More Princesses...Really?

asuitandtyb14_ESO

I dealt with Khamira for a year. Like or hate her character, that was a thing for an entire year. Are we really doing this again in Skyrim with Svana, another reluctant princess? I don't have anything against princesses, but the shtick is getting a bit stale. The least they could have done was a prince, or better no heir, but perhaps an up and coming thane with political prospects. Something, anything that was creatively new. Rant over.

Iccotak

Nemesis7884

they are completely different characters...

Katheriah

Who else will marry Jorunn's kid?

MartiniDaniels

Phew, original She-Ra was so much better... I start to understand where ZOS has taken inspiration for female scion ><

I guess 2020 female should have shoulders twice wider then hips for whatever reason..

Banana

I like the fancy ladies. If I wanted to see sausage I'd go to work

dinokstrunz

Slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay queeeeeeeen lol

Ectheliontnacil

The only princess I liked was the pig from the festival.

But it's a fantasy game so you will encounter droves of chosen ones, brave princesses and charming rogues even though those tropes are heavily overused and boring.

Thevampirenight

Hey Svana is Awesome. She would make a wonderful Queen for Solitude!.

Rye_puff

I love princesses.

Lintashi

Yes, Khamira and Svana are too similar. Can we have a prince next please? Or older person, who is wise? Like female version of Abnur Tharn? And also, I would like characters to change clothes to armor, when they visit dangerous places, especially alone.

Animus-ESO

If this keeps up all of Tamriel will be run by women.

mikikatze

Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »

If this keeps up all of Tamriel will be run by women.

What an improvement that would be.

TheShadowScout

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Phew, original She-Ra was so much better... I start to understand where ZOS has taken inspiration for female scion ><

Errr...

...okay, so I liked the new She-ra much, Much, MUCH better then the original.
Not in the least because the baddies there are depicted with far more depth... and some of them actually get to have a happy end once they make up for their mistakes!



But hey, each to their own, right?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I guess 2020 female should have shoulders twice wider then hips for whatever reason..

Remember where you are posting this!
Look at the numerous discussions about unsightly shoulder pieces in some armor styles here on the forums... seems that She-ra just has the same issue as many in ESO?

Lintashi wrote: »

Yes, Khamira and Svana are too similar.

Only in the fact that both are princesses that have the responsibilities of their birth thrust upon them.
One starts as special agent of the mane, the other as tavern mead-drinker. One becomes queen, the other lives in a region where blood alone is not enough to secure the right to rule and thus has a lot more work ahead of her before she might get a crown. One was beloved by her parents when they were still alive, the other is estranged from her father. One has many allies among the khajiit, the other... can only count a drunken orc as her friend.

Lintashi wrote: »

Can we have a prince next please?

Well, we had that with Jorunns brat... uhhh... son. And kinda with the dominion... Naemon did hold the title, did he not? But yeah, I for one would love to see princes too... heck, I would wish the game refitted kids so they could do the "prince too young to take the throne, regent is a schemer/ess" cliché somewhere...

Lintashi wrote: »

Or older person, who is wise? Like female version of Abnur Tharn?

You mean... like Old Mjolen in Hjaalmarch who helps Fennorian with the mystical aspects of unraveling the harrowstorms? I loved her off-hand comments about the sloppy magic of the ice necromantrix...

Lintashi wrote: »

And also, I would like characters to change clothes to armor, when they visit dangerous places, especially alone.

Agreed.
I really had hoped they might do this for the princess of solitude... to show where she goes from "useless princess" to "nord shield maiden"... but alas, paths not taken.

amapola76

Oh, no, two whole women in positions of minor power, in a row! Won't someone think of all those, poor powerless men! Never mind that the entire DC is run by male kings, or let's see, isn't there a male tree-thane in Grahtwood? Oh, wait, don't we have some fairly powerful men in the EP, too? So "overused" and "stale", all those male kings, why can't they come up with something fresh and new?

/s, obviously.

amapola76

The point of the sarcasm is that you are viewing male power as the default, and any deviation from that as simply an element to spice up the storytelling a bit. From that perspective, of course, this would look like repetition.

The problem is, that's a ludicrous default perspective, not just in a real-life sense, but from a "consistency with lore" viewpoint.

Now, the whole "reluctant and/or inexperienced hero" thing? If you find the whole hero's journey trope to be repetitive, you can blame it on Joseph Campbell. Or, like, Ovid and Homer and Sophocles. ESO is far from the first to dip from that well, and they won't be the last.

