My ears are bleeding...

Rake

yRaven wrote: »

No. Next question...

this

morrowjen

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding? Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off. And everywhere i am standing or waiting, someone sits next to me starting this emote.

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like or make a couple of them... but the way it is atm its just cruel to the ears, and
i hope everyone who uses it too often gets auto logged out of the game as often as possible -.-'

This is the most melodic thing you've ever heard compared to getting the dragon roar bug in Sunspire. That one will legit drive you mad. The esraj, as others have mentioned, is just a very non-Western sounding instrument.

Dont_do_drugs

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Ah, I see you are not a man of culture.

exactly. i am a woman.

VDoom1

Meh meh....I like that song. When Elsweyr came out I played it a lot when waiting in queues or such. Now it's Ragnar The Red that has taken the spotlight.

Ratzkifal

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

First of all I don't see what kind of "argument" you are thinking I have made there. I merely made a factual statement. There are people who can appreciate quarter tone etc music and people who can't. I assumed OP was someone who can't.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course but if, as you suggest, both sides of the argument are equally valid because they come down to personal preference, then proposing the removal of something that the other side likes is the exact same as arguing someone's taste in music. So it deserves to be called out as such, hence the "he can't appreciate a different music system", suggesting that it actually is liked by others.

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A factual statement would have been: "The OP doesn't like the emote, especially when it's being spammed at wayshrines."

You implied, that he doesn't like this type of music at all, which is blatantly wrong if you read the entire post. Then you argued that he dislikes it, simply because he isn't able to properly appreciate it. Which is what I took issue with.

Also I didn't say I agreed with removing the emote entirely. But surely changing the melody or giving everyone the option to mute emote music can at least be discussed.

It was purely an is-statement, not an ought-statement and certainly not an argument. You are trying to read more into that than there is. When I said that he couldn't appreciate that kind of music that is all I wanted to say while also pointing out that there are people around who can.
Now of course that statement is wrong if what OP has clarified later on is true, since he can appreciate it after all and just critizes the also subjective quality, or so he says. But it's still not an argument and it wasn't clear from just the original post calling it a "non-melody", "ugly" and "off-note" - which it just isn't.

Changing the melody and replacing it with something that isn't as appealing as what it previously was would boil down to being the same as a removal of that emote to those who intentionally bought it/gambled for it and liked the old tune. You'd also have to deal with the people who want to refund of their crown gems or whatever because it isn't what they bought and that just isn't worth it.
Adding more melodies to /esraj is something I could get behind because it doesn't take away from the current version but only adds to it. And being able to silence emotes and mementos from others (maybe even flashy mounts as well) is something the game could definitely use too.

Dont_do_drugs

You are trying to read more into that than there is.

Bei allem Respekt Ratzkifal, er liest nicht mehr hinein, er liest tatsächlich den gesamten Text.

With all respect, Ratzki, he isn't reading more into it, u missed out reading the entire entry post.

Now of course that statement is wrong if what OP has clarified later on is true, since he can appreciate it after all

Not now. Its already been in the entry.

But it's still not an argument and it wasn't clear from just the original post

It was.

And why the hell are you calling me "he"? You were on my ingame friendslists for some years.... I even wrote some posts earlier, that i am a "she".

rei91

I have perfect pitch and I like esraj. The melody is soothing.

Now when few people play it simultaneously, that's a problem. As with every other instrument. I don't get it why ZOS didn't synchronize instruments in some radius or in the whole zone even. Or at least in a group - so people can group if they want to play together, or stay separately if they want to evoke some anarchy.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Ah, I see you are not a man of culture.

exactly. i am a woman.

I apologise.

Ah, I see you are not a woman of culture.

Ratzkifal

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

You are trying to read more into that than there is.

Bei allem Respekt Ratzkifal, er liest nicht mehr hinein, er liest tatsächlich den gesamten Text.

With all respect, Ratzki, he isn't reading more into it, u missed out reading the entire entry post.

Now of course that statement is wrong if what OP has clarified later on is true, since he can appreciate it after all

Not now. Its already been in the entry.

But it's still not an argument and it wasn't clear from just the original post

It was.

And why the hell are you calling me "he"? You were on my ingame friendslists for some years.... I even wrote some posts earlier, that i am a "she".

