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Radiant Mounts....
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sargesgaming wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »are radiants excluded from the pool once you got them or could you get double?
You can and will get doubles at times, happened with me last month with the radiant horse ...
oh damn i thought the 3 radiants were excluded from doubles due to their nature0 -
Sargesgaming✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Sargesgaming wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »are radiants excluded from the pool once you got them or could you get double?
You can and will get doubles at times, happened with me last month with the radiant horse ...
oh damn i thought the 3 radiants were excluded from doubles due to their nature
They def should be thats a fact, but no just like everything else you can get them more than once and that is some of the worst things that could happen when you are already fighting the rate in which they drop, now you have to worry about getting the same one twice just to have it turn into gems....what I would do if that did happen is record what happened, then send a ticket asking them to take the gems they gave you for that duplicate and instead of a duplicate just give you one of the other radiants... but thats all what happens in that ticket from there.0 -
WhisperLFE✭✭✭You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.0 -
Sargesgaming✭✭✭WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
They shouldnt be but def are. As far as buying directly could be a thing as "buying their way to success" isnt a case here as it has nothing to do with success, and as far as gambling argued to not be gambling because you dont get the jackpot, then you could argue the same in a casino when you put $200 in the machine and win 50 cents... its not the prize you are looking for but it is a prize..... SMH40 -
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✭✭✭Dude your OPs are nothing about discussion, you literally were complaining about not getting the Mounts you wanted after 1k dollars. You went as far as to ping Gina asking for a statement about what she would say to people spending money on RNG not getting something they wanted because of RNG. You can try to backpedal and claim you were just "opening a discussion" after people pointed out this was all on you and you were due no "statement" or anything from anyone at ZOS because of your decision to spend that much money, but if that was the case you would have worded your posts differently rather than making it sound like it's ZOS' fault you decided to spend that much.
If money isn't a problem for you and you claim you'll spend another 1k and "get your Mounts" then why did you bother making the thread to begin with? People don't make threads like these over something that doesn't bother them. People don't ask devs or other members of a company to make statements after they don't get something they'd like if aren't bothered by not getting it.
Also if even after 1k dollars and only 1 Radiant Apex you're claiming that you'll "get your Mounts", then I honestly feel like you don't quite get the idea behind RNG. You could spend 5k and get none of them, you could spend 500 and get them all. That's how chance and RNG work, there is no guarantee of getting something regardless of how much or how little you spend. You're clearly going into this expecting to get the outcome you want if you throw enough cash at it, but that isn't how RNG works, and you're only going to end up disappointed if you don't get everything you want because you have a certain idea that odds will work differently if you spend enough. I mean hey it's your money spend it however you want, but just don't expect different results because of the amount.
And for the others claiming that "oh Crown Crates are bad" you'll notice in my first post that I said i would be perfectly fine if Crates were removed and the items in them made directly purchasable. I've told several of my friends this should be the case, especially with this round of Crates making certain things more expensive than they tend to be (like 40g Body Markings and 100g Mementos that would typically be 16g and 40g respectively).
However, unless that day actually comes, people should certainly be held accountable for their actions, to some extent. Excusing a person for doing something because they may or may not have a problem doesn't mean they should be absolved of all responsibility. When you make blanket excuses for people doing things it removes accountability and instead of helping that person you can end up instead encouraging them to keep doing what they're doing. Things like this need to be looked at on a case by case level, rather than for people to make the same assumption every time this topic comes up.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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I don't know, what do Casinos tell a customer who has paid $1000 on gambling and didn't receive the jackpot that he/she wanted?Sargesgaming wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno What would you tell a customer who has paid close to $1000 on crown crates and did not recieve the item that he/she wanted? Might be a better way to do business and keep loyal customers wouldnt you say?
But, but.. These (companies) claim its NOT gambling..0 -
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You can buy everything with gems you get from crates except radiant apex which are a bonus card only item.
Now I will readily admit that everything in the Crown Crates should be available to buy straight out with Crowns, so people who want specific things can just buy them outright, even if they're grossly expensive (like a lot of the Houses that have been released and are 100 bucks).Grianasteri wrote: »Gambling mechanics in computer games needs to end.
To anyone saying, just don't buy them, you are totally missing the point, or points actually. Gambling in computer games is wrong, why would your answer be just don't use them, instead of remove them?
People have to understand how human psychology works, its not an answer to just say don't use them, that isn't how psychology works for some people. Different people react to and engage with coercion and marketing/advertising differently, sadly a lot of people cant help themselves. Add to this compunctions to collect, to have the best this or that, to show off in peer pressured environments etc.
This is very much an issue of ethics and fairness.
