If more people want to do the running through, that's what the group does. If more people stay behind and ignore the runner, that's what the group does. You are free to kick the runner so they don't do the dungeon for you (or break the quest) but that will also require a majority vote.

Aznarb

Jim_Berry wrote: »

I began playing ESO on Xbox One at it's initial release. It was good for the first few months, then became toxic. I then transitioned to the PS4 version and experienced the same thing. I ended up taking a hiatus about a year ago.

Having just returned, a few days ago, I am experiencing the same community issue; people skip everything in a dungeon to kill the last boss.

I don't get the reasoning behind it, nor have I got an explanation. The people who do it never respond, while the rest of us look crazy while we're trying to figure out why the next quest marker isn't appearing. I (or we) then have to run the dungeon again, and it would be a few runs until I FINALLY get actual quest completed.

Is there a reason why people are not considerate of players who may need to finish the quests?

When I complained about it to myself, here's a dumbed down version of a conversation between me and my 6-year old daughter:

Daughter: "Dad, maybe they are mad because they don't have everything!"
Me: "What you mean?"
Daughter: "You can go everywhere and play everything, right?"
Me: "Ummm... yeah?"
Daughter: "You know, the thing you have that's like Xbox Gold."
Me: "Oooooohhhh... You mean my sub, my ESO sub."
Daughter: "Yeah! Maybe they mad because they can only do the same cave over and over and not the others."
Me: "lol... Maybe!"
Daughter: "They probably don't have Gold Plus and can't do the caves from the other areas that you bought."
Me: "That makes sense!"
Daughter: "This game always make you mad. I like when you play Black Desert or Final Fantasy."
Me: "..."

I think there should be a notification that pops up when entering a dungeon that notifies us that one or more players has not completed the main quest in that dungeon. Final Fantasy XIV does it.

Do you tell to other about your quest at the start ?
If not they wouldn't know and ofc they gonna rush them.

I've never seen any group saying "no [snip] u" when they asked to take time for quest.
That the same for wipe on mechanic, people come, don't say anything about how they don't know this mech/dg and wait to everyone wipe and eventually ask, but most of the time don't say anything and when other player understand the guy is doing [snip] and not asking about strat, they'll kick it and the guy gonna come complain on the forum..

[Edited for Censor Bypass]

El_Borracho

Sorry for your frustration. But if you are doing group finder, this is typically what you are going to get. I'm guilty of doing this too. I've probably run the base dungeons hundreds of times at this point. And now that you have to farm out leads from several of the dungeons, and the drop rate is atrocious, you're probably going to see more of this

Dojohoda

It's more "players are doing the daily and only killing the 2 or 3 bosses required ", than "players are being rude and not killing all of the bosses for the story quest."

I recommend that you invest time in a guild and get guildies to run dungeons with you. If the guild doesn't have established "story runs" ask to start that and run the event.

Athyrium93

Sometimes skipping bosses isn't intentional, when you don't have the quest because you've already done it once long ago, it can be easy to completely forget that some of them exist because your so used to running right by.

AmoralOne

If I am running a random dungeon for the XP (Which i dont anymore) I would always skip every single thing I was able to, and finish the dungeon as quick as possible.

If I am farming gear ill kill everything, and I run with a premade 4 man so I wouldnt have to deal with people like me that run through it.

I fully expect every dungeon I go into that we will skip as much of the dungeon as possible, and get to the end as quick as possible.

Agenericname

TequilaFire wrote: »

Maybe you should have to complete all parts of the dungeon to unlock the final boss and it's loot.
/runs and hides

Thats something that I wouldn't mind seeing personally. One of my characters has almost all of the challengers and some trifectas but got FG1 survivor after Mountain God because people want to skip the other bosses.

On my tank, which has almost the same achievements save the trifectas, I typically run with a group now because it's usually the achievements that I'm after.

