Why do people want to turn ESO into WOW?

idk

Nestor wrote: »

In every game forum, there are posts wanting Game X to be like Game Y.

Which is why developers, if they are smart, don't listen to most of these types of threads.

+1

Tigerseye

ToxicFireWolf wrote: »

most of ESO community hates your posts and would rather see the game die rather than having it slightly similar to WoW.

It's already a lot more than "slightly similar" to WoW, as they researched WoW and asked WoW players their opinions, while they were developing ESO.

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sirpz

ScardyFox wrote: »

Your post seems a bit dumb, to put it lightly. I have been playing ESO since beta, I have never played WoW and would like an AoE taunt and want an AH. If you think those are the things that threaten the game's uniqueness, you are in for a rude awakening as the game becomes more and more homogenized.


lul....

AoE taunts would just take out a large chunk of skill when it comes to tanking. I don't want this game to have WoW tanks that run into a room just to sit there and taunt everything. That also leads to worse DPS who rely even heavier on the tank so nobody outside of vet trial runners would know how to survive properly.

and AH would ruin the economy and make individual guild traders worthless which I think is an interesting feature compared to other MMOs, whether or not its a waste of a guild slot to some people.

In my experience the people who want most of these changes are just bad at the game and want the game to adapt to them.

Tigerseye

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

WoW is a totally childish game and really wonder why so many people have it as some sort of a great example every developer should follow.

Please let ESO be ESO.

The only thing, arguably, more childish about WoW is its (now) cartoonish graphics.

They used to be more painterly, but then they went full-on cartoon, for some reason.

Other than that, they're both fairly childish, frankly.

idk

Tigerseye wrote: »

ToxicFireWolf wrote: »

most of ESO community hates your posts and would rather see the game die rather than having it slightly similar to WoW.

It's already a lot more than "slightly similar" to WoW, as they researched WoW and asked WoW players their opinions, while they were developing ESO.

*grabs popcorn*

Yeah...

I would suggest the game is similar to WoW only in that it is a theme park MMORPG design. The graphics and storytelling are made to significantly higher quality and combat is another area where ESO is set apart from WoW in a very good way.

If they tried to make it like WoW they failed as people went back to WoW with the update last year. In the end they came back to ESO. We see this with the Steam Chart numbers as those months were the only months where ESO had fewer average players than the same months the year before.

Tigerseye

Sanctum74 wrote: »

As much as I don’t like Wow, i have no problem with people suggesting ideas. My only problem is when they spam the same thread with dozens of posts, insulting anyone that disagrees with them, and trying to push their opinions off as facts.

I mostly see people on the "Change nothing ever." side being rude, or rude first.

Destai

There's a lot of people who played WoW as their first MMORPG experience and remember its QoL fondly. Eventually those players move on and come here, doing natural comparisons. WoW's an incredibly mature and polished game. My experience was really positive, it teaches you concepts well and the animations are beautifully done. The overhaul a few years back did it justice. There's a lot of good ideas and polish in WoW that could at the very least inspire some features in ESO.

Objectively, ESO does some things better though. WoW would release awesome features like Garrisons that would be obsolete when the next expansion drops. ESO focuses more on horizontal progressions and new systems tend to enhance existing content. There'll always be the new shiny, but I think ESO handles balancing that well. One Tamriel and Tamriel United were incredibly smart decisions and gave this game a lot of longevity.

There are a lot of systems that are stubbornly still in this game - horse leveling and research time to name a few - that should be re-evaluated. I can see the appeal behind the guild system, but not being to search price globally in game is not a good thing. Most MMOs have global auction houses, so it's not just WoW.

ToxicFireWolf

vibeborn wrote: »

I've been wanting an AOE taunt ever since someone whispered to me that I should use one.
Never in a million years does that equal to me wanting to play WOW.

And even if ESO are taking ideas from WOW, so what? What's wrong with being inspired when it comes to features?

AoE tanking would be [snip], you would have idiots go in a room use aoe taunt and sit doing nothnig, if that is tanking to you plz dont tank.

its not that eso takes ideas from wow, its that people who came from wow want to change major parts of the game just because its not like wow.

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ToxicFireWolf

Destai wrote: »

There's a lot of people who played WoW as their first MMORPG experience and remember its QoL fondly. Eventually those players move on and come here, doing natural comparisons. WoW's an incredibly mature and polished game. My experience was really positive, it teaches you concepts well and the animations are beautifully done. The overhaul a few years back did it justice. There's a lot of good ideas and polish in WoW that could at the very least inspire some features in ESO.

Objectively, ESO does some things better though. WoW would release awesome features like Garrisons that would be obsolete when the next expansion drops. ESO focuses more on horizontal progressions and new systems tend to enhance existing content. There'll always be the new shiny, but I think ESO handles balancing that well. One Tamriel and Tamriel United were incredibly smart decisions and gave this game a lot of longevity.

