I kinda liked the new voice for Verandis? It needs some getting used to but I'm sure that it will bright up my new Rivenspire re-run along the way with some fresh tunes. It is different but I realize that mr. Gatt voiced too many characters already and after that uncomfortable moment with Neramo and Raynor Vanos being in the same room, being voiced by a single man, I can see where this is going... Can we get a name for VO by any chance? I think I've heard Matt Mercer.
Wow. I thought he had a different VO because of current constraints due to the pandemic (as I understand, voice actors can't get into studios right now and they don't all have an appropriate setup at home). If they changed his voice in Rivenspire that's quite the commitment, so it seems they want to keep using him. Interesting.Firstly, I really enjoyed the quest - I'm thrilled to have my favourite NPC back!
But there was one thing that really bothered me: Verandis' voice acting sounds very different now. Was this intentional? It sounds like a different voice actor entirely, it's deeper and less... warm?
Also, the map for Castle Grayhome is blank.
Edit: I just checked and his voice acting was changed all throughout Rivenspire too?? I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure I like this new voice (it's not the new VA's fault and I'm sure there's a good reason for it! It just doesn't sound like Verandis at all and gives him a bit of a different air to the last one. One of the reasons I liked Verandis was due to the original VA, so I'm curious as to why it's changed if that's possible to know?).
But there was one thing that really bothered me: Verandis' voice acting sounds very different now. Was this intentional? It sounds like a different voice actor entirely, it's deeper and less... warm?
Also, the map for Castle Grayhome is blank.
Edit: I just checked and his voice acting was changed all throughout Rivenspire too?? I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure I like this new voice (it's not the new VA's fault and I'm sure there's a good reason for it! It just doesn't sound like Verandis at all and gives him a bit of a different air to the last one. One of the reasons I liked Verandis was due to the original VA, so I'm curious as to why it's changed if that's possible to know?).
That's... not the quest I did. The ones I did were The Ravenwatch Inquiry and The Gray Council. Was there supposed to be a third one?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »This is the official feedback thread for the U28 prologue quest, A Gray Host Rises.[/list]
But there was one thing that really bothered me: Verandis' voice acting sounds very different now. Was this intentional? It sounds like a different voice actor entirely, it's deeper and less... warm?
Also, the map for Castle Grayhome is blank.
Edit: I just checked and his voice acting was changed all throughout Rivenspire too?? I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure I like this new voice (it's not the new VA's fault and I'm sure there's a good reason for it! It just doesn't sound like Verandis at all and gives him a bit of a different air to the last one. One of the reasons I liked Verandis was due to the original VA, so I'm curious as to why it's changed if that's possible to know?).
My guess is they couldn't get the original VA back, so rather than break continuity they revoiced his Rivenspire appearances too.
There are also strange redundancies that make it easy to forget about Greymoor entirely, like the existance of Grayhome - if the Gray Host has Greymoor Keep in Blackreach, why build another whole new secluded castle on an island
But there was one thing that really bothered me: Verandis' voice acting sounds very different now. Was this intentional? It sounds like a different voice actor entirely, it's deeper and less... warm?
Also, the map for Castle Grayhome is blank.
Edit: I just checked and his voice acting was changed all throughout Rivenspire too?? I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure I like this new voice (it's not the new VA's fault and I'm sure there's a good reason for it! It just doesn't sound like Verandis at all and gives him a bit of a different air to the last one. One of the reasons I liked Verandis was due to the original VA, so I'm curious as to why it's changed if that's possible to know?).
My guess is they couldn't get the original VA back, so rather than break continuity they revoiced his Rivenspire appearances too.
I've yet to make a fast-run of the few Rivenspire starting quests to see how new version of the same conversation sounds like, but given "tired Jesus" vibes his new backstory and VO give now, I wonder if it changed accordingly.
Well that's what I was saying, the "main story" could be omitted without much issue, and it seems redundant story-wise to have two huge spooky vampire castles in the year long story (3 with Castle Thorn), and from an in-universe perspective: Why would they invest so much into building Grayhome when they have Greymoor Keep? Or don't they? Greymoor Keep and its origins weren't that well explored, it's just said it was already there when the Dwemer came to Blackreach.There are also strange redundancies that make it easy to forget about Greymoor entirely, like the existance of Grayhome - if the Gray Host has Greymoor Keep in Blackreach, why build another whole new secluded castle on an island
Greymoor Castle is directly under Solitude which is important for the main story. It's also a huge gap in timeline in between those, as their original purpose.
I think you dropped a zero - shouldn't it be 1E 1029?Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 129.
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Well that's what I was saying, the "main story" could be omitted without much issue, and it seems redundant story-wise to have two huge spooky vampire castles in the year long story (3 with Castle Thorn), and from an in-universe perspective: Why would they invest so much into building Grayhome when they have Greymoor Keep? Or don't they? Greymoor Keep and its origins weren't that well explored, it's just said it was already there when the Dwemer came to Blackreach.There are also strange redundancies that make it easy to forget about Greymoor entirely, like the existance of Grayhome - if the Gray Host has Greymoor Keep in Blackreach, why build another whole new secluded castle on an island
Greymoor Castle is directly under Solitude which is important for the main story. It's also a huge gap in timeline in between those, as their original purpose.