MartiniDaniels

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Phew, original She-Ra was so much better... I start to understand where ZOS has taken inspiration for female scion ><

Errr...

...okay, so I liked the new She-ra much, Much, MUCH better then the original.
Not in the least because the baddies there are depicted with far more depth... and some of them actually get to have a happy end once they make up for their mistakes!



But hey, each to their own, right?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I guess 2020 female should have shoulders twice wider then hips for whatever reason..

Remember where you are posting this!
Look at the numerous discussions about unsightly shoulder pieces in some armor styles here on the forums... seems that She-ra just has the same issue as many in ESO?

I didn't even knew about new version of She-ra before this thread and I don't remember much about initial series (I was 5 y.o or something like that when it was on TV in my country), but I remember that transformed She-Ra was so stunning, that even small children were impressed and everybody run from the street to look at show, despite action itself was beyond our comprehension, and when I looked at that new picture with those shoulders and Legolas's face expression I was like... eh, wtf, she reminds me of blood scion

Vanos444

Who even really cares about the story in ESO. Anyways!
It's not like WoW or FFXIV a progressive story.
In ESO, we all end up dying and forgotten. Once "The elder scroll" start...

TheShadowScout

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I didn't even knew about new version of She-ra before this thread and I don't remember much about initial series (I was 5 y.o or something like that when it was on TV in my country), but I remember that transformed She-Ra was so stunning, that even small children were impressed and everybody run from the street to look at show, despite action itself was beyond our comprehension, and when I looked at that new picture with those shoulders and Legolas's face expression I was like... eh, wtf, she reminds me of blood scion

As I said, to each their own.
Me, I prefer the new version, as the outfit looks a tad more "warrior" and less "exotic dancer" to me... but hey, that is -my- aestetic preference. Different people like different things.

As for the expression... well, animation style and all that.
Not like there isn't enough artwork of both in different styles... and yeah, even there I prefer the more "armored" look of the new outfit design.


And honestly, I tend to look more at the villains anyhow, and the new "cat-girl Catra" is much more fun!

Again, in my eyes.

ArchMikem

This issue is really needing more than one thread now? Who cares if it's another Woman, Tamriel's lore has had notable females throughout the Eras. This isn't Earth, its Nirn, and this is Nirn's thing.

I can't believe people claim they've been "dealing" with a character.

indigorune

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Phew, original She-Ra was so much better... I start to understand where ZOS has taken inspiration for female scion ><

Errr...

...okay, so I liked the new She-ra much, Much, MUCH better then the original.
Not in the least because the baddies there are depicted with far more depth... and some of them actually get to have a happy end once they make up for their mistakes!



But hey, each to their own, right?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I guess 2020 female should have shoulders twice wider then hips for whatever reason..

Remember where you are posting this!
Look at the numerous discussions about unsightly shoulder pieces in some armor styles here on the forums... seems that She-ra just has the same issue as many in ESO?

I didn't even knew about new version of She-ra before this thread and I don't remember much about initial series (I was 5 y.o or something like that when it was on TV in my country), but I remember that transformed She-Ra was so stunning, that even small children were impressed and everybody run from the street to look at show, despite action itself was beyond our comprehension, and when I looked at that new picture with those shoulders and Legolas's face expression I was like... eh, wtf, she reminds me of blood scion

Well, my 5 year old daughter LOVES the new one, just like you loved the old one when you were 5, so I suppose they did something right!

VoxAdActa

"Two women is too much! Men are being displaced! This is SJW nonsense!"

k.

MartiniDaniels

n0tthesun wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Phew, original She-Ra was so much better... I start to understand where ZOS has taken inspiration for female scion ><

Errr...

...okay, so I liked the new She-ra much, Much, MUCH better then the original.
Not in the least because the baddies there are depicted with far more depth... and some of them actually get to have a happy end once they make up for their mistakes!



But hey, each to their own, right?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I guess 2020 female should have shoulders twice wider then hips for whatever reason..

Remember where you are posting this!
Look at the numerous discussions about unsightly shoulder pieces in some armor styles here on the forums... seems that She-ra just has the same issue as many in ESO?

I didn't even knew about new version of She-ra before this thread and I don't remember much about initial series (I was 5 y.o or something like that when it was on TV in my country), but I remember that transformed She-Ra was so stunning, that even small children were impressed and everybody run from the street to look at show, despite action itself was beyond our comprehension, and when I looked at that new picture with those shoulders and Legolas's face expression I was like... eh, wtf, she reminds me of blood scion

Well, my 5 year old daughter LOVES the new one, just like you loved the old one when you were 5, so I suppose they did something right!