That said, if all gambling mechanics were, say, one quarter of the price, the issue would not be so pronounced, but the Crown store items are for the most part drastically over priced. I mean, 3k for a mount? Seriously, 3k for some pixes. No, its shameful that any computer game company thinks that is ok, never even mind the gambling mechanics also present.
Rant ends.
Because its not my responsibility nor problem nor is it ZOSes that someone cannot control themselves. I am addicted to chocolate, therefore all the grocery stores need to remove chocolate from their shelves. My wife is addicted to wine therefore all the stores need to remove wine from their shelves. Its not true but its the same thing. Why should i expect the store to remove an item they use as revenue and other shoppers to go without just to accommodate my personal issues?
Its the same thing with crates. I dont have a gambling problem. I can walk in a casino with $5k in cash do poorly and still walk out with $4700, 4 hours later with zero remorse. I understand that unless i spend a stupid amount of money on crates im not going to get any radiant apex mounts. I dont care. I will buy a few crates here and there with crowns just for fun on occasion. Why should i suffer because someone else cant control themselves? Please tell me how that is MY problem?
People complain about having to pay a sub to play video games. Its bloody 50 cents a day. If you can afford a computer that can run the game and an internet connection you can afford 50 cents a day. BUT, game companies try to accommodate players so they make a sub optional but they have to make money to keep the lights turned on. Running an MMO has a huge ongoing monthly cost. So they come up with things like $150 houses and crown crates, [snip].
This is what you get. You either get a forced sub model OR you get break the bank housing/crown crates/buy your own craft bag. They tried the sub, we said no thank you. So have a crown crate and a $150 house that only has enough slots to decorate the foyer on.
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[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 1, 2020 2:03PM0 -
Hanokihs✭✭✭✭✭Based on past threads (and reddit posts), $1000 in crowns is about what most people end up spending to get a radiant mount, so there's really no need for this "discussion" at all. It's been discussed to death already."I haven't really played much yet, but lemme tell you all about how the game should include X and be a lot more like Y!" - Half the posters on this forum."I've been here for years, and lemme tell you all about how they should never change or evolve Z, because then the game would be ruined forever." - The other half of posters on this forum.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Luck with crates - yep, some of us do get lucky. Having been relatively lucky all along, I do buy 4 every once in a while. So I picked up 4 yesterday on my main account NA. Got a goat pet (hate goats), the usual bunch of pots/poisons to turn into gems, some cosmetics - and a Sweetroll. Total gems: 416 - so I also picked up the Tuwhacca's Sphinx Cat pet.
When a mount comes along I REALLY want, I'm set. Those gems will sit there until it's a mount I can't pass up.0 -
ATomiX69✭✭✭✭Unless you bought the crowns on discount, grats on spending 1.2k usd on crown crates for a few pixels that you cant even resell.
I also used to care about pixels and I had a few CSGO skins worth around 2k but gladly I managed to resell them and even make a profit with it.
Still think its a complete joke that loot boxes are allowed, its literally gambling that is somehow allowed even for underage people and it isnt as heavily regulated and controled as real-life gambling/casinos are.
Gotta love surprise mechanics.smurf account
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Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭
I don't know, what do Casinos tell a customer who has paid $1000 on gambling and didn't receive the jackpot that he/she wanted?Sargesgaming wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno What would you tell a customer who has paid close to $1000 on crown crates and did not recieve the item that he/she wanted? Might be a better way to do business and keep loyal customers wouldnt you say?
They would say are regulated by the law as well as approved to operate. So I'm sure ESO has its gambling license...0 -
Sargesgaming✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »This makes me getting a Radiant Mount in a FREE crate even better
*** ya dude! For real?!0 -
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I don't know, what do Casinos tell a customer who has paid $1000 on gambling and didn't receive the jackpot that he/she wanted?Sargesgaming wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno What would you tell a customer who has paid close to $1000 on crown crates and did not recieve the item that he/she wanted? Might be a better way to do business and keep loyal customers wouldnt you say?
When you go to a casino, you are spending money to make money. When you purchase crown crates, you are spending money to get a cool mount for your game avatar that cannot be obtained any other way. It is still a form of gambling, but that comparison is horrible.
Zos should stop selling these horrible crates and actually put all of these beautiful mounts IN THE GAME. Players might actually be incentivized to play the game if theres something to work for.1 -
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✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »This makes me getting a Radiant Mount in a FREE crate even better
I got 2 Radiants (not the one I wanted, of course) from 60 crates I bought with gold. I've also gotten one from 15 crates before. Some people do get lucky, but the joy from that luck wanes quickly when you worry that you're inspiring other people to try their luck and be disappointed.1 -
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✭Sargesgaming wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno What would you tell a customer who has paid close to $1000 on crown crates and did not recieve the item that he/she wanted? Might be a better way to do business and keep loyal customers wouldnt you say?
