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Elemental Catalyst, New Healer Set?
UntilValhalla13
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I might be reading this wrong, but would this set not be really good for a healer using crushing shock ever 5 seconds for 18% more group crit damage? I'm on console, so I can't test it, but could it be a thing?
Elemental Catalyst (Light)
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 833 Spell Critical
4 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
5 – Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you apply a stack of Flame, Shock, or Frost Weakness to the enemy for 5 seconds. Each stack of an Elemental Weakness increases their Critical Damage taken by 6%. An enemy can only have one stack of each Elemental Weakness at a time.
Elemental Catalyst (Light)
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 833 Spell Critical
4 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
5 – Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you apply a stack of Flame, Shock, or Frost Weakness to the enemy for 5 seconds. Each stack of an Elemental Weakness increases their Critical Damage taken by 6%. An enemy can only have one stack of each Elemental Weakness at a time.
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YoshinJaa✭✭✭Set does fully proc with a single hit of Force Pulse and does apply 18% critical damage done from all sources on the target for 5 seconds. This includes stamina stuff not just the specific element. We have another debuff set folks.Edited by YoshinJaa on July 14, 2020 4:23AM10
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huhjun1978✭✭✭I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.0 -
MincVinyl✭✭✭✭✭How it reads there are three procs
deal fire damage....apply the fire stack.....causing the target to take 6% more crit damage
deal frost damage....apply the frost stack.....causing the target to take 6% more crit damage
deal shock damage....apply the shock stack.....causing the target to take 6% more crit damage
So doing force pulse i suppose should instantly apply all three procs and make the target take 18% more crit damage from all sources, assuming it is additive.Edited by MincVinyl on July 14, 2020 1:50AM0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.1 -
huhjun1978✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.
To simplify, there is no benefit for stam?0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.
To simplify, there is no benefit for stam?
Stam also benefit from the extra critical damage.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.
To simplify, there is no benefit for stam?
Stam also benefit from the extra critical damage.
Not only that, since stam tend to have higher crit chance, higher crit damage is actually better for stam than magicka.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I assumed the damage was only for that particular element.
18% critical damage overall (with 100% uptime) seems massive.
But it shouldn't be hard to test on the PTS, at least by people who actually have their add-ons working over there.0 -
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✭If you use Force Shock (Focus all the elemental energies with your staff and blast an enemy for 245 Flame Damage, 245 Cold Damage, and 245 Shock Damage.) will you get all three stacks at the same time?0 -
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✭✭✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »If you use Force Shock (Focus all the elemental energies with your staff and blast an enemy for 245 Flame Damage, 245 Cold Damage, and 245 Shock Damage.) will you get all three stacks at the same time?
Surely. That seems obvious even without testing.
The question is as to what the stacks actually do.
Paging @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, because this is the single most confusing tooltip I've noticed so far in the whole massive patch note writeup.0 -
RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.
I don't think Skeletal Arcanist would proc the set. It doesn't proc Ilambris or Elemental Succession. I can't test myself tho because I'm on XboxAdd a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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UntilValhalla13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's what I was asking. Since crushing shock/force pulse could apply all three bonus damage effects with one shot, with no apparent cooldowns between each element respectively, (having to wait 5 seconds for the shock to fall off to apply the fire part, etc.) it seems like a pretty tasty set. I just wanted clarification if that was actually the case. XD0 -
Calypso589✭✭✭Skeletal Arcanist does not procc the set.
The set is additive, it is an 18% increase to crit damage for everyone (6% per weakness).
We should all expect an adjustment on this set.
At the moment the theory is that a Magicka Necromander DD (perhaps healer but less effective) would run Catalyst with Master Architect.
17 seconds of Major slayer on top of the Major Vulnerability (1 second per 14 ulti, Colossus is 225 ult) and then you've paired that damage spike with the increased crit damage from Catalyst.
It would be DISGUSTING.
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✭✭✭✭✭huhjun1978 wrote: »huhjun1978 wrote: »I don't understand well about stack of each Elemental Weakness for Flame, Shock, Frost.
Do we need to deal Critical Elemental damage? Or just need to do any kind of crit damage? in order to get the buff 6% crit damage?
If it is general crit damage, Stam can have benefit, otherwise, it is not for stam.
From the description, no. It’s any damage of those elements to apply the debuffs, and any Crit Damage is increased against debuffed targets.
For example, if an enemy is in your Blockade of Storms, they get the Shock Weakness (they receive 6% more crit Damage from all attacks by players).
If you’re a Mag Necro and the enemy is in your Boneyard, Unstable Flame Wall, and getting hit by your skeletal arcanist, they’d be getting all three Weakness debuffs which is 18% Crit Damage taken.
That’s my understanding at least.
To simplify, there is no benefit for stam?
It would benefit all damage dealers. Your critical hits (of any damage type) will hit harder.