Ha-ha, yes, I guess expectations of every generation are very different. Anyway I just looked trailer on youtube, and young Adora looks reasonable in cartoon, not like in that picture which google spits out first, so my comparison with Blood Scion is wrong
I withdrew here, I was wrong, like always happens when I lend somebody's else experience instead of my own and don't double check it... ><

VaranisArano

Khamira may have been in a position of power, but she was also sharing screen time with Abnur Tharn, Cadwell, and a bunch of other men. Euraxia was the only other major woman I recall, and she shared top villain-billing with Zumog Phoom and the male dragons.

I haven't played Greymoor yet, but ZOS has a history of handling plot armor badly. I enjoyed Summerset because it felt like anyone could die. I cared when characters were in danger. I disliked Morrowind because, well, the entire effing plot was lacking all suspense if you played TES3. There was no way Vivec or his city was going to bite the dust, and no way we were going to get a Nerevarine ahead of schedule. Obvious plot armor ruins stories because it saps player investment in the characters.

TheShadowScout

VaranisArano wrote: »

Obvious plot armor ruins stories because it saps player investment in the characters.

Agreed.
Its much more enjoyable when you never know what might happen... I love stories where things get twisted around on that sort of "but... plot armor!" expectations!

Lyserus

VaranisArano wrote: »

Khamira may have been in a position of power, but she was also sharing screen time with Abnur Tharn, Cadwell, and a bunch of other men. Euraxia was the only other major woman I recall, and she shared top villain-billing with Zumog Phoom and the male dragons.

I haven't played Greymoor yet, but ZOS has a history of handling plot armor badly. I enjoyed Summerset because it felt like anyone could die. I cared when characters were in danger. I disliked Morrowind because, well, the entire effing plot was lacking all suspense if you played TES3. There was no way Vivec or his city was going to bite the dust, and no way we were going to get a Nerevarine ahead of schedule. Obvious plot armor ruins stories because it saps player investment in the characters.

And sadly, if you played Greymoor Varanis, you as an long time player would guess the story right from the start.

Also I think once ZOS settled on "play in any order you want it's the same year same time" policy, the story basically stops being interesting.. because any returning characters just can't die, you know it because 1.They have part to play in the older content and 2.ZOS will bring them back even with a weak-a reason since they are popular character

Like how Abnur Tharn ends in dragonhold, ZOS wouldn't give a certain answer, and we all know he's gonna return, so players no longer cares, we all know he is not dead

Czekoludek

Mine problem is that stories in ESO are so repetitive. And hardly any of new characters are well written. Don't know if it is like this because lack of time or creativity but story and ppl could use some better writing.

Jacarranda

idk

I do not understand.

If we have two princes in a row vs two princesses in a row would we see a thread complaining about that? To me, it seems irrelevant as long as the story is good.

Heck, in the base game we had two kings and a queen. Why not two queens and a king? No one really complained about it because it was not a big deal as long as the stories were good.

robertthebard

Is anyone else stuck on the "I don't have a problem with princesses" in a thread that suggests a problem with more princesses?

kichwas

VaranisArano wrote: »

I disliked Morrowind because, well, the entire effing plot was lacking all suspense if you played TES3. There was no way Vivec or his city was going to bite the dust, and no way we were going to get a Nerevarine ahead of schedule. Obvious plot armor ruins stories because it saps player investment in the characters.

The entirety of ESO has this problem.

We know that in a little over a thousand years the dragons are gone, the high elves are basically brown-shirts following an elf version of a guy with a weird salute and short mustache, the argonians are slaves again, the dark elves have lost everything, the wood elves and khajiit have lost everything and often simply hunted by the high elves, the nords are racists again, the imperials are lording it over everyone again, and the redguards still look like the 'black sidekick' in a Hollywood Sinbad movie...

It's especially bad if you play AD in ESO... you know that basically every last thing you are fighting for will fail within a few generations, and the people you stop right now - will win so overwhelmingly that the 'Elven-Purity Reich' will basically rule for a thousand years...

I hate prequels...

In any fiction...

Because you always go in knowing how it will end.

I wish ESO had been set 1000 years AFTER Skyrim and not before. Then I would feel like my character's action mattered... (even if the only thing that really matters if what the writers at Bethesda had planned for the next game... at least I wouldn't have a giant spoiler over my head over every last thing I did).