Wow. I had no idea people spent that much money on a digital item. Congrats on having so much extra spending money. Better luck next time on the RNG.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...1 -
Sargesgaming✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...
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madman65✭✭✭✭First and last time I will spend on Apex crates, ESO is wanting to make money on players. Apex Sabre Cat is just as plain as the Sorrel horse except for the appearance, ESO fooled me once they will not fool me twice.0 -
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✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...
except that is not true... if you have ever been to a casino, you know you can hang out in the casino and never spend any money AND get free drinks and food. No purchase necessary. When you buy a crown rate you are buying 4 item cards that will give you a 100% chance of a white, green, or blue reward and smaller chances at other items. You may trade these items for gems which you can then use to purchase any of the rewards in the crate but radiant apex which only drop from a 5th card which you did not purchase.
Its not gambling if you "always win". It doesnt matter how you spin it . Always win= not gambling.0 -
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Gambling applies to this too. For example if Casinos start giving away a worthless piece of candy (that nobody wants to eat anyway) with each purchase, so that you're technically guaranteed to win something, it would still be gambling.Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not gambling if you "always win". It doesnt matter how you spin it . Always win= not gambling.Nemesis7884 wrote: »
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
That's what 75% of Crate fillers are: useless things that nobody would buy anyway. You're gambling with your money hoping that the RNG gods spit out a Radiant Apex, so all the dye stamps and potions don't mean it's not gambling. Legally it might fall under a different loophole ('surprise mechanics' lol), but the sense of the word gambling very much applies here too.0 -
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Gambling applies to this too. For example if Casinos start giving away a worthless piece of candy (that nobody wants to eat anyway) with each purchase, so that you're technically guaranteed to win something, it would still be gambling.Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not gambling if you "always win". It doesnt matter how you spin it . Always win= not gambling.Nemesis7884 wrote: »
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
That's what 75% of Crate fillers are: useless things that nobody would buy anyway. You're gambling with your money hoping that the RNG gods spit out a Radiant Apex, so all the dye stamps and potions don't mean it's not gambling. Legally it might fall under a different loophole ('surprise mechanics' lol), but the sense of the word gambling very much applies here too.
The legal definition of gambling, which is the ONLY one that matters in any context like this does not fit crown crates. By your definition going to the car dealer to buy a new car is gambling. I go in and apply for a loan to get that $80k sports car i saw in the showroom. The salesman came back and said i only qualify for $20k loan for the compact economy car that looks like something that comes in a box at walmart. By your definition that is gambling because i didnt get my desired item. I can do this all day with any product.
The fact is when you buy a crown crate you pay for 4 items drawn randomly out of a pool. All of those items are available for gems which you get from unwanted items from those 4 cards. So
Step 1: flip 4 cards
Step 2: get items
Step 3: convert unwanted items to gems
Step 4: use gems to buy desired items
Step 5: #itsnotgambling
Saying " well people only buy the crown crates for the radiant apex" is very much false. I actually know very few people who care about those radiant apex and most i know will often want a legendary or lower reward from the crates. For some reason the adornments and such are really popular with people.0 -
Sargesgaming✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »
Gambling applies to this too. For example if Casinos start giving away a worthless piece of candy (that nobody wants to eat anyway) with each purchase, so that you're technically guaranteed to win something, it would still be gambling.Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not gambling if you "always win". It doesnt matter how you spin it . Always win= not gambling.Nemesis7884 wrote: »
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
That's what 75% of Crate fillers are: useless things that nobody would buy anyway. You're gambling with your money hoping that the RNG gods spit out a Radiant Apex, so all the dye stamps and potions don't mean it's not gambling. Legally it might fall under a different loophole ('surprise mechanics' lol), but the sense of the word gambling very much applies here too.
The legal definition of gambling, which is the ONLY one that matters in any context like this does not fit crown crates. By your definition going to the car dealer to buy a new car is gambling. I go in and apply for a loan to get that $80k sports car i saw in the showroom. The salesman came back and said i only qualify for $20k loan for the compact economy car that looks like something that comes in a box at walmart. By your definition that is gambling because i didnt get my desired item. I can do this all day with any product.