I sort of chuckle when I read the "fake tank" threads because it's mostly a self induced problem.

amm7sb14_ESO

Agenericname wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Maybe you should have to complete all parts of the dungeon to unlock the final boss and it's loot.
/runs and hides

Thats something that I wouldn't mind seeing personally. One of my characters has almost all of the challengers and some trifectas but got FG1 survivor after Mountain God because people want to skip the other bosses.

On my tank, which has almost the same achievements save the trifectas, I typically run with a group now because it's usually the achievements that I'm after.

I sort of chuckle when I read the "fake tank" threads because it's mostly a self induced problem.

Genuinely asking, how are fake tanks a "self induced problem"?

SirLeeMinion

I generally post in chat, "I'm running the quest," or "Is anyone running the quest." People rarely reply back, but then I feel at least I've made and effort.

On the topic, I don't think most are upset. I do think that most are playing this game for their own ends and it's a happy chance when random others align with those objectives. On the bright side, you can enjoy the humorous side of it. Just yesterday, I had a group where a high DPS semi-fake tank blew way ahead of everybody to solo a boss that has a lock down mechanic. Things like that can be funny or frustrating, but to some extent you choose which it is.

Jim_Berry

Vevvev wrote: »

This phenomenon even happens in DLC dungeons so its not just a non-ESO+ thing.

That's one of my problems, though; I honestly have not had these issues in the DLC dungeons, only the base dungeons.

Jim_Berry

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

It may be one of the undaunted dailies or they're leveling new alts/skill lines by doing random dungeons(extra xp upon killing last boss), that and I have lost count of how many times I've done each dungeon in this game, so I am very guilty of burning through dungeons quickly. That being said, if I notice someone is doing the quest or type in group chat that they're doing quest, I slow down and wait with them.

Thank you! That is all I ask when I join the dungeons. Just recently, I typed it, and one other person said, "Same!". However, the other player (Sorc dps), went on and skipped/mauled bosses. Greeted with the "Activity Complete" message, I put my head down and re-queued.

Jim_Berry

colossalvoids wrote: »

People are just bored of running same content for years refarming same stuff after buffs/nerfs we have every single patch. Nowadays you have leads from some last bosses so people obviously skip as much as they can to end their 99th run. Some just don't have time to look at every scenery while their exp scroll running out or even more important irl stuff happening. If it's make you comfortable thinking they are some kind of miserable because don't have some eso+ it's up to you of course but i pretty sure most skippers are the ones who actually bored because they already have/had everything. Newer players are always more excited to do content in full rather than skip parts as a time saver.

Boredom comes from just running from A to B just because it's a daily. It's becomes a little bit more engaging when you actually interact with people. It becomes more than just a daily at that point.

Jim_Berry

tomofhyrule wrote: »

This is however one of the things that would be great about a solo story mode. Even when I'm in a dungeon the first time, I speedrun the dialogue so I don't get to read it - and I'm one of those people who will listen to every word when I'm overland questing. I don't have the DPS to take on normal dungeons solo so I can't get them that way.

I'm like you, I will skip the dungeon conversation once the quest is flagged, and will read/listen outside.

Jim_Berry

Danel_Vadan wrote: »

I think there should be a notification that pops up when entering a dungeon that notifies us that one or more players has not completed the main quest in that dungeon.

Yes, that notification is you saying it in chat. People are not going to wait for you just because. It's up to you to ask; most of us are just there to kill the boss and get our keys.

I do ask, or mention, or whatever. The reality is, not everyone read the text chat. Even on my screen, I just get the little envelope at the upper-right corner of the screen. The text isn't viewable in the dungeon at times. Regardless, the envelope tells me that there is a new text, so I read it, especially if I'm in the dungeon.

Soulshine

Sorry but I do find it baffling that these kinds of threads always come up.

In a nutshell:

PUGing is not the way to get these things accomplished.

It just isn't. The randomness of who you get is always the dictating factor. Everything from the speed of the run, the quality of the players (or lack of it), the "fake tanks," the "fake dps," the "fake healers," the "rude" etc...

Ugh!

Just get a dedicated group and you are golden. If you have been around this long, you must have a friends list by now. If you don't - make one.