There are a lot of systems that are stubbornly still in this game - horse leveling and research time to name a few - that should be re-evaluated. I can see the appeal behind the guild system, but not being to search price globally in game is not a good thing. Most MMOs have global auction houses, so it's not just WoW.

and like i said in other replies, you insert any generic mmo instead of wow, and it would barely change a thing i said, the reason why i said wow is bc majority of people who want these changes are refugees coming from wow after bfa release

Taunky

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

idk

Taunky wrote: »

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

I would rather players learn how to tank. All but the newest ones have been tanked enough times without an AoE taunt that we know for a fact one is not needed.

BTW, players enjoy tanking. We do not have a shortage of tanks. Most decent tanks avoid the GF to many experiences with unskilled dps.

TequilaFire

You want an AoE taunt?
Just bunny hop in front of an enemy keep in cyro, lol

asalemi

Cause this game is a garbage bin performance wise

Destai

ToxicFireWolf wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

There's a lot of people who played WoW as their first MMORPG experience and remember its QoL fondly. Eventually those players move on and come here, doing natural comparisons. WoW's an incredibly mature and polished game. My experience was really positive, it teaches you concepts well and the animations are beautifully done. The overhaul a few years back did it justice. There's a lot of good ideas and polish in WoW that could at the very least inspire some features in ESO.

Objectively, ESO does some things better though. WoW would release awesome features like Garrisons that would be obsolete when the next expansion drops. ESO focuses more on horizontal progressions and new systems tend to enhance existing content. There'll always be the new shiny, but I think ESO handles balancing that well. One Tamriel and Tamriel United were incredibly smart decisions and gave this game a lot of longevity.

There are a lot of systems that are stubbornly still in this game - horse leveling and research time to name a few - that should be re-evaluated. I can see the appeal behind the guild system, but not being to search price globally in game is not a good thing. Most MMOs have global auction houses, so it's not just WoW.

and like i said in other replies, you insert any generic mmo instead of wow, and it would barely change a thing i said, the reason why i said wow is bc majority of people who want these changes are refugees coming from wow after bfa release

Well, I think there's a difference between homogenized games and adhering to industry standards. I'm indifferent towards the AH, but there's still some changes they could do to make the game more polished. The way I view it is, if there's add-ons handling something, that's a missed feature. I think there's a way to approach it without copying WoW. Sort of like the level scaling they did - it's not copied from GW2 but certainly influenced by it.

Tandor

The fact that some players, including among the two-thirds of the playerbase who are denied access to add-ons, would prefer to drop the present guild-restricted trading system for the alternative system (which I don't refer to as an auction house in order to avoid confusion with the present system which is itself based on auctions albeit those are only conducted between a small number of GMs) adopted as the traditional core trading system in most if not all other MMORPGs does not mean they want it because WoW has it. It goes far beyond that. They want it because in their experience it works in every other MMORPG they've played.

Agenericname

Taunky wrote: »

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

Or because tanks do not want to PUG. An AOE taunt wouldn't solve the issues that keep tanks out of the GF.

idk

Agenericname wrote: »

Taunky wrote: »

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

Or because tanks do not want to PUG. An AOE taunt wouldn't solve the issues that keep tanks out of the GF.

This is correct. I know many tanks and all avoid the GF because of poor experiences with low dps and oblivious to the mechanics. We get into groups from our guilds and avoid these problems. I am speaking from experience as a player that used to queue solo as a tank to help the GF but got tired of failed groups.

An AoE taunt will not fix the other players.

Thechuckage

Taunky wrote: »

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

AoE taunting would make tanking worse / less engaging.

idk

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that some players, including among the two-thirds of the playerbase who are denied access to add-ons, would prefer to drop the present guild-restricted trading system for the alternative system (which I don't refer to as an auction house in order to avoid confusion with the present system which is itself based on auctions albeit those are only conducted between a small number of GMs) adopted as the traditional core trading system in most if not all other MMORPGs does not mean they want it because WoW has it. It goes far beyond that. They want it because in their experience it works in every other MMORPG they've played.

True, but applying this logic to the discussion here about AoE taunts shows how it fails because in most of those games they had cooldowns on the use of skills so they could not use their single-target taunt for a short time. ESO does not have these skill CDs and instead uses resources management. A tank can taunt multiple targets with the current skill available. Thousands of tanks have already proven AoE taunts are not needed to tank in ESO. So while my comment does not apply directly to the trading system, it does apply to to the logic used.

Thechuckage

Agenericname wrote: »

Taunky wrote: »

AOE taunting should be a thing though. Queues take forever because nobody wants to tank in this game.

Or because tanks do not want to PUG. An AOE taunt wouldn't solve the issues that keep tanks out of the GF.

