Rich Lambert's stance on perfected master and maelstrom weapons

Aedrion

This is a petty decision.

Updating the weapons to perfect is as easy as finding the itemID in the database, updating those, then adding the new normal weapons as new itemID's. Anyone who has ever seen a game's database knows this.

The only reason they decided on this is because it didn't sit well with them to give us anything 'for free' or miss an opportunity to revivify old content for more hours clocked.

They weighed this decision and decided they'd rather *** off a few people for more played hours than make the logical choice and miss out on that. Petty.

Rich's reasoning is also so transparent that it's bewildering he didn't have a more founded reason for this considering his position at ZoS.

heaven13

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I'll preface this by saying that I really have no feeling one way or the other. I'm still pretty new, so even nMA seems pretty daunting. I'm also not the type to go chasing after specific weapon sets to chase a meta (and even if I were, the BRP and Master's SnB are more to my playstyle, the MA one is a skill I don't use as often). Besides, I know I'd have to grind it twice since I'd need a sword and a shield, so that adds another level of 'ugh' to that.

Just as a bit of an aside, when the S&B set drops, it drops both a 1-handed weapon and a shield. Could be an axe or a mace or a dagger instead of a sword, but it will give you the pieces required to get the set bonus.

Chicharron

Greymoor opens tomorrow, I don't think ZOS will change his mind.

Richard has not killed anyone, I do not understand so much hatred just for a video game.

I propose a Month of double drops in vMA, it does not solve the "problem" but it helps a little.

tomofhyrule

heaven13 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I'll preface this by saying that I really have no feeling one way or the other. I'm still pretty new, so even nMA seems pretty daunting. I'm also not the type to go chasing after specific weapon sets to chase a meta (and even if I were, the BRP and Master's SnB are more to my playstyle, the MA one is a skill I don't use as often). Besides, I know I'd have to grind it twice since I'd need a sword and a shield, so that adds another level of 'ugh' to that.

Just as a bit of an aside, when the S&B set drops, it drops both a 1-handed weapon and a shield. Could be an axe or a mace or a dagger instead of a sword, but it will give you the pieces required to get the set bonus.

Oh really? That's cool!

I may eventually try my hand at this, but I'm still getting used to my playstyle. Now that I'm in the CP levels, I'm realizing that my tank has almost negative weapon damage, so I need to find a way to play even overland without spending hours on mobs. But I can basically go afk without dying, so that's good.

CleymenZero

silvereyes wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".

The only peasant thing about this issue is the idea that it's about elitism.

Those ideas might come from the minds of individuals excluded from groups because of lack of competence.

While I agree that the core issue isn't about lording vet weapons over anyone, can you at least take a step back and reflect on how condescending that sweeping generalization sounds?

I understand nobody likes being called elitist or entitled, but nobody likes to be called incompetent either. We're all here to play games and have fun. Please stop with the name-calling and loaded language. It's not helpful.

I don't know what the issue is with the reality that people can't be part of any group they want to be in? I'm comfortable with the fact that I'm not going to be in a top tier group because I'm not as skilled as them. If I'm not comfortable, I at least understand and accept why it is so.

I can still get the top achievements, it'll just take me more time. If you're less skilled than others that's just it. There are a lot less players that are less skilled than I but there are still a lot of players that are better and that's just the way things are.

Making it a class thing (elitist VS peasants) is the worst offender here as it puts players VS players when all that is being discussed here is how arbitrary the whole situation is.

And you know what? I'm irritated that the person believes it is about elitism. I can't see any other reason why that person would've pitched his point in way that made players that have those weapons call the ones that don't peasants. That person was probably hurt and I may not have expressed it in the best way but I found the tone of the message I responded to, to be somewhat vengeful and therefore couldn't think of any other reason than being excluded in the past as a motivation to spin the issue to be about elitism.

heaven13

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

mairwen85

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

If you already had normal weapons which were being modified, yes. However, those don't exist, they are a new addition to the game. So Rich is correct, those new items need to be farmed (and I'm happy they are available; I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to get them). The existing weapons/rewards for veteran content on the other hand, shouldn't be retrofitted into lower tier content. People who completed veteran content for veteran rewards shouldn't auto-magically now have their rewards transformed into normal rewards -- they didn't earn them in normal content.

