Most DLC normal dungeons are solo/duoable

spartaxoxo

I see so many posts about fake tanks, healers, and DDs over the years. I can understand it when it's certain vet content, but a lot of the the normal dungeons are easily done solo. Many of the things that require multiple people by hard mechanics can be done with just 1 other person.

If you make it your goal to do these things, you'll never have to worry about a fake role again, at least on normal.

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Taleof2Cities

The only catch is there isn't a lot of rewards for normal dungeons, @spartaxoxo.

No monster helms.

One key for pledges.

Reduced chance of motif drops.

Blue gear.

So, unless you're farming specific sets, there isn't much reason to be in a normal dungeon.

Vietfox

I'm pretty sure most of these complaints, if not all, are related to vet dungeons, not normal ones.
I personally don't care if their roles are fake or not in normal. I still rather queue than solo them though, it takes less time to complete them.

Starlock

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

Integral1900

Solo lol... from what I can see at the moment this game is doing such a bad job of teaching its own mechanics that quite a lot of players seem to be struggling with overland let alone group dungeons 😆

FrancisCrawford

Neither my wife @DarcyMardin nor I has ever completed the Theater of Frozen Blood in VMA. But we have duoed 24 different group dungeons.

Yes, duoing normal dungeons is good content for non-elite players.

Chilly-McFreeze

Integral1900 wrote: »

Solo lol... from what I can see at the moment this game is doing such a bad job of teaching its own mechanics that quite a lot of players seem to be struggling with overland let alone group dungeons 😆

Ironically they would learn a lot more (and suffer less later) if this huge story part of the game wasn't such a complete faceroll.

bmnoble

I am sure every player has a different understanding of what "easily done" means.

zvavi

:queues as tank/dd for vDLC:
:Expects tanks to taunt and dds to dd:

Blasphemous.

MerguezMan

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Really, most DLC dungeons ?
- Moograve
- Maarselok
- Malatar
- Frostvault
- Moon keep
- March of sacrfices
- Fang lair
- Scalecaller peak
- Bloodroot forge
- Falkreath hold
- Mazzatun
- Cradle of shadows
- imperial city prison
- white gold tower

Most of those, solo, easy ? ... any class ?

Dusk_Coven

Starlock wrote: »

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

On top of that, you've just done 4x the work at over 4x the amount of time probably and still only got 1x the reward. And no chance of Random Queue reward either.

We should have a proper Solo dungeon instead with Solo Random Queue where you have to do what dungeon is drawn or you have a 1 hour timeout from queueing any random at all.

mairwen85

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

On top of that, you've just done 4x the work at over 4x the amount of time probably and still only got 1x the reward. And no chance of Random Queue reward either.

We should have a proper Solo dungeon instead with Solo Random Queue where you have to do what dungeon is drawn or you have a 1 hour timeout from queueing any random at all.

But if they were scaled down to solo playable, then people would complain about those being too easy.

Ashtaris

Most DLC normal dungeons? I call BS on that one. Perhaps a few can be solo’d, and certainly most of the base game group dungeons can be solo’d. But I think you are stretching it a bit when you state DLC normals.

Grandchamp1989

Surely it should be the impatient "fake role" guy that should be doing solo content, and not the dd that've been waiting 20 minutes to get into a group.

Grandchamp1989

MerguezMan wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Really, most DLC dungeons ?
- Moograve
- Maarselok
- Malatar
- Frostvault
- Moon keep
- March of sacrfices
- Fang lair
- Scalecaller peak
- Bloodroot forge
- Falkreath hold
- Mazzatun
- Cradle of shadows
- imperial city prison
- white gold tower

Most of those, solo, easy ? ... any class ?

meh, A few got really optimized builds, but even then you have to optimize your build for solo which means more lifesteal and healing spells on your bar which ruin your normal rotation.

There's a huge different between hard solo content and queing up for group DPS.

You need way more survivability for hard solo content.

Dusk_Coven

mairwen85 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

On top of that, you've just done 4x the work at over 4x the amount of time probably and still only got 1x the reward. And no chance of Random Queue reward either.

We should have a proper Solo dungeon instead with Solo Random Queue where you have to do what dungeon is drawn or you have a 1 hour timeout from queueing any random at all.

