Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »I mean if they want to offer something, OK. But I'm not expecting it nor demanding it. *** happens and it hasn't even been that long.
Also this is in the user agreement:
"6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES
ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be accessible or available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time."
So you wouldn't have reacted in any way if ESO hadn't been available for a month, for example?Would you like that?
It hasn't even been 24 hours. Let's not be so dramatic just yet. If it stays down for a month I will re-evaluate my position but ultimately we agreed to those terms so...
We? I don't really agree with that.
Yes, you agreed to this.. If you didn't, you have not even been playing
ToS, the green card for providing *** service.
No one forces you to agree
i kinda have no choice to agree or find another hobby. I really love this, why are you white knighting for this bad company behaviour?
Yes they don't have to give us ***. But if you contiously mess up every patch, every event, and can't even properly reboot a server maybe you're costumers which paid for the product are allowed to complain about it? Maybe get a bit of compensation? as a good buisiness practice perhaps?
If someone comes into my store and asks me to fix their glasses, i tell them: i'm not responsebly for anything that happens to it since it doesn't come from this shop for example. and i accidently ruin it, i'll still as a decent buisinessman try to do my best to fix the issues and make sure the costumer is satified.
or when i give out free stuff to non paying costumers i do this to build up good costumer relations, i don't owe them anything.
You are agreeing to it, good or bad, just like the rest of us.. We all love it, or we would not be here.. Why am I defending them? Because they have provided me with endless hours of entertainment since ´94 perhaps? And yes of course you are allowed to complain, I could not care less.. It is the constant demands that bothers me.. People begging for free stuff for some imagined slight done to them.. You knew that this could happen, so suck it up, do something else while you wait.. We are in a situation where quite a lot of people work from home, so of course it will have an effect on the games performance.. Just be happy if you don't have anything worse than this to be upset about.. What you do or do not do in your own shop/bussiness is up to you, and the same goes for them.. I know tons of stores that won't give you stuff just to because you cry for it.. Should we start assaulting them too?
I disagree. I think many people will not agree if they are treated with disrespect? Or will you agree as I understand?
Maybe we just have a different view on respect.. Tell me how they have disrespected you? honest question
navystylz_ESO wrote: »What u think about rewards' for so long maintenance? It's strange for me wait all day instead of 3 hours and and get nothing in return. What you think all about it?
PS: This post is not for inciting swearing. Only constructive and adequate answers please
Some games do this. ESO never does. People will defend it just a thing to deal with for games. Like giving out free pixels for inability to play is such a strain on Zos resources.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »I mean if they want to offer something, OK. But I'm not expecting it nor demanding it. *** happens and it hasn't even been that long.
Also this is in the user agreement:
"6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES
ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be accessible or available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time."
So you wouldn't have reacted in any way if ESO hadn't been available for a month, for example?Would you like that?
It hasn't even been 24 hours. Let's not be so dramatic just yet. If it stays down for a month I will re-evaluate my position but ultimately we agreed to those terms so...
We? I don't really agree with that.
Yes, you agreed to this.. If you didn't, you have not even been playing
ToS, the green card for providing *** service.
No one forces you to agree
i kinda have no choice to agree or find another hobby. I really love this, why are you white knighting for this bad company behaviour?
Yes they don't have to give us ***. But if you contiously mess up every patch, every event, and can't even properly reboot a server maybe you're costumers which paid for the product are allowed to complain about it? Maybe get a bit of compensation? as a good buisiness practice perhaps?
If someone comes into my store and asks me to fix their glasses, i tell them: i'm not responsebly for anything that happens to it since it doesn't come from this shop for example. and i accidently ruin it, i'll still as a decent buisinessman try to do my best to fix the issues and make sure the costumer is satified.
or when i give out free stuff to non paying costumers i do this to build up good costumer relations, i don't owe them anything.
You are agreeing to it, good or bad, just like the rest of us.. We all love it, or we would not be here.. Why am I defending them? Because they have provided me with endless hours of entertainment since ´94 perhaps? And yes of course you are allowed to complain, I could not care less.. It is the constant demands that bothers me.. People begging for free stuff for some imagined slight done to them.. You knew that this could happen, so suck it up, do something else while you wait.. We are in a situation where quite a lot of people work from home, so of course it will have an effect on the games performance.. Just be happy if you don't have anything worse than this to be upset about.. What you do or do not do in your own shop/bussiness is up to you, and the same goes for them.. I know tons of stores that won't give you stuff just to because you cry for it.. Should we start assaulting them too?
I disagree. I think many people will not agree if they are treated with disrespect? Or will you agree as I understand?
