nerfs are needed again, yes in pvp

Kalik_Gold · June 2020

Stop asking for nerfs.

Zos leave the balance the same and going forward introduce new sets and skills to compensate. Leave the core alone for awhile.

PvP seems to be in a good state. Except for performance and people may complain about healing. Already gave them free Crit resist to be able to customize their builds.

Work on performance in the meantime. - thanks

relentless_turnip · June 2020

The only thing that needs nerfing is misguided opinions. Anyone who wants the game to change instead of learning how to play it, is never going to get better.

I play most classes, some better than others. I believe all of them are in a good place with a few in a better place due to the sets available. None are so far ahead that they need nerfing. You probably just need to invest more into survival. You should ask for help way before nerfs. I have a great guild to bounce ideas off, duel etc... Ask on here as well people are happy to help!

Vevvev · June 2020

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

BUFF MAGDK

I can totally get behind this!!!

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validifyedneb18_ESO · June 2020

Snipe spammers only exist in low MMR and are typically pretty bad players.

I switched over to NA recently so havent played on a geared character, only a 1-set andy magplar I have no idea how to play, but I did notice the 2h guys running around able to deliver scary amounts of burst. I die instantly with my 20k resistances, 18% damage reduction, 1.5k heals per second and 20k health. Seems pretty bonkers but im in no great state to make a direct comparison to old metas atm.

Sergykid · June 2020

many of you clearly did not encounter those people. They don't have a defense counter. The damage is so high that not even on a tank character you can't survive. Resisting the damage is out of the way. Now you can only avoid damage, surviving damage is out of discussion. Numbers are high and unresistable, it's just a one shotting fiesta every BG.

Wuuffyy · June 2020

Here we go. Malacaths if fine and is great that it is adverse to very popular crit stacking damage builds. I have been finding that player skill even with Malacaths is still a big factor.

Wuuffyy · June 2020

PeterUnlustig wrote: »

The healing nerf was just to much. Battlespirit should be 45% healing not 40% healing. Also malacath should only give 15%. But Zenimax will never do that, because they dont ever learn from overnerfs/overbuffs, they just full on backpaddle in the other direction making stuff OP that was completly useless or making stuff completly useless that was OP

Lol. It should’ve been more than that! Haha! You can finally kill people again! So exciting!

Wuuffyy · June 2020

Sergykid wrote: »

damage is out of control, one shotting is worse than ever. It was a good direction with the nerfs this patch brought when tanks were out of control, but now damage is absurd. 5k dizzys 7k snipes and that on a capped (and a bit over) resistances tank that applies maim on the enemies. The newly added sets over the last period together with the new p2w item Malacath's Band of Brutality have made surviving quite difficult if not impossible.

you have added base crit resist and the Critical Riposte set (which is very weak btw, tested it) and then added that mythic item which takes out crits from one's damage output and can be paired together with Unchained Aggressor for impossible bursts (Essence Thief is also a busted set but currently is quite underestimated).
And i won't talk about the Draugrkin's Grip that is so strong in pvp that even stamina users use it for Bloodthirst spam with multiple dots on the target, i got melted while blocking on my full tank, from poisons bleeds and status effects which all and each one proc from the set without any limitations or cooldown between ticks.

there are more examples but i think the idea is clear. I obviously talk about no cp pvp. In cp pvp there's full of clowns both for damage and tanking, so no arguments here.

^^^

The fact that this guy (OP), on a very critical location as the actual forums for the game. Has 2 agrees with 1.2 views, should show ZOS that this guy’s opinions DO NOT SYNC with what the majority believe about anything he has said.

Thank you! That is all for today!

Sergykid · June 2020

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

damage is out of control, one shotting is worse than ever. It was a good direction with the nerfs this patch brought when tanks were out of control, but now damage is absurd. 5k dizzys 7k snipes and that on a capped (and a bit over) resistances tank that applies maim on the enemies. The newly added sets over the last period together with the new p2w item Malacath's Band of Brutality have made surviving quite difficult if not impossible.

you have added base crit resist and the Critical Riposte set (which is very weak btw, tested it) and then added that mythic item which takes out crits from one's damage output and can be paired together with Unchained Aggressor for impossible bursts (Essence Thief is also a busted set but currently is quite underestimated).
And i won't talk about the Draugrkin's Grip that is so strong in pvp that even stamina users use it for Bloodthirst spam with multiple dots on the target, i got melted while blocking on my full tank, from poisons bleeds and status effects which all and each one proc from the set without any limitations or cooldown between ticks.

there are more examples but i think the idea is clear. I obviously talk about no cp pvp. In cp pvp there's full of clowns both for damage and tanking, so no arguments here.

