Who needs a buff?

BeamsForDemacia

MagDk

@Drdeath20 my point is that there are only FEW score pushing groups U can count them in one hand if even , 4d is uncontestet almost THEY need a bis setup for EVERY other group it doesn’t matter Blade/dk/ plar as Long es individual skill is enough so if u outparse a blade in ur group as magplar which is def possible atm u can play magplar in ur group that is my point that there is no reason to not have magplars as long as they are decent players
And Second the Setup u were talking about with 5 blades is just wrong no group used / uses this composition

JayJayIsSoJay

Magblade

give siphoning major brut and sorcery, get rid of ulti cast times

Eimi

Magsorc

NupidStoob wrote: »

For PvE endgame magsorc DPS faces a few issues right now:

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Sorcerer has an identity problem (especially stamina). I wish ZoS would embrace the lightning focus of magsorc a bit more as well as the wind focus of stamsorc.

As a new player to the game I really agree with a lot of this. I picked a sorc because I like playing a mage character, though I hate pets. It's really disappointing that the class right now is really dominated by the one aspect I kind of hate. It would be cool if I could feel like Zeus throwing out lightning the way Templar gets to have a strong holy theme to everything they do. Instead the class doesn't even have a built in spamable and has to rely on either destro staff abilities or psjic order! As well abilities like Bound Aegis for mag feel really bad to have, taking up a bar slot for an okay buff. Though with the poor sustain there's no much else to do.

Overall it would be nice if the class got some consistency in it's feel, and was remade to feel like a master of Thunder if you're a magicka user or Wind if you use stamina. Overall I don't know anything about numbers really, but theme and aesthetics are really important and are really missing, if you don't want to be a summoner.

Oh and even if it's just cosmetic, add more options than just staves for magicka users. It's really boring to be locked into only one weapon type.

universal_wrath

Other

Soul magic needs a buff. 6 years and only 1 skill and ultimate so weak it is pathetic to use.

Drdeath20

Magplar

BeamsForDemacia wrote: »

@Drdeath20 my point is that there are only FEW score pushing groups U can count them in one hand if even , 4d is uncontestet almost THEY need a bis setup for EVERY other group it doesn’t matter Blade/dk/ plar as Long es individual skill is enough so if u outparse a blade in ur group as magplar which is def possible atm u can play magplar in ur group that is my point that there is no reason to not have magplars as long as they are decent players
And Second the Setup u were talking about with 5 blades is just wrong no group used / uses this composition

Dummy parses are a great way to show class knowledge and ability to maintain DoTs but then theres what actually works better in a trial. While magplars can parse = magblade there is just a sea of difference between class skills that work on a test dummy and how they actually work in real in game.

Take jesus beam vs impale. Jesus beam is cheaper and hits harder but most of the bosses have some kind of stun or block mechanic during execute. This is no big deal but when jesus beam gets interrupted there is a cool down or you only manage to get 1 tic off thus a major DPS loss in comparison to impales instant damage.

This is just 1 of many examples of a great templar skill that has some big flaws that make it not optimal for score pushing groups. They do have strengths in other areas but overall for realiable dps, better survivalbility and the best dps toolkit in the game its hands down a magblade.

On your 2nd point, like my original post said its varys from trial to trial. Vcr your gonna have 3 tanks or vas your gonna have a sorc interupter etc.. the jest of what i was saying is that magblades make of a good chunk of a optimized raid group, considering 3 dps spots are reserved for magcro's.

Im not sure why you have taken such a strong stance on that 5 magblades as dps comment when i originally wrote it soo casually. Thats not a hill im planing on dying on. I feel that i have tried to bring the conversation back to magplars a few times. I believe that in actual trials magplars are lesser dps than most other classes and everything they can do a magblade can do better aslong as their is 1 templar healer in the group.

Regardless of the amount of optimized scoring groups that exist, they exist and each trial has a setup for 1. It turns out that from trial to trial they all kinda look somewhat similar and that is why i believe most classes have a spec or role that needs some small buff to help diversify end game.

Bradyfjord

Other

It might be okay for classes to be better in some areas and not so great in others, as long as they can perform the job enough to finish the content. I think one could argue that tuning could be better in some classes' abilities, but the real determination of our ability to play the game is performance. All classes will perform better if ZOS can figure out the performance issues.

Eifleber

MagDk

I am not convinced that any class should be exaclty as good at Tanking, Healing, StamDD and MagDD both in PvE as PvP.

As long as a class can excel in at least a few of these it's basically ok with me.

Tommy_The_Gun

Stamblade

Eifleber wrote: »

I am not convinced that any class should be exaclty as good at Tanking, Healing, StamDD and MagDD both in PvE as PvP.