Maybe we just have a different view on respect.. Tell me how they have disrespected you? honest question
Continously claiming they're fixing it while clearing either not trying to failing. I don't take their word serious anymore.
Lieing to someone is a form of disrespect, misinforming or not informing your costumers in my opinion is also a form of disrespect.
But, you don't KNOW for sure that they are lying.. So you are just assuming that they have disrespected you
i don't know because.... THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
it always just issues... issues... issues.... how come these issues only affect EU?
How come a reboot on NA takes 3 hours but 8 on EU and afterwards both servers fail again anyways?
How come EU can be down for reboot, but can't get server maintenance at seperate hours?
I've asked these questions before but i dind't get an awnser, which in my opinion they're ignoring the issues which is also a form of disrespect.
Are the US servers up again? Last I saw, they were dead too.. I agree that more information, and more frequently, would be great though.. Then on the other hand, maybe they don't have anything to add at this moment
Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »I mean if they want to offer something, OK. But I'm not expecting it nor demanding it. *** happens and it hasn't even been that long.
Also this is in the user agreement:
"6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES
ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be accessible or available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time."
So you wouldn't have reacted in any way if ESO hadn't been available for a month, for example?Would you like that?
It hasn't even been 24 hours. Let's not be so dramatic just yet. If it stays down for a month I will re-evaluate my position but ultimately we agreed to those terms so...
We? I don't really agree with that.
Yes, you agreed to this.. If you didn't, you have not even been playing
ToS, the green card for providing *** service.
No one forces you to agree
i kinda have no choice to agree or find another hobby. I really love this, why are you white knighting for this bad company behaviour?
Yes they don't have to give us ***. But if you contiously mess up every patch, every event, and can't even properly reboot a server maybe you're costumers which paid for the product are allowed to complain about it? Maybe get a bit of compensation? as a good buisiness practice perhaps?
If someone comes into my store and asks me to fix their glasses, i tell them: i'm not responsebly for anything that happens to it since it doesn't come from this shop for example. and i accidently ruin it, i'll still as a decent buisinessman try to do my best to fix the issues and make sure the costumer is satified.
or when i give out free stuff to non paying costumers i do this to build up good costumer relations, i don't owe them anything.
You are agreeing to it, good or bad, just like the rest of us.. We all love it, or we would not be here.. Why am I defending them? Because they have provided me with endless hours of entertainment since ´94 perhaps? And yes of course you are allowed to complain, I could not care less.. It is the constant demands that bothers me.. People begging for free stuff for some imagined slight done to them.. You knew that this could happen, so suck it up, do something else while you wait.. We are in a situation where quite a lot of people work from home, so of course it will have an effect on the games performance.. Just be happy if you don't have anything worse than this to be upset about.. What you do or do not do in your own shop/bussiness is up to you, and the same goes for them.. I know tons of stores that won't give you stuff just to because you cry for it.. Should we start assaulting them too?
I disagree. I think many people will not agree if they are treated with disrespect? Or will you agree as I understand?
Maybe we just have a different view on respect.. Tell me how they have disrespected you? honest question
I think you already understand my position perfectly. But I will still answer with an example. If you had a car wrecked would you be happy with a simple sorry? Or did you want something more?
PS I think we value the game differently
Along with ESO's crapton of issues, lag, bugs, etc. has been many of extended maintenances. Not once have they been kind or thoughtful enough of their playerbase, costumers, to add a free day to ESO+, give everyone a little mail gift, offer a bonus xp event for a day, etc. I used to think treating your costumer base like garbage was normal, then I played some other mmo's and saw how astoundingly poor ZOS handles...well all things.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »I mean if they want to offer something, OK. But I'm not expecting it nor demanding it. *** happens and it hasn't even been that long.
Also this is in the user agreement:
"6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES
ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be accessible or available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time."
So you wouldn't have reacted in any way if ESO hadn't been available for a month, for example?Would you like that?
It hasn't even been 24 hours. Let's not be so dramatic just yet. If it stays down for a month I will re-evaluate my position but ultimately we agreed to those terms so...
We? I don't really agree with that.
Yes, you agreed to this.. If you didn't, you have not even been playing
ToS, the green card for providing *** service.
No one forces you to agree
i kinda have no choice to agree or find another hobby. I really love this, why are you white knighting for this bad company behaviour?
Yes they don't have to give us ***. But if you contiously mess up every patch, every event, and can't even properly reboot a server maybe you're costumers which paid for the product are allowed to complain about it? Maybe get a bit of compensation? as a good buisiness practice perhaps?