^^^

The fact that this guy (OP), on a very critical location as the actual forums for the game. Has 2 agrees with 1.2 views, should show ZOS that this guy’s opinions DO NOT SYNC with what the majority believe about anything he has said.

Thank you! That is all for today!

sorry but the majority is usually wrong. Big minds of the world and big decisions were taken by small number of people.
if i would judge by the high number of players that give opinions, you would have actual nerfs and not the adjustments i ask for

Allielieu · June 2020

I do believe malacath ring needs a bit of a toning down in regards to pvp

Joy_Division · June 2020

Sergykid wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

damage is out of control, one shotting is worse than ever. It was a good direction with the nerfs this patch brought when tanks were out of control, but now damage is absurd. 5k dizzys 7k snipes and that on a capped (and a bit over) resistances tank that applies maim on the enemies. The newly added sets over the last period together with the new p2w item Malacath's Band of Brutality have made surviving quite difficult if not impossible.

you have added base crit resist and the Critical Riposte set (which is very weak btw, tested it) and then added that mythic item which takes out crits from one's damage output and can be paired together with Unchained Aggressor for impossible bursts (Essence Thief is also a busted set but currently is quite underestimated).
And i won't talk about the Draugrkin's Grip that is so strong in pvp that even stamina users use it for Bloodthirst spam with multiple dots on the target, i got melted while blocking on my full tank, from poisons bleeds and status effects which all and each one proc from the set without any limitations or cooldown between ticks.

there are more examples but i think the idea is clear. I obviously talk about no cp pvp. In cp pvp there's full of clowns both for damage and tanking, so no arguments here.

^^^

The fact that this guy (OP), on a very critical location as the actual forums for the game. Has 2 agrees with 1.2 views, should show ZOS that this guy’s opinions DO NOT SYNC with what the majority believe about anything he has said.

Thank you! That is all for today!

sorry but the majority is usually wrong. Big minds of the world and big decisions were taken by small number of people.
if i would judge by the high number of players that give opinions, you would have actual nerfs and not the adjustments i ask for

I'm genuinely confused by this statement looking at the title of thread and reading the OP that is just complaints and no suggestions for adjustments.

You are getting pushback because the only thing you're trying to sell here are (more) nerfs.

Czekoludek · June 2020

Sergykid wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

damage is out of control, one shotting is worse than ever. It was a good direction with the nerfs this patch brought when tanks were out of control, but now damage is absurd. 5k dizzys 7k snipes and that on a capped (and a bit over) resistances tank that applies maim on the enemies. The newly added sets over the last period together with the new p2w item Malacath's Band of Brutality have made surviving quite difficult if not impossible.

you have added base crit resist and the Critical Riposte set (which is very weak btw, tested it) and then added that mythic item which takes out crits from one's damage output and can be paired together with Unchained Aggressor for impossible bursts (Essence Thief is also a busted set but currently is quite underestimated).
And i won't talk about the Draugrkin's Grip that is so strong in pvp that even stamina users use it for Bloodthirst spam with multiple dots on the target, i got melted while blocking on my full tank, from poisons bleeds and status effects which all and each one proc from the set without any limitations or cooldown between ticks.

there are more examples but i think the idea is clear. I obviously talk about no cp pvp. In cp pvp there's full of clowns both for damage and tanking, so no arguments here.

^^^

The fact that this guy (OP), on a very critical location as the actual forums for the game. Has 2 agrees with 1.2 views, should show ZOS that this guy’s opinions DO NOT SYNC with what the majority believe about anything he has said.