As long as a class can excel in at least a few of these it's basically ok with me.

Agreed, each class should have a couple of its"things" that class excels at. As for current class balance, I think that NB is the most "injured" when it comes to recent & last year changes.
It does not have single target burst that "assassin" class should have (it is almost impossible to land due to cast time stacking) and even if it lands it is kinda... "meh" ? Also it is not great at tanking & healing too.
Cloak, fear, grim focus LA stacking mechanics... it is no longer unique to the class and available for every other class, and often in superior form.

Edit:
I am "voting" for NB as a class, both mag & stam.

Yamenstein

Other

Most Magicka classes need some work.

Most, not all.

Stamina sorcerer as well, do they even exist?

Hanokihs

Other

Everyone. Combat just feels... Sad.

No matter what class and setup I play, I feel like I'm always cherry tapping everything, even the trash.

Dracane

Magsorc

Karmanorway wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

finehair wrote: »

Seems like no one even remembers stamsorcs are a thing in this game lol.
And it has less votes than magsorc hahahahahahahahahahahaha

IKR 😂 In a whole day If i go to BGs or cyro, i will maybe meet 3 - 6 stamsorcs at most, in a whole day lol

Feel free to visit no CP Imperial City some time. Stamina Sorcerer is the meta class here. Here you see how truly ridiculous this spec is when all the whining grows silent.

You will see plenty of stamina nightblades, but also packs of stamina sorcerers tearing everything to shreds. You just look at the few stamina class morphs it has and think its bad. But its power lies in this simplicity and efficience.

I will admit i never go to noCP IC, so i wouldnt know i will definately go there and see If this is true. Stamsorc IS bad, you of all ppl should know that. I mean GO and magsorc, no coincidence u stuck with the mag version so long 😊

I am just not a warrior. I always play mages in all games.
I have seen you yesterday in the city. You play a brawler stamsorc. That is commendable, but not meta.
You have to make a dot build and stack proc sets like Venomous Smite and use Flurry. That is what they all play and it's ridiculous. Look for a stamsorc named Azznox. He shows you how crazy it is.

gepe87

MagDk

Expensive skills and most of them purgeable.

Stealthk80

Is this pvp? Dont care

Pve? Magcro needs a slight buff, its lacklustre at the moment without bfb compared to a few other mag classes, but will always get a spot cause of mv. Theyre very strong in aoe, not sure how you buff st with out overpowering st

Athyrium93

MagDk

DKs feel like they could use some love, at least at low levels. I wouldn't know about end game since I gave up on my DK at level 15ish. My poor DK has already had two respecs swapping between mag and stam and just feels sad. I've got one of every other class (trying to find a class I like better than my magplar since she is supposed to just be a healer but gets gear swapped to play dps all the time) maybe at later levels DKs get better but so far the class is just painful to play.

Tigerseye

Other

Oops, meant to select Wardens...

Tigerseye

Other

JinMori wrote: »

They all need something, some classes more than others.

I am not one for this "buff this nerf that", every class should get improvements. But i'm not expecting anything from zos.

Yeah, I just want perfect balance.

Is that really too much to ask?

Mayrael

Magblade

Magblades and next stamblades. And hers why:

Their toolkit has been given around to everyone leaving them with nothing uniqe.

Fear? Turn evil, Hypnosis all are better than mass hysteria, not to mention streak which not only works like fear, but also deals damage, has greater range and is gap opener.

Assassin's will? Bound armaments.

Cloak? Vampire stage 4.

Ambush/Lotus fan (aka teleport gapcloser which is most clumsy gapcloser of all)? Flying blade with extra features.

Refreshing path? Taken from NB and given to Templar as ritual of retribution.

It's the only class with cast time on 2 ults!

It's the only class that have to run heavy armor to have access to reasonable major resolve.

NB has been stripped of his uniqe moves while getting nothing in return. This class has no identity, no real power. Everything NB does, someone else can do better.

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Deathlord92

Magblade easily needs a buff slight damage boost and minor mending back on swallow soul and purge back on dark cloak should do the trick.

kalunte

Other

a few cast time and delays removal would do the job for many ppl ^^ travel times can still exist for everyone tho

caperb

Stamblade

For PvP: nightblade, dragonknight and stamsorc.
For PvP: it doesn't matter as long as you learn the raids.

Chevaliemew

Magblade

Make it melee viable like it was till 2.4

Magblade has a a potential for having strong class identity. Currently there is only 6-7 class skills we are using while it was possible to have 10-11 with only healing ward and possible detonation as non class abilities.

Kittytravel

Stamblade

Chose Stamblade but I really wish I could choose multiples because of how hard so many classes under perform.
I'm surprised to see Magblade up there but maybe the standings have changed drastically; last I checked Magblade sits at among the strongest in DPS rankings only falling short in a few select dungeons.