Did you change your name? I do not recognize you at all, sorry. Also I default to "he" when I don't know someone's gender, sorry for that too.

But back on the topic, I did not miss out reading the entire post. I read it all and your first post did not convince me that you actually know what you are talking about, only referencing some obscure examples from youtube which you didn't link either. Especially when describing it as "non-melody" , "Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off", "normal ears can survive without bleeding"...
Your second comment in the thread did a much better job there because you acknowledged there that music from different cultures has this different aesthetic. That's when I changed my opinion of your point too because I had the wrong assumption. Your first comment just made you sound clueless.

Ratzkifal

rei91 wrote: »

I have perfect pitch and I like esraj. The melody is soothing.

Now when few people play it simultaneously, that's a problem. As with every other instrument. I don't get it why ZOS didn't synchronize instruments in some radius or in the whole zone even. Or at least in a group - so people can group if they want to play together, or stay separately if they want to evoke some anarchy.

That is actually something Sea of Thieves handles beautifully. No matter what instrument you start playing or even when you are just whistling, you always play the same tune the other musicians around you, making it sound more grandiouse the more people do it and the more instruments are present. Check it out. ESO should learn from this example.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZ2hBWdNr0]

Dont_do_drugs

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

You are trying to read more into that than there is.

Bei allem Respekt Ratzkifal, er liest nicht mehr hinein, er liest tatsächlich den gesamten Text.

With all respect, Ratzki, he isn't reading more into it, u missed out reading the entire entry post.

Now of course that statement is wrong if what OP has clarified later on is true, since he can appreciate it after all

Not now. Its already been in the entry.

But it's still not an argument and it wasn't clear from just the original post

It was.

And why the hell are you calling me "he"? You were on my ingame friendslists for some years.... I even wrote some posts earlier, that i am a "she".

Did you change your name? I do not recognize you at all, sorry. Also I default to "he" when I don't know someone's gender, sorry for that too.

But back on the topic, I did not miss out reading the entire post. I read it all and your first post did not convince me that you actually know what you are talking about, only referencing some obscure examples from youtube which you didn't link either. Especially when describing it as "non-melody" , "Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off", "normal ears can survive without bleeding"...
Your second comment in the thread did a much better job there because you acknowledged there that music from different cultures has this different aesthetic. That's when I changed my opinion of your point too because I had the wrong assumption. Your first comment just made you sound clueless.

actually i think, you're just trying to defend on the fact, that u made assumptions of what i wrote, instead of actually understanding and really reading, what i wrote as some other people did.

Jeffrey530

No one made assumptions on what you wrote. You literally wrote- 'ugly' 'non-melody' 'normal ears can survive without bleeding' ' change the melody to something' and these are entirely just your opinion and people are simply pointing out just because you don't like it, it does not mean others do not like it and it needs to be change. If it is changed to something else, people who got this emote or currently loving it would be treated unfairly.

Lets say, I hate people using skins because they are unrealistic, shiny ugly and my eyes go blind whenever I see them, so should they all be changed into something plain and dull? No because people bought them or earned them from some achievements.

Live with it, you are playing a mmo rpg.

Banana

Just leave your speakers off

Syldras

Lord-Otto wrote: »

My advice, get the new achievement music box and listen to it to soothe your ears after they encountered an estrash.

That mead-maker thing? It always reminds me on that music box in a Star Trek TNG episode... that one driving people insane. I know it's not the same melody, but to me it has similar vibes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlaJcetmorA

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Ashryn wrote: »

The Esraj isn't nearly as annoying as that Argonian stuff!!!! However... its probably futile to wish that all can sound as harmonious as we Elves

That reminds me. They should really make those into looped emotes. I'd love to play the mire drum for longer than 1 second, and who doesn't like the Vossa-satl? Remember that happy frogs makes the best music.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Were you around last year when that crown crate season was novel? You had that thing everywhere! I don't dislike it tho

Syldras

I actually like the Esraj. Can't stand the Vossa-satl. But I see it as a culture thing; I don't neccessarily have to like it, but it adds to the cultural diversity and athmosphere, so it's okay for me. I know the Esraj was played everywhere just after release, but such things always decrease with time.

JamieAubrey

I love it, I think it was added as a troll