CleymenZero

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

Mostly time and ressources. The time to refarm items and resources to upgrade them.

I'm sorry for not being clearer, I thought it was obvious.

virtus753

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

No, I don't agree, because norm has never dropped any form of "The Maelstrom's" weapons. They are new to norm.

(To be clear, I'm glad that norm will now get some form of arena weapons. I'm aggrieved that in less than 24 hours there will be no difference between an example of "The Maelstrom's Bow" that was earned on vet today and one that was earned on norm tomorrow. It undermines the function of these weapons as signifiers and therefore much of their significance.)

The vet rewards are effectively getting a buff; they are not a wholly different or new reward. This is not the way the devs choose to see it, but it is the closest analogy to how the game has been run for the last 3.5 years. The devs are attempting to change the m.o. here to encourage people to (re)grind 5- and 6-year-old content that is not being changed at all, much less in any way that justifies considering these perfection versions as "new" rewards.

HowlKimchi

heaven13 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

mairwen85

HaruKamui wrote: »

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

No, people are hurt that their time and effort spent farming veteran rewards result in time and effort spent farming normal rewards. Not about accessibility of those rewards at all.

Normal reward for normal content
Veteran reward for veteran content

Is that really so difficult to grasp?

MartiniDaniels

HaruKamui wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

No, it was told multiple times in this thread that majority is happy for newbies or doesn't care about fact that arena weapons will drop in normal. Why should anybody be against it, when BiS BRP weapons are dropping in normal 2 years already?
People are hurt that they are forced to re-farm same content which they already completed 100 times.

heaven13

HaruKamui wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

Then you're reading the situation wrong. You're seeing it the way ZoS sees it which, yes, is one way to see it. But it's not why people are upset.

vMA rewards a vet-tier reward. Today, that item is The Maelstrom's [Inferno, Bow, whatever]. Tomorrow, that item is The Perfected Maelstrom's [Inferno, Bow, whatever]. Absolutely nothing has changed about the acquisition of the vet reward. You literally just have to do it on vet, either today for the former or tomorrow for the latter.

But come tomorrow (or 2 weeks from tomorrow in the case of consoles), all items earned today will be normal-tier rewards even though all existing weapons could only have been obtained on vet. All existing items should be renamed to The Perfected Maelstrom's [Inferno, Bow, whatever] with the 1-pc set bonus added and a new item created to drop on normal since there was never one there in the first place.

mairwen85

ZOS could have made everyone happy with this change. There was absolutely no need to make it a monkey's paw situation. It's just bizarre.

HowlKimchi

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

No, it was told multiple times in this thread that majority is happy for newbies or doesn't care about fact that arena weapons will drop in normal. Why should anybody be against it, when BiS BRP weapons are dropping in normal 2 years already?
People are hurt that they are forced to re-farm same content which they already completed 100 times.

That is good to hear. Lowering the barrier for more people is nice and Im glad people agree. That being said, no one is being forced. If you dont want to get the perfected versions, dont farm it. I really don't get what the fuss is about. You earned the item a long time ago and were happy about it. You were able to use it to great effect until now. Continue being happy about it. If you want the new item, then farm it. It wont be that hard for you. Especially with the transmute system now.

Anyway, I have said my piece about the matter and have read the different points-of-view, but I don't think I will change my thoughts nor will I change yours. So I thank everyone for the discussion.

silvereyes

HaruKamui wrote: »

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

Not it at all, really.

It's that ZOS is arbitrarily telling us that we needn't have bothered challenging ourselves with vet arenas before tomorrow, because we could have gotten the exact same reward by waiting and doing much easier content. That effort was worthless.

It's that this sends the same signal to all other vet content that doesn't yet have perfected versions. Don't bother running vet Craglorn trials for the jewelry, because it will probably be deprecated soon. Don't bother running vet dungeons for the monster helmets, because they will probably be deprecated soon.