If someone comes into my store and asks me to fix their glasses, i tell them: i'm not responsebly for anything that happens to it since it doesn't come from this shop for example. and i accidently ruin it, i'll still as a decent buisinessman try to do my best to fix the issues and make sure the costumer is satified.
or when i give out free stuff to non paying costumers i do this to build up good costumer relations, i don't owe them anything.
You are agreeing to it, good or bad, just like the rest of us.. We all love it, or we would not be here.. Why am I defending them? Because they have provided me with endless hours of entertainment since ´94 perhaps? And yes of course you are allowed to complain, I could not care less.. It is the constant demands that bothers me.. People begging for free stuff for some imagined slight done to them.. You knew that this could happen, so suck it up, do something else while you wait.. We are in a situation where quite a lot of people work from home, so of course it will have an effect on the games performance.. Just be happy if you don't have anything worse than this to be upset about.. What you do or do not do in your own shop/bussiness is up to you, and the same goes for them.. I know tons of stores that won't give you stuff just to because you cry for it.. Should we start assaulting them too?
I disagree. I think many people will not agree if they are treated with disrespect? Or will you agree as I understand?
Maybe we just have a different view on respect.. Tell me how they have disrespected you? honest question
Continously claiming they're fixing it while clearing either not trying to failing. I don't take their word serious anymore.
Lieing to someone is a form of disrespect, misinforming or not informing your costumers in my opinion is also a form of disrespect.
But, you don't KNOW for sure that they are lying.. So you are just assuming that they have disrespected you
i don't know because.... THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
it always just issues... issues... issues.... how come these issues only affect EU?
How come a reboot on NA takes 3 hours but 8 on EU and afterwards both servers fail again anyways?
How come EU can be down for reboot, but can't get server maintenance at seperate hours?
I've asked these questions before but i dind't get an awnser, which in my opinion they're ignoring the issues which is also a form of disrespect.
Are the US servers up again? Last I saw, they were dead too.. I agree that more information, and more frequently, would be great though.. Then on the other hand, maybe they don't have anything to add at this moment
Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ciana_Rilian wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »SolidusPrime wrote: »I mean if they want to offer something, OK. But I'm not expecting it nor demanding it. *** happens and it hasn't even been that long.
Also this is in the user agreement:
"6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES
ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be accessible or available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time."
So you wouldn't have reacted in any way if ESO hadn't been available for a month, for example?Would you like that?
It hasn't even been 24 hours. Let's not be so dramatic just yet. If it stays down for a month I will re-evaluate my position but ultimately we agreed to those terms so...
We? I don't really agree with that.
Yes, you agreed to this.. If you didn't, you have not even been playing
ToS, the green card for providing *** service.
No one forces you to agree
i kinda have no choice to agree or find another hobby. I really love this, why are you white knighting for this bad company behaviour?
Yes they don't have to give us ***. But if you contiously mess up every patch, every event, and can't even properly reboot a server maybe you're costumers which paid for the product are allowed to complain about it? Maybe get a bit of compensation? as a good buisiness practice perhaps?
If someone comes into my store and asks me to fix their glasses, i tell them: i'm not responsebly for anything that happens to it since it doesn't come from this shop for example. and i accidently ruin it, i'll still as a decent buisinessman try to do my best to fix the issues and make sure the costumer is satified.
or when i give out free stuff to non paying costumers i do this to build up good costumer relations, i don't owe them anything.
You are agreeing to it, good or bad, just like the rest of us.. We all love it, or we would not be here.. Why am I defending them? Because they have provided me with endless hours of entertainment since ´94 perhaps? And yes of course you are allowed to complain, I could not care less.. It is the constant demands that bothers me.. People begging for free stuff for some imagined slight done to them.. You knew that this could happen, so suck it up, do something else while you wait.. We are in a situation where quite a lot of people work from home, so of course it will have an effect on the games performance.. Just be happy if you don't have anything worse than this to be upset about.. What you do or do not do in your own shop/bussiness is up to you, and the same goes for them.. I know tons of stores that won't give you stuff just to because you cry for it.. Should we start assaulting them too?
I disagree. I think many people will not agree if they are treated with disrespect? Or will you agree as I understand?
Maybe we just have a different view on respect.. Tell me how they have disrespected you? honest question
Continously claiming they're fixing it while clearing either not trying to failing. I don't take their word serious anymore.
Lieing to someone is a form of disrespect, misinforming or not informing your costumers in my opinion is also a form of disrespect.
But, you don't KNOW for sure that they are lying.. So you are just assuming that they have disrespected you
i don't know because.... THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
it always just issues... issues... issues.... how come these issues only affect EU?
How come a reboot on NA takes 3 hours but 8 on EU and afterwards both servers fail again anyways?