It just takes elemental damage to apply the debuff on the enemy. In an all Stam group I’d guess a healer would use it.
I’m basing it on the description though. I’m a console player
can’t test. Edited by Vaoh on July 14, 2020 5:07AM0 -
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✭✭I feel like the time frame should be reduced to 2 seconds. That way it would be a DD support set (after so many failed attempts - Zen, MK, RO) and healer couldn't use it without speccing hardly for it.Edited by Olupajmibanan on July 14, 2020 5:13AM0 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭I am currently testing this set on my mag warden. Ice aoe, lightning wall, and flame light attacks on front bar. Gets all three damage types, most in an aoe, and without having to use force pulse0 -
prkarlovSoul ShrivenOlupajmibanan wrote: »I feel like the time frame should be reduced to 2 seconds. That way it would be a DD support set (after so many failed attempts - Zen, MK, RO) and healer couldn't use it without speccing hardly for it.
A healer would not have to respec, just run crushing shock or force pulse in a flex spot. Probably on back bar with MK on Body.
+8 % dam and 18%crit dam.0 -
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✭✭✭✭set should allow only one proc per character using it.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
thadjarvis✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »set should allow only one proc per character using it.
Do you mean three DDs use it?
Edited by thadjarvis on July 18, 2020 5:11AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭thadjarvis wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »set should allow only one proc per character using it.
Do you mean three DDs use it?
Yeah i think it would be interesting that way.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
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✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I might be reading this wrong, but would this set not be really good for a healer using crushing shock ever 5 seconds for 18% more group crit damage? I'm on console, so I can't test it, but could it be a thing?
Elemental Catalyst (Light)
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 833 Spell Critical
4 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
5 – Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you apply a stack of Flame, Shock, or Frost Weakness to the enemy for 5 seconds. Each stack of an Elemental Weakness increases their Critical Damage taken by 6%. An enemy can only have one stack of each Elemental Weakness at a time.
Probably gonna get nerf before relased on live.
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✭✭✭✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I might be reading this wrong, but would this set not be really good for a healer using crushing shock ever 5 seconds for 18% more group crit damage? I'm on console, so I can't test it, but could it be a thing?
Elemental Catalyst (Light)
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 833 Spell Critical
4 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
5 – Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you apply a stack of Flame, Shock, or Frost Weakness to the enemy for 5 seconds. Each stack of an Elemental Weakness increases their Critical Damage taken by 6%. An enemy can only have one stack of each Elemental Weakness at a time.
Probably gonna get nerf before relased on live.
The bonus is way to strong right now.
Imo, it wouldn't be if it was split between 3 set users. It would make the set super cool.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
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✭✭✭Calypso589 wrote: »Skeletal Arcanist does not procc the set.
Well that's quite annoying. Sounds like a bug, it's lightning damage after all. Does Twilight proc it?EU | PC | AD0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You could put it on healer, but it might be quite taxing to keep up every 5 seconds for most healers and lead to occasional downtimes. Kinda like Z'en, if you want to maximise output you'd probably put it on a DD.
The natural choice will be magcros, since they do all 3 types of elemental damage as DoTs and are already a support DPS class. Magsorcs secondarily given that the dps loss from dropping Ele Weapon is minuscule and you will always have 2 elemental dots (fire and lightning) anyways, so you'll never fall below 2/3 stacks. Magwarden and magplar are kinda last resort. MagDKs will likely wear Z'en and magblades will be parsing class, so they're both out.EU | PC | AD0 -
Ventru7✭I think they should get rid of Force Pulse applying all the stacks but instead make the debuff longer so it is not tedious to cast it as a healer every 5 sec.Also this kind of debuff or big buff sets usually requires a specific build but you can put this to any healer and they can do the job fine which they shouldn't in my opionion. Zen/Martial Knowledge actually needs some effort to increase the uptime same with Roaring build which the set was nerfed the ground and dead now but we got this in the same patch instead, so weird.Edited by Ventru7 on July 19, 2020 11:17AM0
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Astrid✭✭✭✭✭*buff healer intensifies*
This wouldn’t actually be tedious to apply every 5 seconds at all. In comparison to Zens/MK/Roaring it would be a breeze for the sake of having Force Pulse on your backbar in comparison to the requirements of the other sets. The very short duration makes sense for how easy it is to apply.Edited by Astrid on July 20, 2020 2:58PM0 -
Ankaridan✭✭✭Balancing outcomes that I see foresee occurring on this set:
1. You will only be able to have one elemental active at a time - if you have Fire active, and deal Shock damage, Fire is deactivated (cooldown forgiving). This changes from a max of 18% to 6%.
2. The bonus only applies to that element: i.e. Fire stack only increases FIRE CRITICAL damage, not all critical damage. You could have all stacks simultaneously - +6% to all critical damage - but never gain more than 6%.
3. The lazy route: an increase to cooldown, like 12s, so it is no longer 100% uptime.0