Thank you! That is all for today!

sorry but the majority is usually wrong. Big minds of the world and big decisions were taken by small number of people.
if i would judge by the high number of players that give opinions, you would have actual nerfs and not the adjustments i ask for

Yeah, usually we should follow the experts but I can definitely tell that you are not one of them.
In PvP ppl need to die. They didn't before healing nerf as since it was buffed in scalebreaker everyone was tanky without giving up any damage. Healing for most classes are on par with what we had before crazy healing buffs from scalebreaker. We also have more crit protection do you can build heavily against non crit builds. Build for shields, healing, speed, rolls etc. Some classes needs adjustment but overall PvP is better after the nerfs then before

amm7sb14_ESO · June 2020

cheemers wrote: »

Uryel wrote: »

The only nerf that would make sense would be to remove PvP entirely from the game. But assuming this will never happen, then maybe, just maybe, balance skills differently for PvE and PvP, like so many games do.

That way, PvE players wouldn't have to bear with the constant whining and nerfing cycle that was the cause of much stupid changes, like removing stealth from the Bosmers, making Argonians non-resistant to poison, Altmer regenerating stamina and so on.

I'd much rather nerf forum whiners, they are far more detrimental to the health of the game than PvP has ever been

idk, the PVP in this game is pretty bad.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe · June 2020

You can have all the nerfs you want when Zos separates PvE balancing from PvP. Until then, your complaining is falling on the ears of someone who's been playing this game through three year's worth of patches that have almost exclusively nerfed, and hard. Enough. People are dying in PvP as intended, and skilled players will always seem "too strong" no matter what nerfs arise. It will never be perfect, only worse the more it's messed with.

Odovacar · June 2020

NO MORE NERFS!

DUTCH_REAPER · June 2020

Nerf NB!!! oh wait..too late..
Nerf DK!!! nope hold on..too late..
Nerf Healing!! oh crap...uhhh
Nerf MAGPLAR!!! hmmmm.....

: l

How about we as a community nerf the nerf threads????

Happy gaming yall

rotaugen454 · June 2020

This is why we can't have nice things...

PrimusNephilim · June 2020

Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

Sergykid · June 2020

most of you just keep looking for something to attack rather than seeing the problem. You just keep saying no more nerfs or complain about nerf threads.

if you think 5k dizzy is fine on 35k resistances, minor protection active, and minor maim on the enemy, you clearly are not playing against the right opponents or you simply ignore the combat logs when something one shots you.

the same goes for most abilities, be it frags/executioner/nb will/whip/whatever else. This means clearly that the sets and stats that currently people play with are way too strong and defenses are way too weak.

Sergykid · June 2020

and you already have separate pvp pve adjustments. All you need is reducing damage done in battle spirit or more health

Khatou · June 2020

The first thing a nerf, is the unbelievable sneakiness of ZOS !!!

relentless_turnip · June 2020

Sergykid wrote: »

most of you just keep looking for something to attack rather than seeing the problem. You just keep saying no more nerfs or complain about nerf threads.

if you think 5k dizzy is fine on 35k resistances, minor protection active, and minor maim on the enemy, you clearly are not playing against the right opponents or you simply ignore the combat logs when something one shots you.

the same goes for most abilities, be it frags/executioner/nb will/whip/whatever else. This means clearly that the sets and stats that currently people play with are way too strong and defenses are way too weak.

I can't speak for everyone, but all I do is fight opponents. I mainly play solo or small-scale, so yes I encounter a lot of people who know how to play.

[snip]

If you want help with your build, post it and you will most likely get a very constructive response.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Lord-Otto · June 2020

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

No-CPers are so cute. Get hit by a 12k non-crit Frag. Then you can complain.

Those thrassian sorcs hiding in their zergs are annoying af.

Yup.
But that 12k Frag was from me, with Malacath. Thrassian are just broken.

jecks33 · June 2020

Buff magsorcs!!

Keledus · June 2020

Tbh this isn't a ''oh but this class needs a nerf''

Everythings hella overpowered this patch so everyones on quite the even playing field.

Phreeki · June 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

PvP needs to have its own server running its own ruleset so all the stuff that is fun in PvE doesn't get adjusted out.
It's obvious that ZOS needs better internal theorycrafters realizing potential combinations and that's just one thing that's lacking with PvP mechanics.