Stamblade has sat pretty low in the rankings several times at the bottom since Elsweyrs release and still barely hits above the bottom class combination on an average run.
It's hard to buff them because of their cloak abuse in PvP and how frustrating they were in Summerset but I think the way to handle it is to create a stamina ground effect like Path of Darkness variant; something they can use for high dps but can't be abused in PvP since they have cloak.

Stamsorc, Magwarden, Stamblade, and Stamwarden all need a little love though as of the most recent patches; they are all a very far cry on average parses from the top dpsing classes (not in the hands of top players) for PvE. You can always look at the dungeon statistics on ESO logs to see this stuff. (Iron Atronach works too but is also less realistic.)

That's my two cents though; buffing ground AoE effects or reworking some into these classes can make it safer for them to preform well in PvE without adding an large amount of power to PvP gameplay.

coop500

Other

Werewolves

Xologamer

Stamblade

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

We have no identity.

your identity = streak isnt that enought xD?

Xologamer

Stamblade

Vevvev wrote: »

Vampire

A bunch of utility skills, a terrible heal, and a stun with the worst set of rules doesn't make for a fun playstyle.

all vampire skills (without the skill which gives u weap/spell dmg) are very good pls keep them as they are

TheValkyn

Other

Buff me plz. Only me though.

Karmanorway

Stamsorc

Dracane wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

finehair wrote: »

Seems like no one even remembers stamsorcs are a thing in this game lol.
And it has less votes than magsorc hahahahahahahahahahahaha

IKR 😂 In a whole day If i go to BGs or cyro, i will maybe meet 3 - 6 stamsorcs at most, in a whole day lol

Feel free to visit no CP Imperial City some time. Stamina Sorcerer is the meta class here. Here you see how truly ridiculous this spec is when all the whining grows silent.

You will see plenty of stamina nightblades, but also packs of stamina sorcerers tearing everything to shreds. You just look at the few stamina class morphs it has and think its bad. But its power lies in this simplicity and efficience.

I will admit i never go to noCP IC, so i wouldnt know i will definately go there and see If this is true. Stamsorc IS bad, you of all ppl should know that. I mean GO and magsorc, no coincidence u stuck with the mag version so long 😊

I am just not a warrior. I always play mages in all games.
I have seen you yesterday in the city. You play a brawler stamsorc. That is commendable, but not meta.
You have to make a dot build and stack proc sets like Venomous Smite and use Flurry. That is what they all play and it's ridiculous. Look for a stamsorc named Azznox. He shows you how crazy it is.

Yea ive noticed, proc sets just isnt my style, but i may try it If i dont find anything better. Yes ive met aznoxx in BGs, venomous + blight seed i think it was, and I remember that name just because how OP it was, and because i never meet stamsorcs in there normally. It reminded me of the viper + tremorscale days 🤣

Ardaghion

I don’t need a buff, I need a hug!

Dracane

Magsorc

Karmanorway wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

finehair wrote: »

Seems like no one even remembers stamsorcs are a thing in this game lol.
And it has less votes than magsorc hahahahahahahahahahahaha

IKR 😂 In a whole day If i go to BGs or cyro, i will maybe meet 3 - 6 stamsorcs at most, in a whole day lol

Feel free to visit no CP Imperial City some time. Stamina Sorcerer is the meta class here. Here you see how truly ridiculous this spec is when all the whining grows silent.

You will see plenty of stamina nightblades, but also packs of stamina sorcerers tearing everything to shreds. You just look at the few stamina class morphs it has and think its bad. But its power lies in this simplicity and efficience.

I will admit i never go to noCP IC, so i wouldnt know i will definately go there and see If this is true. Stamsorc IS bad, you of all ppl should know that. I mean GO and magsorc, no coincidence u stuck with the mag version so long 😊

I am just not a warrior. I always play mages in all games.
I have seen you yesterday in the city. You play a brawler stamsorc. That is commendable, but not meta.
You have to make a dot build and stack proc sets like Venomous Smite and use Flurry. That is what they all play and it's ridiculous. Look for a stamsorc named Azznox. He shows you how crazy it is.

Yea ive noticed, proc sets just isnt my style, but i may try it If i dont find anything better. Yes ive met aznoxx in BGs, venomous + blight seed i think it was, and I remember that name just because how OP it was, and because i never meet stamsorcs in there normally. It reminded me of the viper + tremorscale days 🤣

Yes that is what he is using. And root spam and some other stuff.
Last night he was in the city with streak instead of ball of lightning. That made him a lot easier to deal with, as it was his main defense.

He uses Werewolf as well, which seems scary.