My ears are bleeding...

Dont_do_drugs

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding? Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off. And everywhere i am standing or waiting, someone sits next to me starting this emote.

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like or make a couple of them... but the way it is atm its just cruel to the ears, and
i hope everyone who uses it too often gets auto logged out of the game as often as possible -.-'

yRaven

No. Next question...

Asdara

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding? Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off. And everywhere i am standing or waiting, someone sits next to me starting this emote.

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like or make a couple of them... but the way it is atm its just cruel to the ears, and
i hope everyone who uses it too often gets auto logged out of the game as often as possible -.-'

i love it, and 'ill keep spamming it everywhere i wait, especially in raidlorn

Tommy_The_Gun

I wish I had a mute option. This emote is quite nice, but not when everyone, everywhere is spamming it... often there are 3 - 5 playing at the same time, and of course horribly de-synced with each other. So, yeah, I wish I had a mute button for those...

Ratzkifal

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

Raisin

First thing I did when this emote was released was go and find a clear recording on YouTube to listen to. I find it beautiful and calming.
To each their own.

Dont_do_drugs

Ratzkifal wrote: »

In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

Raisin wrote: »

First thing I did when this emote was released was go and find a clear recording on YouTube to listen to. I find it beautiful and calming.
To each their own.

this is what i wrote v

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like

not talking bout esraj in general, but about that one "melody" in eso.

Ectheliontnacil

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

TineaCruris

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding? Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off. And everywhere i am standing or waiting, someone sits next to me starting this emote.

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like or make a couple of them... but the way it is atm its just cruel to the ears, and
i hope everyone who uses it too often gets auto logged out of the game as often as possible -.-'

I couldn't agree more. For anyone who's had any ear training at all, ever, they made that item as deliberately out of tune as possible. They made it out of tune on purpose is the only way it could be that bad.

Whenever possible, pull mobs to those playing this instrument, heal them or anything..please. Or, just take the awful thing out of the game all together would be even better IMO.

starkerealm

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding?

I like it...

HappyTheCamper

I’m just thankful the year of Elsweyr has been over for months. That [snip] bombastic title screen music was a downgrade from Summerset.

[Edited for Censor Bypass]

Ratzkifal

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

First of all I don't see what kind of "argument" you are thinking I have made there. I merely made a factual statement. There are people who can appreciate quarter tone etc music and people who can't. I assumed OP was someone who can't.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course but if, as you suggest, both sides of the argument are equally valid because they come down to personal preference, then proposing the removal of something that the other side likes is the exact same as arguing someone's taste in music. So it deserves to be called out as such, hence the "he can't appreciate a different music system", suggesting that it actually is liked by others.

Ashryn

The Esraj isn't nearly as annoying as that Argonian stuff!!!! However... its probably futile to wish that all can sound as harmonious as we Elves

tsaescishoeshiner

TineaCruris wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Could you please change the non-melody of that khajiit emote /esraj to something, which normal ears can survive without bleeding? Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off. And everywhere i am standing or waiting, someone sits next to me starting this emote.

check out youtube if u need inspiration of how a nice melody on that instrument could sound like or make a couple of them... but the way it is atm its just cruel to the ears, and
i hope everyone who uses it too often gets auto logged out of the game as often as possible -.-'

I couldn't agree more. For anyone who's had any ear training at all, ever, they made that item as deliberately out of tune as possible. They made it out of tune on purpose is the only way it could be that bad.

Whenever possible, pull mobs to those playing this instrument, heal them or anything..please. Or, just take the awful thing out of the game all together would be even better IMO.

My boyfriend has ear training and it doesn't drive him crazy. Because he's somewhat familiar with many kinds of non-Western music. You don't have to like /esraj, but there's a lot to learn and experience when it comes to world music than A440 and semitonality

That being said, I love this instrument to death but it can be grating when many instruments are spammed with it. Other MMOs have a "mute player instruments" option, and this could be good for ESO. It's also good for players who play with music off, because they can still hear player instruments.

Also "It's just their opinion they're allowed to dislike an instrument" isn't valid reason for wanting an instrument removed/reworked that everyone ELSE enjoys.

When do we get /zither, by the way?? Like Dahin at the Rimmen crafting area

EDIT: Here's a microtone guitar for all the "music experts" in the thread. Notice how it sounds "untuned" compared to a normal guitar, but there are traditions, theory, and even math (gasp) behind the tuning

Scottfree2

Yup, i like the esraj .. had to look up whether there was a real instrument when i first heard it .. its the most exotically eastern sounding thing i ever heard .. i love it.


Sorry the OP doesnt care for it tho tbh i very rarely hear anyone playing it, i dunno where hes hanging out.

SickleCider

I like it quite a lot (and I like the microtuned guitar linked earlier in the thread). I think the esraj could have benefited from having another tune or two, though.

Sylvermynx

I enjoy the esraj. As with all the instrument emotes though, I don't really want to hear them in cities - I use the emotes myself in my houses.

I was married to an acoustical guitarist who was talented enough that he was one of Andrés Segovia's students. He also played banjo, 12 string guitar, and sitar, as well as esraj and zither. He discovered esraj and sitar while playing in a small group in Vegas - the group play-dates were extraordinary for someone like me who never played an instrument at all.

I learned a very great deal about "not-western-world" types of music, including non-halftone systems; I actually appreciate the Eastern music as much as I do western classical and opera, and new age. The esraj is FAR better than someone who is off pitch (I have perfect pitch; I used to sing semi-professionally though now my voice is not very good due to age - and allergies....)