But if they were scaled down to solo playable, then people would complain about those being too easy.

You don't need to scale down anything for a lot of them to be easy. Fungal Grotto 1 is the obvious case but a lot of non-DLC and some of the newest DLC ones are already easy for a full team.
There will always be people yelling that such-and-such is "easy". Like the OP for example. But they are not everyone who plays the game. There are new players too. Remember them?

A Solo version should feel just as hard as the 4-person version when done by a full, proper, THDD team. Not necessarily as hard as an easy dungeon bulldozed by four high-CP solo-build DDs.

mairwen85

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

On top of that, you've just done 4x the work at over 4x the amount of time probably and still only got 1x the reward. And no chance of Random Queue reward either.

We should have a proper Solo dungeon instead with Solo Random Queue where you have to do what dungeon is drawn or you have a 1 hour timeout from queueing any random at all.

But if they were scaled down to solo playable, then people would complain about those being too easy.

You don't need to scale down anything for a lot of them to be easy. Fungal Grotto 1 is the obvious case but a lot of non-DLC and some of the newest DLC ones are already easy for a full team.
There will always be people yelling that such-and-such is "easy". Like the OP for example. But they are not everyone who plays the game. There are new players too. Remember them?

A Solo version should feel just as hard as the 4-person version when done by a full, proper, THDD team. Not necessarily as hard as an easy dungeon bulldozed by four high-CP solo-build DDs.

OK, I see what you mean. The same difficulty without scaling but rewards that are fitting for having completed it solo. Essentially then the only change to the dungeon would be the reward which would be provided from the queue mode (solo).

That would fix so many complaints.

NupidStoob

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

. . .

By what percentage of the player base?

You can do it. No, that doesn’t mean everyone else can too.

On top of that, you've just done 4x the work at over 4x the amount of time probably and still only got 1x the reward. And no chance of Random Queue reward either.

We should have a proper Solo dungeon instead with Solo Random Queue where you have to do what dungeon is drawn or you have a 1 hour timeout from queueing any random at all.

The point is that people don't need to whine about a fake tank in normal dungeons as it is easily soloable so a fake tank won't make it harder at all. He didn't say you should stop bothering playing in group and only go solo...

Margha_Ralmoren

MerguezMan wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Really, most DLC dungeons ?
- Moograve
- Maarselok
- Malatar
- Frostvault
- Moon keep
- March of sacrfices
- Fang lair
- Scalecaller peak
- Bloodroot forge
- Falkreath hold
- Mazzatun
- Cradle of shadows
- imperial city prison
- white gold tower

Most of those, solo, easy ? ... any class ?

On normal, White gold tower and Falkreath are pretty easy and can be soloed on any class. In Falkreath as long as you roll dodge the wallbreakers heavy attacks you're fine. Other dungeons are technically doable but much harder and some have boss mechanics that prevent you from soloing them.

L_Nici

Moongrave: Didn't try yet
Maarselok: Yes
Malatar: Didn't try yet
Frostvault: No, the last boss would take ages
Moon keep: No, would propably fail very early on thanks to that stupid healplants.
March of Sacrifices: Yes
Scalecaller Peak: Yes
Bloodroot forge: Propably doable but the last boss could be pretty challenging
Falkreath hold: Yes, if you are fast enough to cleanse the corpses (Sorc)
Mazzatun: Yes
Cradle of Shadows: Yes
Imperial city prison: Yes
White Gold Tower: Yes
Icereach: Definetely yes...I spend ages in there since no one wanted to farm with me, so I did it alone again and again...

FrancisCrawford

Margha_Ralmoren wrote: »

MerguezMan wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Really, most DLC dungeons ?
- Moograve
- Maarselok
- Malatar
- Frostvault
- Moon keep
- March of sacrfices
- Fang lair
- Scalecaller peak
- Bloodroot forge
- Falkreath hold
- Mazzatun
- Cradle of shadows
- imperial city prison
- white gold tower

Most of those, solo, easy ? ... any class ?

On normal, White gold tower and Falkreath are pretty easy and can be soloed on any class. In Falkreath as long as you roll dodge the wallbreakers heavy attacks you're fine. Other dungeons are technically doable but much harder and some have boss mechanics that prevent you from soloing them.

