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ESO is expensive
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »Well after resisting coming back to eso I dropped over 100 bucks Greymoor & Eso plus.
This is one of the most expensive Games to play been resisting buying the chapter hate the idea of being charged for dlc and sub also time constraints but I gave in
ESO is one of the best MMO just hate the business model that charges for everything...almost as bad EA and sims
You said you were "coming back" to ESO so you should have already had the base game at least.
So you could have played it for free without purchasing anything. Which is what I would have done in your position. I wouldn't have dropped the big bucks for all of the content until you were sure you liked the game. But I guess that advice is kind of pointless now.Edited by Jeremy on June 17, 2020 10:16PM0 -
Rock_FoesbaneSoul ShrivenIt's all a scam business model. The old Battlenet was awesome, this is just companies' greed, all of them. I don't spend any money and am fine with that in gameplay, as I agree and I won't pay for both a game and a monthly fee to use it. That's always been ridiculous in my book.2
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✭I hate fantasy games.....except oneEdited by volkeswagon on June 18, 2020 1:15AM0 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭I remember almost the same thread so I'll link it and repost my math. These were both calculated and max possible cost and so of course it will get closer in price gap as it
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6667428#Comment_666742
Full game with all Chapters: $60
ESO+ for all DLC for a year at max cost: $180
Total cost: 240 / 12 = $20 a month.
WoW: $50
Sub: $15 a month = 180.
Total: $230 or around 19.15 a month.
So it's ten dollars more expensive than WoW with a new expansion; the difference is we get a chapter and DLC per year and WoW gets one xpac every year and a half - two years AND has to wait for the release of raids on Blizzards schedule whereas we are given the trials in all one go.
I compared these two specifically because I previously played WoW and left with BFA and the advent of just not getting anything new like Battle Pet side systems to keep me entertained; I can only run the same raid the 373th time after getting all my BiS gear there just isn't any point to continue the game.Edited by Kittytravel on June 18, 2020 2:45AM0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »I remember almost the same thread so I'll link it and repost my math. These were both calculated and max possible cost and so of course it will get closer in price gap as it
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6667428#Comment_666742
Full game with all Chapters: $60
ESO+ for all DLC for a year at max cost: $180
Total cost: 240 / 12 = $20 a month.
WoW: $50
Sub: $15 a month = 180.
Total: $230 or around 19.15 a month.
So it's ten dollars more expensive than WoW with a new expansion; the difference is we get a chapter and DLC per year and WoW gets one xpac every year and a half - two years AND has to wait for the release of raids on Blizzards schedule whereas we are given the trials in all one go.
I compared these two specifically because I previously played WoW and left with BFA and the advent of just not getting anything new like Battle Pet side systems to keep me entertained; I can only run the same raid the 373th time after getting all my BiS gear there just isn't any point to continue the game.
except... you don't have to buy a game with all the chapters, you can buy basegame for $20 (or 10 if you wait for a sale, which seem to happen every other week nowadays) and have acess to all the content, but the latest expact (and before you say - but the classes, you can buy those within months with subscription crowns). which is a lot more playable, then being behind in wow, since max level in ESO doesn't change while in WoW if you want end game - you HAVE to buy the most recent expansion.
and if we are going to count expansions, then you need to count shadowlands, as WoW didn't start rolling BFA into its initial purchase until shadowlands preorders have become available. and when shadowlands will come out - the price will remain $90+ for entire game not counting subscription.
WoW is a more expensive game no matter how you look at it. (and if you look at the prices of various services - they are not exactly cheap either - to put it mildly)
and its not that ESO doesn't have plethora of predatory monetanization practices - it absolutely does. crown crates alone are just... bad. and i used to defend crown crates... before they adjusted them to their current state. an that's just for starters. but if we are looking at baseline costs? ESO is still cheaper.dirty worthless casual.
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✭✭volkeswagon wrote: »ESO plus in canada is 15 a month or 78 for 6 months. The Skyrim expansion upgrade is 54
Actually ESO plus in Canada is $17.99/month or $172.99/year.
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Ummmm who do you think designed guild traders? The longer you spend in the store, the more product you see. The concept of every store layout for the last 70 years or so.Anotherone773 wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.
Yup I could have bought just greymoor for 55 bucks save maybe 15 bucks but I needed elewyer too and that was another 40 bucks also the 55 buck expansion is not listed in the Microsoft store you have to search for it
I just looked it up on the MS store. Wow That store front is horrible. What a mess. How do you find anything? Even the search results are horrible to sift through. Anyway, pretty sure you didnt have to buy Elsweyr, it should be free when the next chapter comes out out, IIRC.
Anyone who buys from guild traders should feel at home then !
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✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »
Ummmm who do you think designed guild traders? The longer you spend in the store, the more product you see. The concept of every store layout for the last 70 years or so.Anotherone773 wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.
Yup I could have bought just greymoor for 55 bucks save maybe 15 bucks but I needed elewyer too and that was another 40 bucks also the 55 buck expansion is not listed in the Microsoft store you have to search for it
I just looked it up on the MS store. Wow That store front is horrible. What a mess. How do you find anything? Even the search results are horrible to sift through. Anyway, pretty sure you didnt have to buy Elsweyr, it should be free when the next chapter comes out out, IIRC.