How come EU can be down for reboot, but can't get server maintenance at seperate hours?
I've asked these questions before but i dind't get an awnser, which in my opinion they're ignoring the issues which is also a form of disrespect.
Are the US servers up again? Last I saw, they were dead too.. I agree that more information, and more frequently, would be great though.. Then on the other hand, maybe they don't have anything to add at this moment
You can keep in touch with the community at any time. By the way, the NA servers UP 3 PM. Dwemer automaton bot didn't say anything about it. This is not news. This situation is 90% of the time, I think.
Joinovikova wrote: »at least ESO+ shoudl be compensated....
Stealthk80 wrote: »Go outside...
What u think about rewards' for so long maintenance? It's strange for me wait all day instead of 3 hours and and get nothing in return. What you think all about it?
PS: This post is not for inciting swearing. Only constructive and adequate answers please
What u think about rewards' for so long maintenance? It's strange for me wait all day instead of 3 hours and and get nothing in return. What you think all about it?
PS: This post is not for inciting swearing. Only constructive and adequate answers please
What u think about rewards' for so long maintenance? It's strange for me wait all day instead of 3 hours and and get nothing in return. What you think all about it?
PS: This post is not for inciting swearing. Only constructive and adequate answers please
For the first 3 days of Greymoore's launch you simply couldn't play the game. Loading screens were 5 minutes long and lag made combat impossible, not to mention quest triggers not working. That was 3 DAYS with an unplayable game, and we got nothing. And ZOS fanboys saying we deserve nothing.
You'll get nothing.
Stealthk80 wrote: »Go outside...
I'm from the North of the UK and live in the (boiling hot) South.
Burning, hay fever, premature skin ageing and insect bites are not going to make me feel any better.
What u think about rewards' for so long maintenance? It's strange for me wait all day instead of 3 hours and and get nothing in return. What you think all about it?
PS: This post is not for inciting swearing. Only constructive and adequate answers please
For the first 3 days of Greymoore's launch you simply couldn't play the game. Loading screens were 5 minutes long and lag made combat impossible, not to mention quest triggers not working. That was 3 DAYS with an unplayable game, and we got nothing. And ZOS fanboys saying we deserve nothing.
You'll get nothing.
Thank you all for your understanding!Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
Greetings all,
After removing a few posts from this thread for being non-constructive, we would like to remind everyone to keep the Forum Rules in mind when posting. Flaming is against the Rules, and stated as such:Thank you all for your understanding!Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
Greetings all,
After removing a few posts from this thread for being non-constructive, we would like to remind everyone to keep the Forum Rules in mind when posting. Flaming is against the Rules, and stated as such:Thank you all for your understanding!Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
In other words, you have read the entire thread and can only edit the messages and not comment on this situation in any way? On how many I see no information about this there is no on forum.
Greetings all,
After removing a few posts from this thread for being non-constructive, we would like to remind everyone to keep the Forum Rules in mind when posting. Flaming is against the Rules, and stated as such:Thank you all for your understanding!Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
In other words, you have read the entire thread and can only edit the messages and not comment on this situation in any way? On how many I see no information about this there is no on forum.
I will not defend the Community Managers here, as they are doing a terrible job (and I think I can judge, as I'm a CM myself), however KageW seems to be "just" a moderator for the Forums. These guys are usually not allowed to answer questions like this one. That's for the CMs to handle. Unfortunately there is complete radio silence, I wonder if ZOs doesn't allow them to speak or if they are just not really doing it.
Yamenstein wrote: »...
Go outside, get some fresh air, spend time with your loved ones, read a book or learn a new skill. You don't need to be rewarded for doing nothing at all.
Yamenstein wrote: »You want a reward for them maintaining their servers?
Think of it like this then. The reward is playable servers!
If you want they can stop server maintenance all together. But I expect then you'll make a thread about how poor the servers are.
So let's not make things worse shall we.
Go outside, get some fresh air, spend time with your loved ones, read a book or learn a new skill. You don't need to be rewarded for doing nothing at all.
Yamenstein wrote: »You want a reward for them maintaining their servers?
Think of it like this then. The reward is playable servers!
If you want they can stop server maintenance all together. But I expect then you'll make a thread about how poor the servers are.
So let's not make things worse shall we.
Go outside, get some fresh air, spend time with your loved ones, read a book or learn a new skill. You don't need to be rewarded for doing nothing at all.
Yamenstein wrote: »...
Go outside, get some fresh air, spend time with your loved ones, read a book or learn a new skill. You don't need to be rewarded for doing nothing at all.
Almost all of which is 'banned' many places atm