I think it would exacerbate the worst problems of the PuG dungeon experience. The "leet player" who rushes ahead to grab stuff would be more upset if the tank got overwhelmed / or would try to pull as much as possible if the tank DOES survive.

Do NOT want to play as a combo walking aggro post and perma-block machine.

Tandor

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that some players, including among the two-thirds of the playerbase who are denied access to add-ons, would prefer to drop the present guild-restricted trading system for the alternative system (which I don't refer to as an auction house in order to avoid confusion with the present system which is itself based on auctions albeit those are only conducted between a small number of GMs) adopted as the traditional core trading system in most if not all other MMORPGs does not mean they want it because WoW has it. It goes far beyond that. They want it because in their experience it works in every other MMORPG they've played.

True, but the logic fails because in most of those games they had cooldowns on the use of skills. ESO does not. A tank can taunt multiple targets with the current skill available. Thousands of tanks have already proven AoE taunts are not needed to tank in ESO.

And that has what to do with the trading system exactly?

Did you quote the wrong comment?

Ratinira

Dont like WoW, tried the free low lvl part but there was no interrest to continue...

The only thing I really miss from other MMOs is dialogue system from SWTOR. With all its mini-cinematics in 99% of quests, voised character, choises, sides ets. Much-much more immersive then eso.
And personal locations.
And companions.

Hmm, and dungeon solo story mode, maybe.

Other parts are mostly fine

idk

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Tandor wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that some players, including among the two-thirds of the playerbase who are denied access to add-ons, would prefer to drop the present guild-restricted trading system for the alternative system (which I don't refer to as an auction house in order to avoid confusion with the present system which is itself based on auctions albeit those are only conducted between a small number of GMs) adopted as the traditional core trading system in most if not all other MMORPGs does not mean they want it because WoW has it. It goes far beyond that. They want it because in their experience it works in every other MMORPG they've played.

True, but the logic fails because in most of those games they had cooldowns on the use of skills. ESO does not. A tank can taunt multiple targets with the current skill available. Thousands of tanks have already proven AoE taunts are not needed to tank in ESO.

And that has what to do with the trading system exactly?

Did you quote the wrong comment?

I missed noting I was applying the "logic" to the line of discussion here about the AoE taunts to demonstrate how it is not a very sound argument. My bad for the confusion but thx for bringing this up so I can clarify it.

idk

Ratinira wrote: »

Dont like WoW, tried the free low lvl part but there was no interrest to continue...

The only thing I really miss from other MMOs is dialogue system from SWTOR. With all its mini-cinematics in 99% of quests, voised character, choises, sides ets. Much-much more immersive then eso.
And personal locations.
And companions.

Hmm, and dungeon solo story mode, maybe.

Other parts are mostly fine

I concur. I did not like the combat, graphics, or storytelling in WoW. I do not enjoy playing low budget games that do little to no voice over. SWTOR with the degree of voice-overs and cinematics was a significant step up. However, I like how ESO has taken that up a notch with even better graphics (less cartoonish) and improved combat design.

NewBlacksmurf

People often want good experience from other games in their next new game too.

The other part is this developer has changed A LOT so now people feel that any squeaky wheel gets attention

Nomadic_Atmoran

Sorry to break it to you OP. But ESO originally ripped WoW off heavily in their alpha state. Every MMO developer out there wants their game to be the next WoW and they aren't above ripping it off if that means success for them.


Players asking for things that are staples in modern MMOs is not "making X into WoW'. Simply expecting the game to function in a manner that is player friendly with ease of use. WoW didnt invent the concept of an AH and it surely wasnt the last one to implement one.

PizzaCat82

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So the whole post then? No one here's trying to turn this game into WOW and the OP is just using random threads that are valid to justify a new thread instead of posting in those threads.

If your main objection to a suggestion to make the game better is "then the game will turn into WOW" then you really don't have much of an objection.

idk

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

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So the whole post then? No one here's trying to turn this game into WOW and the OP is just using random threads that are valid to justify a new thread instead of posting in those threads.

If your main objection to a suggestion to make the game better is "then the game will turn into WOW" then you really don't have much of an objection.

I do not think people are against making the game better. Granted, what is better is something we may not agree on.

I think the premise was why are people suggesting changes for things as they are seen in WoW (or FF14/SWTOR, etc.) regardless of their virtues. The answer is probably more in line with where their comfort zone is. Take the AoE taunt for example. Tanks from those games that have an AoE taunt are used to it so they want it to make life easier for them. They do not take into consideration the differences between the games or why such a thing is not needed, they just want it likely because they are used to it.

Knightpanther

All games take the best bits from successful games, they need to keep folks happy.

I would love an area effect taunt and an auction house but shock/horror WOW didn't invent them either.

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Banana

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