But none of that is really an issue for the Prologue quest and the topic of this thread, so, whatever.I think you dropped a zero - shouldn't it be 1E 1029?Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 129.
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Regardless, you're absolutely right, no Mage's Guild around Hestra's rule or any point in the 1st era.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »This is the official feedback thread for the U28 prologue quest, A Gray Host Rises. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
- Did you have any trouble starting or completing the quest?
- Do you have any other general feedback?
Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 1029.
Please, edit this one!
Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 1029.
Please, edit this one!
RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: ».
Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 1029.
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I don't see a problem with this mention of "the Mages Guild" in that letter from the First Era. The only thing it implies is that there was some kind of establishment called a "Mages Guild" somewhere on Tamriel in that time, and that Rada-al-Saran and Verandis were both familiar enough with it to use the definite article to reference it.
Just because that vain *** Galerion claimed to have founded "The Mages Guild" in 2E 230, it doesn't mean there was never anything called a "mages guild" anywhere on Tamriel at any time before that. That would be an extraordinary assumption.
What I do find odd with Grayhome is that it was built on an island far beyond the northern coast of Tamriel. King Styrich of Verkarth was the leader of the Gray Host at that time, so why is he not gathering his forces in Verkarth? The Lore says that was where Hestra's forces encountered the Gray Host, at Verkarth.
And all this great ethical debate about peace with mortals. What's that all about? It's just the direct opposite of how vampires are supposed to behave. Whatever happened to brutality and domination? Verandis might be a bit of a snowflake, but why are any of the other Gray Host leaders even listening to him.
Actually, that's a fair assumption to make when Galerion's entire legacy is bringing magical services to the common man. Tamriel did not have mages guilds before he founded the first one on Summerset.RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »Just because that vain *** Galerion claimed to have founded "The Mages Guild" in 2E 230, it doesn't mean there was never anything called a "mages guild" anywhere on Tamriel at any time before that. That would be an extraordinary assumption.
Thevampirenight wrote: »RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: ».
Mages Guild was founded in 2E 230, while the letter itself must be dated around 1E 1029.
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I don't see a problem with this mention of "the Mages Guild" in that letter from the First Era. The only thing it implies is that there was some kind of establishment called a "Mages Guild" somewhere on Tamriel in that time, and that Rada-al-Saran and Verandis were both familiar enough with it to use the definite article to reference it.
Just because that vain *** Galerion claimed to have founded "The Mages Guild" in 2E 230, it doesn't mean there was never anything called a "mages guild" anywhere on Tamriel at any time before that. That would be an extraordinary assumption.
What I do find odd with Grayhome is that it was built on an island far beyond the northern coast of Tamriel. King Styrich of Verkarth was the leader of the Gray Host at that time, so why is he not gathering his forces in Verkarth? The Lore says that was where Hestra's forces encountered the Gray Host, at Verkarth.
And all this great ethical debate about peace with mortals. What's that all about? It's just the direct opposite of how vampires are supposed to behave. Whatever happened to brutality and domination? Verandis might be a bit of a snowflake, but why are any of the other Gray Host leaders even listening to him.
Agree about Gray Home. As for Verandis they were not really listening to him. The only reason why they tolerated him was because of Rada. But it seems like they might be retconing it so Rada was the actual leader of the Gray Host and the king was a member.
I didn't get to speak to the king in the prologue as I missed him. So I'm not sure on that exactly. But I do know from a screen shot he was there. Verandis was talking to him about this army he always wanted.
I liked the question over all. It was story driven instead of fetch quest driven, and drawing off the best of the base game storylines (Rivenspire) to boot. That made it the best prologue we've seen so far. It was interesting meeting as friendlies some of the characters from Greymoor, although it highlighted how poorly developed they were. I expect we'll meet some of the other faces again in Q4.
However, I'm confused on a couple of points (mentioned by other people above):
- Who is actually in charge? Rada or King Styriche? Rada certainly seemed in change, but King Styriche is, well, a king?
- What is the relationship between the Grey Council and the Grey Host?
My interpretation was that the Grey Council was a parent organization to the Grey Host, with Styriche the head of the Host but the Rada the head of the overall council. However, this point seemed needlessly murky.
Also, I haven't tried doing the quest on a character that hasn't completed the Rivenspire storyline, but I assume it would be incredibly confusing to do them in the reverse order. I'm fine with that (stories are better when they aren't forced into an arbitrary ordering) but it reinforces the need for some sort of global story guide for new players.
I haven't tried doing the quest on a character that hasn't completed the Rivenspire storyline, but I assume it would be incredibly confusing to do them in the reverse order. I'm fine with that (stories are better when they aren't forced into an arbitrary ordering) but it reinforces the need for some sort of global story guide for new players.
A little dialogue comment about the initial conversation with Gwendis - if you've done Rivenspire, Adusa-daro is in charge of the House. Gwendis says that the House is stretched thin so she's requesting outside aid, which is fine, but I'm confused as to why Adusa would be going to Elsweyr for moon sugar at a time like this?
I mean I assume that she needed to be out of the picture because she'd probably have put the pieces together much faster than Gwendis given she's known Verandis longer and would be less... dramatic? About sneaking around looking for answers. But that excuse was a little odd to me.