It has a chilling effect on the game and makes many of us wonder if now might be a good time to cut our losses.

mav1234

HaruKamui wrote: »

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

Okay, so Veteran Maelstrom Arena has always dropped weapon sets, yeah? Those weapon sets are getting buffed! COOL! Players SHOULD get these buffed weapons automatically - that is how EVERY OTHER SET BUFFING happens in the game.

I am 100% happy with normal getting wahtever.

hell they could give normal perfect versions too, as long as those of us that farmed vma for weapons before get the perfected version.

InfaM

Action speaks louder than words, no more eso+ and no more DLC should be bought by the unsatisfied customers to send the only message that they are able to hear.

HowlKimchi

InfaM wrote: »

Action speaks louder than words, no more eso+ and no more DLC should be bought by the unsatisfied customers to send the only message that they are able to hear.

I totally agree.

I will not be subscribed and I will not get the DLC not because of this issue, but because of performance issues and input delay.

silvereyes

InfaM wrote: »

Action speaks louder than words, no more eso+ and no more DLC should be bought by the unsatisfied customers to send the only message that they are able to hear.

Done and done, but I'm afraid it's largely just a symbolic gesture. They can't hear us over the sound of all their Skyrim nostalgia and quarantine money clicking around.

Vara

Its a kick in the nuts for players who earned those weapons in vet mode for sure but it's nice for new players like myself to help us catch up *shrug*

Sanguinor2

Vara wrote: »

Its a kick in the nuts for players who earned those weapons in vet mode for sure but it's nice for new players like myself to help us catch up *shrug*

Thing is neither of those two Points are mutually exclusive. Zos couldve easily released the weapons in normal and upgraded the weapons earned in vet. They Chose not to and wont tell us why outside of leaked DMs with bad analogies and condescending attitude.

Kadoin

HaruKamui wrote: »

That being said, no one is being forced. If you dont want to get the perfected versions, dont farm it. I really don't get what the fuss is about.

It's funny because Rich Lambert said the same thing. What both you and him are forgetting is that no one is also being forced to play the game or purchase any additional content either.

What this honestly sends to me is the message that I shouldn't do any vet or DLC content when it releases and wait for a future where they update a weapon to a favorable or unfavorable status before ever bothering to purchase content.

In fact, my nerf senses are tingling with all the antiquities in Greymoor. They're blatantly OP and out of place, and it won't be long until the playerbase finds out exactly how to exploit them in PvE and PvP to make ZOS aware they will need to be nerfed.

That's actually part of why I have little interest in purchasing Greymoor - it did nothing but add more sets that will be nerfed down the line. Unlike Summerset, they did nothing groundbreaking with the chapter besides "ooo Skyrim" - which is my most hated TES game by the way.

Wait, they did add a tedious system to get OP 1 piece gear that will later be nerfed down the line. Will it also be made easier to obtain and get perfected versions too after it's nerfed in the future? Let this crap slide and I am certain we will have this discussion again in about a year, because those mythics @ PTS strength won't stay in their current state by year-end.

Nope, not happening, no way, uh-uh. Unless ZOS really doesn't mind players being able to build themselves far stronger than they were able to in One Tamriel and PvP becoming a complete meme.

Oh wait...

Jaimeh

People who are saying there's nothing to complain about are patently missing the point: end-gamers don't care that the weapons will now drop in normal mode, they never engage with it anyway, what they are frustrated about is that the weapons they've gotten in vet (in some cases after countless runs), will not be automatically changed to the new weapons that will now drop in vet, the very same mode. And for the 'it's not hard, there are transmutes' argument, you're forgetting the element of RNG in what type of weapon drops. It doesn't matter to me that I can do vMA fast, in fact I can complete a run in about 31 minutes, but it does matter to me that if my RNG doesn't oblige, it will indeed be very hard, particularly if I want to outfit multiple characters, as I'll have to spend who knows how many days there. If people don't get this, then they simply haven't been intimate enough with the process of vMA farming. I've said it before: ZOS could have added the weapons in normal, and automatically upgrade the vet ones to perfected, or simply give existing holders of vet weapons, a token system, whereby it wouldn't take 700 runs for a desired perfected weapon, but instead they chose to inflict this horrible time-sink on their older players, and particularly the end-game min-maxers, who will care about the extra stats.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Kadoin wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

That being said, no one is being forced. If you dont want to get the perfected versions, dont farm it. I really don't get what the fuss is about.