Uryel wrote: »

The only nerf that would make sense would be to remove PvP entirely from the game. But assuming this will never happen, then maybe, just maybe, balance skills differently for PvE and PvP, like so many games do.

That way, PvE players wouldn't have to bear with the constant whining and nerfing cycle that was the cause of much stupid changes, like removing stealth from the Bosmers, making Argonians non-resistant to poison, Altmer regenerating stamina and so on.

I love it when people blame everything on "PvP" players. PvE player base is a much larger number than the Pvp one. Most of the changes in this game have come about because of PvE.

PvE trial guilds ect just stacking and burning through content and mechanics are the reason most of these nerfs happen. I am not saying pvp has not contributed to nerfs but not to the extent the PvE side has.

Jeremy · June 2020

Sergykid wrote: »

damage is out of control, one shotting is worse than ever. It was a good direction with the nerfs this patch brought when tanks were out of control, but now damage is absurd. 5k dizzys 7k snipes and that on a capped (and a bit over) resistances tank that applies maim on the enemies. The newly added sets over the last period together with the new p2w item Malacath's Band of Brutality have made surviving quite difficult if not impossible.

you have added base crit resist and the Critical Riposte set (which is very weak btw, tested it) and then added that mythic item which takes out crits from one's damage output and can be paired together with Unchained Aggressor for impossible bursts (Essence Thief is also a busted set but currently is quite underestimated).
And i won't talk about the Draugrkin's Grip that is so strong in pvp that even stamina users use it for Bloodthirst spam with multiple dots on the target, i got melted while blocking on my full tank, from poisons bleeds and status effects which all and each one proc from the set without any limitations or cooldown between ticks.

there are more examples but i think the idea is clear. I obviously talk about no cp pvp. In cp pvp there's full of clowns both for damage and tanking, so no arguments here.

Yeah it can be pretty ridiculous. Heavy Armor, health, resistances, heals (especially heals)... even block is useless now as a form of defense Sergykid. None of that will stop a well played offensive from simply melting you with what is essentially the same stun/splat tactics - which is pretty much what PvP is on this game... stun/splat.

I recommend using Mist Form as a way to defend yourself now. It's the only thing I've found that works good enough to bother with. Otherwise I would have quit this game's PvP already. Also: get ready for some incoming: because all of the offensive-oriented characters - who for obvious reasons are going to like these changes - are going to come after you. lol

YandereGirlfriend · June 2020

Looks like the nerflings are at it again.

Honestly, these nerflings will never be satisfied until, as DJ Khaled says, "All [they] do is win, win, win no matter what."

After that: HANDS OFF MY DRAUGRKIN.

Before it was ever used in PvP it was used in PvE as a building block for off-meta magDPS builds. Given it is a strictly single-target set and that it has, at best, a 2/3 uptime, this sounds like an L2P issue more than a balance problem.

As others have said, try stunning the Draugrkin user to set up your own combo or use Roll-Dodge or mobility to disengage when the proc is on you. Or simply run over to your friend and use numbers against them since the Draugrkin user effectively does not have a 5-piece set when attacking your ally. Furthermore, what are you doing just sitting there eating all this damage? That's a violation of like basic PvP common sense, especially in Non-CP.

It is possible that the Draugrkin proc bypasses Battle Spirit and that is a bug that could be fixed (if it is true) without impacting PvE at all. But in terms of nerfing the core functionality of the set simply because it killed you, I give you a resounding "NOPE!"

karekiz · June 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

It is possible that the Draugrkin proc bypasses Battle Spirit and that is a bug that could be fixed (if it is true) without impacting PvE at all. But in terms of nerfing the core functionality of the set simply because it killed you, I give you a resounding "NOPE!"

People use Draughkin in PvE?

dotme · June 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Looks like the nerflings are at it again.

The crying seems to increase every year during Midyear Mayhem

I'm not saying that's the case here of course - I understand things may be a tad ugly in the non-CP campaign. But maybe the answer to the OP's concerns lies in some campaign-specific battle spirit adjustments, not blanket game-wide nerfs.

Just a thought.