Anyone who buys from guild traders should feel at home then !
On the other side there is item search now, where you just see those offers for the item you are looking for. So there is a way to go around the supermarket design and it becomes more of an online shop experience by it.0 -
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Not paying a subscription for GW2 make a lot of difference. You save say $150 a year so even if you spend that in the gem store your are still better off, financially.GW2 charges for expansions - same basic prices, and smaller content updates are free IF you are already existing player and logged in when they launched, otherwise, you have to buy them separately.
it also has a VERY expansive and expensive cash shop.
Next to that I can' t remember GW2 offering stuff in the store that offer a lot of in-game convenience/advantages like riding lessons, research and portable merchants/bankers. I have no problems with subscriptions but putting those things behind a paywall is crossing the line in my perception.
Cosmetics, sure. In-game advantages, no.
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Not paying a subscription for GW2 make a lot of difference. You save say $150 a year so even if you spend that in the gem store your are still better off, financially.GW2 charges for expansions - same basic prices, and smaller content updates are free IF you are already existing player and logged in when they launched, otherwise, you have to buy them separately.
it also has a VERY expansive and expensive cash shop.
Next to that I can' t remember GW2 offering stuff in the store that offer a lot of in-game convenience/advantages like riding lessons, research and portable merchants/bankers. I have no problems with subscriptions but putting those things behind a paywall is crossing the line in my perception.
Cosmetics, sure. In-game advantages, no.
don't quote me on it, but I think you can buy ascended mats. there is definitely gathering implements - the kind that are permanent, normal in game ones - are not, so if you gather a lot, you can run out rather quickly. portable bankers are cash shop only and unlike ESO ones - they expire after 2 weeks, i believe. expanding how many bags you can have - is cash shop only. expanding your craft bag is cash shop only. expanding your bank is cash shop only. you do get some as freebies occasionally from login rewards, so there is that. probably why they expire rather then being permanent.
I have found gold to be very difficult to make (much harder then in ESO, though it could be a personal thing) but on a plus side, at least gold to cash shop currency trading has in game UI and is MUCH safer and easier then the one in ESO.
and as I said, depending on how long you have been playing, you may have NO living world chapters unlocked whatsoever (I'd say they are equivalent to smaller ESO DLC's) and while appreciate that they are free on release, for new player who may want to play through them - the only option is to buy them from cash shop.Edited by Linaleah on June 18, 2020 5:59AMdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »
Ummmm who do you think designed guild traders? The longer you spend in the store, the more product you see. The concept of every store layout for the last 70 years or so.Anotherone773 wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.Talon_Draconis wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.Wildberryjack wrote: »It isn't any more than WoW or FFXIV, pretty in line with the industry honestly for the better MMOs.
No WOW cost $15 /month most dlc is free.
EVE is 20 bucks /m
Elite dangrous except for the first dlc been btp for the last 5 years including many updates
Like I said ESO is one of the most expensive games
That said I did put the bucks down so it's worth it but I hate the business model..gouge you for every little thing
I guess part of this depends on where you live. I'm in the UK, and for a 6 months sub on ESO I pay £41.94. When I subscribed to WoW last year a 6 months sub was £52.00. As a subscriber to ESO, DLCs are free. Only chapters are paid for, as is the case with expansions in WoW although they are less frequent.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.DreamsUnderStars wrote: »You must have bought the full version (base game with chapter/expansions + greymoor). The expansion upgrade for when you already have ESO isn't that expensive.
Yup I could have bought just greymoor for 55 bucks save maybe 15 bucks but I needed elewyer too and that was another 40 bucks also the 55 buck expansion is not listed in the Microsoft store you have to search for it
I just looked it up on the MS store. Wow That store front is horrible. What a mess. How do you find anything? Even the search results are horrible to sift through. Anyway, pretty sure you didnt have to buy Elsweyr, it should be free when the next chapter comes out out, IIRC.
Anyone who buys from guild traders should feel at home then !
On the other side there is item search now, where you just see those offers for the item you are looking for. So there is a way to go around the supermarket design and it becomes more of an online shop experience by it.
Yep only took them 5 years? to implement a basic function into the trading system. But they managed to create like 15 "crate seasons" in that time. Sorry no search function for you, would you like a new face tattoo instead?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Trust me, it is nowhere near as bad as the Sims, for that you get even less content per dollar that you spend as their definition of an expansion is even worse then this one.0 -
Shelith✭✭✭I think ESO is actually quite expensive in some ways.
The base game is OK and so are the DLCs and ESO+ imho, but that'S where it ends.
The Chapters or whatever they are called (like Greymoor) are so expensive, it's almost offensive. 50€ for little to nothing. I see people comparing ESO prices to WoW all the time, so do we really want to talk about what you get in other MMOs like WoW for a 50€ AddOn? BfA or maybe Shadowbringers in FF14? It's like day and night really. An ESO expansion is nothing more than a glorified patch that costs 50€ (and yeah I know you get the other DLCs for free with ESO+ but you get all the other content patches for free with a sub in WoW or FF14 as well, just saying)
Where it really gets bad is the crown shop. It's all optional, I know and that's fine but boy that stuff is expensive. 30€ for a vendor? 80e for a large house? All the good stuff is locked behind gamble boxes with 0.1% drop rate... that's the bad stuff.4