@tsaescishoeshiner - thank you so much for that link. Wow, just WOW. Incredible, and extremely enjoyable. I'm wondering if most microtuned guitar music is in minor key? If so, well, that would make it perfect for me!

Zenzuki

There is a mute option.

Just turn off(leave) area chat.

Everything goes quiet!

Taleof2Cities

I clicked the thread title "My ears are bleeding..." thinking was about the dragon screams in Sunspire.

I was click-baited and now disappointed ...

starkerealm

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I clicked the thread title "My ears are bleeding..." thinking was about the dragon screams in Sunspire.

I was click-baited and now disappointed ...

CIRION! THE P.A. SYSTEM IS BROKEN AGAIN! I CAN'T TURN DOWN THE VOLUME! DO YOU HEAR ME!? CIRION! FIX THIS AT ONCE!

thorwyn

I agree, they should switch the sound to something more appropriate... something like this

Dont_do_drugs

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Also "It's just their opinion they're allowed to dislike an instrument" isn't valid reason for wanting an instrument removed/reworked that everyone ELSE enjoys.

Sorry to say so, but when did i ask to remove the instrument?

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I clicked the thread title "My ears are bleeding..." thinking was about the dragon screams in Sunspire.

I was click-baited and now disappointed ...

You are right, thats annoying too.

jm42

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Its awfull, its ugly, every note is off

Its beautiful and I like it really

redgreensunset

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

In that case why aren't they complaining about lute, flute or drum? Have five people play at the same rime and you get a cacophony. Which btw happens regularly when people wait and I myself am guilty of it. But having 3 lute players playing desynced and each their own melody, then add 1-2 flutes or drums and it's terrible.
Esraj sounds just fine when played solo, if your ear can handle music that isn't 100% western that it, but like all other instruments sounds awful when trying to group jam.

Dont_do_drugs

But having 3 lute players playing desynced and each their own melody, then add 1-2 flutes or drums and it's terrible.

It is as well. I like that ZOS created different melodies which those instrument could play, but i dislike, that there is no possibility to sync those melodies and to actually play the same melody on lute and flute as example synced. what makes it less annoying may be the fact that those emotes arent used a lot anymore. it is more of a 2014/2015 thing.

Esraj sounds just fine when played solo, if your ear can handle music that isn't 100% western that it, but like all other instruments sounds awful when trying to group jam.

Well i did watch some youtube videos as comparrisson, and each of them sounded better than the ingame esraj. also, as i reocgnized - it only plays one "melody"? i mean i didnt buy it, i didnt test it, but i am hearing always the same. every day....whereever i am. farming a boss for a lead, waiting for a harrowstorm...

Lord-Otto

Eh, I always wondered why people spent money for it. The last third of the melody is alright, but beginning is just awful, nothing to do with eastern music or not. And if people wanna discuss it: It's literal cat music. Ewww.
My advice, get the new achievement music box and listen to it to soothe your ears after they encountered an estrash.

Ectheliontnacil

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

First of all I don't see what kind of "argument" you are thinking I have made there. I merely made a factual statement. There are people who can appreciate quarter tone etc music and people who can't. I assumed OP was someone who can't.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course but if, as you suggest, both sides of the argument are equally valid because they come down to personal preference, then proposing the removal of something that the other side likes is the exact same as arguing someone's taste in music. So it deserves to be called out as such, hence the "he can't appreciate a different music system", suggesting that it actually is liked by others.

@Ratzkifal
A factual statement would have been: "The OP doesn't like the emote, especially when it's being spammed at wayshrines."

You implied, that he doesn't like this type of music at all, which is blatantly wrong if you read the entire post. Then you argued that he dislikes it, simply because he isn't able to properly appreciate it. Which is what I took issue with.

Also I didn't say I agreed with removing the emote entirely. But surely changing the melody or giving everyone the option to mute emote music can at least be discussed.

yRaven

Looks like people really forgot the time when it launched, everyone in every server in every city was playing it, the sound could be heard from the other half of the map...

Maybe it's time to bring it back so people stop thinking one person playing is bad enough

Protoavis73

Really like the esraj. And it's not off, it just doesn't use the western music scale (12 notes in an octave).
At one point 30 people played the esraj in Craglorn all at once, now that sounded like the invasion of the killer bees.

TineaCruris

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Looks like someone can't appreciate a music system that uses more than just half tones. That's why the music feels "off" by the way.
In Asia and the middle east you will have a lot of music that uses more than just half tones and that's exactly why the Khajiiti music is the way it is.

The " just can't appreciate" argument whenever someone doesn't like something is stupid imo.
Isn't he entitled to his opinion, isn't his dislike of the emote as valid as anyone's liking of it?

It was just a polite request for a QOL change. You can disagree with the proposed changes or suggest an alternate solution.
But arguing about someone's taste in music seems kind of pointless.

Note: OP just has an issue with this emote specifically and the fact that it is being spammed.

First of all I don't see what kind of "argument" you are thinking I have made there. I merely made a factual statement. There are people who can appreciate quarter tone etc music and people who can't. I assumed OP was someone who can't.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course but if, as you suggest, both sides of the argument are equally valid because they come down to personal preference, then proposing the removal of something that the other side likes is the exact same as arguing someone's taste in music. So it deserves to be called out as such, hence the "he can't appreciate a different music system", suggesting that it actually is liked by others.

What you are saying flies in the face of everything every music theory teacher spends their life teaching to their students. Tones that deliberately do not harmonize will always sound off and wrong....because they are.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Ah, I see you are not a man of culture.