It's funny because Rich Lambert said the same thing. What both you and him are forgetting is that no one is also being forced to play the game or purchase any additional content either.

What this honestly sends to me is the message that I shouldn't do any vet or DLC content when it releases and wait for a future where they update a weapon to a favorable or unfavorable status before ever bothering to purchase content.

In fact, my nerf senses are tingling with all the antiquities in Greymoor. They're blatantly OP and out of place, and it won't be long until the playerbase finds out exactly how to exploit them in PvE and PvP to make ZOS aware they will need to be nerfed.

That's actually part of why I have little interest in purchasing Greymoor - it did nothing but add more sets that will be nerfed down the line. Unlike Summerset, they did nothing groundbreaking with the chapter besides "ooo Skyrim" - which is my most hated TES game by the way.

Wait, they did add a tedious system to get OP 1 piece gear that will later be nerfed down the line. Will it also be made easier to obtain and get perfected versions too after it's nerfed in the future? Let this crap slide and I am certain we will have this discussion again in about a year, because those mythics @ PTS strength won't stay in their current state by year-end.

Nope, not happening, no way, uh-uh. Unless ZOS really doesn't mind players being able to build themselves far stronger than they were able to in One Tamriel and PvP becoming a complete meme.

Oh wait...

Yep! You just got them, next year chapter: nerf current Mythics and add Perfected Mythic which BTW are the same you use to have. Go dig deeper you foolz!

Salvas_Aren

HaruKamui wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.

Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.

As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.

What exactly is being taken away here?

That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.

"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."

Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?

The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.

The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.

What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.

If existing arena weapons would become perfected, people would be less vocal. Dont forget the weapons were already nerfed, so introducing perfected is more like re-indtroducing the former quality of the items, without restoring those in existance.

OtarTheMad

Jaimeh wrote: »

People who are saying there's nothing to complain about are patently missing the point: end-gamers don't care that the weapons will now drop in normal mode, they never engage with it anyway, what they are frustrated about is that the weapons they've gotten in vet (in some cases after countless runs), will not be automatically changed to the new weapons that will now drop in vet, the very same mode. And for the 'it's not hard, there are transmutes' argument, you're forgetting the element of RNG in what type of weapon drops. It doesn't matter to me that I can do vMA fast, in fact I can complete a run in about 31 minutes, but it does matter to me that if my RNG doesn't oblige, it will indeed be very hard, particularly if I want to outfit multiple characters, as I'll have to spend who knows how many days there. If people don't get this, then they simply haven't been intimate enough with the process of vMA farming. I've said it before: ZOS could have added the weapons in normal, and automatically upgrade the vet ones to perfected, or simply give existing holders of vet weapons, a token system, whereby it wouldn't take 700 runs for a desired perfected weapon, but instead they chose to inflict this horrible time-sink on their older players, and particularly the end-game min-maxers, who will care about the extra stats.

The issue seems to be that some people who are against the vma/vdsa weapons change are also not a fan of it dropping in normal and they try to lump themselves in with the ones who do not care. That's where the confusion starts because a lot of people with different arguments use the same terms like "us end gamers" "we who did vet" etc. That gets confusing.

I don't see the problem, never did really however ZOS could add a separate chest at the end of vma/vdsa for some time (maybe for 2 weeks?) and in that box you can choose the weapon you want. Also, I never did agree with those who said they feel forced. Regardless if you have the weapon are not your dps isn't going to change that much. I even ran into players who not only put down the perfected weapons, calling the added bonus "useless", but they claimed it wouldn't change the damage they did at all but still felt forced to go after it... like why? Seems like a choice to me.

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RampenSau324

And I just had hoped that locking the Thread for review meant something, but then still no statement... meh

silvereyes

RampenSau324 wrote: »

And I just had hoped that locking the Thread for review meant something, but then I reminded myself who we are talking about here lol

Nah, it just means that the forum mods took a lunch break and came back to 6 more pages of discussion with probably a few baiting reports and needed time to catch up.