How does one solo the Adjudicator? Burn her before she first cages you, or break out of the cage very quickly, or what?

FrancisCrawford

L_Nici wrote: »

Imperial city prison: Yes

I thought there was a mechanism that involved pulling two gate-opening switches at once, or something like that. Am I misremembering?

Eifleber

I believe you, I have healed almost all dungeons on vet and usually monster dps isn't all that devastating if you know where to watch out for.

It may take a while to grind through all of it, though.

The things about fake tank fake healer / fake DD is more about people not doing what they applied for than making the run impossible because of that.

Margha_Ralmoren

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Margha_Ralmoren wrote: »

MerguezMan wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I can do it and I'm not wearing any of the newer vet trial gear. You can too!

Really, most DLC dungeons ?
- Moograve
- Maarselok
- Malatar
- Frostvault
- Moon keep
- March of sacrfices
- Fang lair
- Scalecaller peak
- Bloodroot forge
- Falkreath hold
- Mazzatun
- Cradle of shadows
- imperial city prison
- white gold tower

Most of those, solo, easy ? ... any class ?

On normal, White gold tower and Falkreath are pretty easy and can be soloed on any class. In Falkreath as long as you roll dodge the wallbreakers heavy attacks you're fine. Other dungeons are technically doable but much harder and some have boss mechanics that prevent you from soloing them.

How does one solo the Adjudicator? Burn her before she first cages you, or break out of the cage very quickly, or what?

She won't reset right away if she still has dots on her and/or if you have pets in combat (sorcerer daedras, nightblade shade, warden bear, necro skeleton, or pets that spawn from specific sets). There's less risk of her resetting if you can open your cage quickly and fight asap of course.

L_Nici

@FrancisCrawford There are levers yes, but as far as I know they don't need to be pulled at the same time.

Thannazzar

In essence it breaks down like this:

Non DLC Normals = Faceroll

DLC Normals & NonDLC Vet(inc Hardmode) = Paying attention to mechanics helps complete

DLC Vet = You must have good group and Understand Mechanics (ie PUGs rarely work well)

Artemiisia

spartaxoxo

Vietfox wrote: »

I'm pretty sure most of these complaints, if not all, are related to vet dungeons, not normal ones.
I personally don't care if their roles are fake or not in normal. I still rather queue than solo them though, it takes less time to complete them.

I see a bunch of complaints about normal. Im fact some dude was ranting about in zone too not too long ago about stupid teammates in normal scalecaller.

And I've soloed scalecaller lol.

FrancisCrawford

I was careless and didn't check the thread title.

To be clear, up to this point the only DLC dungeons my wife and I have duoed are the IC ones. And we struggled with those.

deleted221106-002999

Margha_Ralmoren wrote: »

On normal, White gold tower ...can be soloed on any class.

For Adjudicator, only the pet sorc trick demonstrably works, any other class not so much. Templars - no chance. So that's not 'any' class.

And dots are insufficient. Cage break-out has to be instant otherwise reset - in short, pet sorcs and wardens(maybe? - couldn't find any warden examples) are viable, most if not all other classes would depend on rng - you know that bit when you're inside the cage and it takes a few seconds for the prompt to exit cage via lock pick/force to appear which is often far too long so reset occurs.

Of course, I'd happily be proved wrong with a video of 'all' classes soloing the Adjudicator in normal wgt using the mechanics you have described.

edit: link fix

Linaleah

any class =/= every person.

I was in a group the other day for unhallowed grave and one of the dps thanked the group, because they were trying to finish that dungeon All. DAY. and that was the first run when they actualy succeeded.

when my SO was still playing, we duoed almost every normal dungeon available at that time. (we gave up on moonhunter keep, and maybe we could have eventually gotten it done, but he lost interest in ESO)

quite a few DLC dungeons have us some serious trouble (moonhunter keep being the worst). some we managed with a few learning pains, and a few we walked away from, to try again later with different gear/skill setups. I'm on a lower end of mediocre. he was very decent. we managed but it was certainly NOT easy.

you can solo these? congratulation you are in a top percentile of players. vast VAST majority of players are nowhere near that.

"if i can do it, anyone can" is NOT actualy the case. at all.