The fact is when you buy a crown crate you pay for 4 items drawn randomly out of a pool. All of those items are available for gems which you get from unwanted items from those 4 cards. So
Step 1: flip 4 cards
Step 2: get items
Step 3: convert unwanted items to gems
Step 4: use gems to buy desired items
Step 5: #itsnotgambling
Saying " well people only buy the crown crates for the radiant apex" is very much false. I actually know very few people who care about those radiant apex and most i know will often want a legendary or lower reward from the crates. For some reason the adornments and such are really popular with people.
It really isnt the legal definition and not the only one that matters, so much so that it has been defined in countries and states instituting bills into affect and BANNING these types of games that have "lotto" type of "loot boxes\crates" within from the entire country for sales. In fact there is an entire FBI website dedicated to reporting, storing, and divulging of information upon this type of illegal activity. I can get you the link if you like?1 -
axan22✭✭✭Gems were great but they need to maybe put a gem price on these too even if it was 600, RNG does really suck and i buy around 45 of each crate that comes out, and only have 2 maybe 3 radiants i think from all the boxes.0
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The legal definition matters in the context of 'why is this not banned in every country'.Anotherone773 wrote: »
The legal definition of gambling, which is the ONLY one that matters in any context like this does not fit crown crates. By your definition going to the car dealer to buy a new car is gambling. I go in and apply for a loan to get that $80k sports car i saw in the showroom. The salesman came back and said i only qualify for $20k loan for the compact economy car that looks like something that comes in a box at walmart. By your definition that is gambling because i didnt get my desired item. I can do this all day with any product.
Gambling applies to this too. For example if Casinos start giving away a worthless piece of candy (that nobody wants to eat anyway) with each purchase, so that you're technically guaranteed to win something, it would still be gambling.Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not gambling if you "always win". It doesnt matter how you spin it . Always win= not gambling.Nemesis7884 wrote: »
casinos could make the same argument that you are getting free drinks and food...WhisperLFE wrote: »You could make the argument that it's not gambling because ultimately, there's no true risk of losing. You may be looking for a particular outcome, but no matter what happens, you're going to get something from the crates. Sort of like baseball cards. You may not get the card you're looking for when you buy a pack, but you're going to get X number of cards regardless.
Personally, I'm fine with the rare drop rate and the inability to buy the mounts outright. It's what makes them valuable. A rare instance in which a person can't just immediately and with true certainty buy their way to success. I do think duplicate radiant mounts shouldn't be possible, though.
That's what 75% of Crate fillers are: useless things that nobody would buy anyway. You're gambling with your money hoping that the RNG gods spit out a Radiant Apex, so all the dye stamps and potions don't mean it's not gambling. Legally it might fall under a different loophole ('surprise mechanics' lol), but the sense of the word gambling very much applies here too.
The fact is when you buy a crown crate you pay for 4 items drawn randomly out of a pool. All of those items are available for gems which you get from unwanted items from those 4 cards.
The general definition of gambling matters in the context of OP's post - they spent $1000 to get an Apex and didn't.
Gambling can be:
- play games of chance for money; bet. "he gambles on football"
- bet (a sum of money). "they gambled their money on cards"
- take risky action in the hope of a desired result. "he was gambling on the success of his satellite TV channel"
Your example doesn't mean gambling at all by my, or any definiton. You have to agree to get the car that was suggested for you. It's only gambling if you go to a dealership in the hopes of getting a random Ferrari, and for 20k they give you a random car (like a Hot Wheels toy). You're still gambling, even if you're guaranteed to get a consolation prize. Maybe not legally, but in all other senses of the word.
OP gambled his money away on the chance that he might get a Radiant Apex. That's the item this post is about, not random stuff you can get for Gems. They played a game of chance with RNG and lost. It happens.0 -
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✭✭Now imagine that could earn a mount of that caliber through high quality game-play that is fun and rewarding.
Gamble crates is what is wrong with ESO and the gaming industry. Gambling takes the "play" out of "game-play" and preys upon the vulnerable fans of a long-established franchise. There is already a subscription and a cash shop service which should, by today's standards, more than pay for upkeep and staffing of any successful MMO. A company which does not cover those costs in the subscription and cash shop alone is setting themselves up for failure.
Let's also not forget their promise to only have cosmetic purchases in the clown store, yes? We now have several "service tokens" which have no gold equivalent, inventory upgrades with no gold alternatives, skill-line unlocks with no gold alternative... You see the picture yet? It won't be long until they monetize Antiquites as well so you can purchase a randomized set of antiquities leads for 5000 clowns with terrible RNG.2 -
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✭People do realize can't buy radiants with gems right? That is the gamble...Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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✭✭✭✭✭Kalik_Gold wrote: »People do realize can't buy radiants with gems right? That is the gamble...
Well, I do. Don't know about everyone else. I'm one of those that has zero use for the radiant mounts anyway.0
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