4 person Werewolf groups...

Grianasteri

Sup peeps,

With the upcoming update to Werewolf, it got me to thinking that now WW can tank with a proper taunt, this may make more content viable as an all WW group. For anyone as yet unaware, as well as some WW buffs, some sets are being updated, namely this one:

https://eso-sets.com/set/tormentor

The update will add gap closers to the 5pc bonus, so the WW gap closer will also taunt. It may not be meta and I am sure there are plenty of groups who have run lots of content as x4WW, but for fun I thought I would throw the matter out to the community to see what folks think... (mainly interested in pve content)

-What sets would you pair with Tormentor to create a more bona fide WW tank?

-What sets would you use to make as close to a WW healer/support we can?

-We may assume that for dps a meta WW build can be used, but do you have other ideas?

-Would you go with 2 dedicated dps, with a tank and some kind of healing/support? What group make up would you go with?

Ive thought about it a bit and have some ideas but Id love to also hear what others think. Bottom line, I think running a x4WW group could be really good fun How would you go about making the best set up...
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Joxer61

you don't have an actual taunt, or resists....or any of the things a TANK needs plus the fact that ZOS has stated they don't want WW as a tank. Now of course there is the "play any way you want" motto, but be real?

GrumpyDuckling

These sets initially come to mind:

Night Mother's Gaze
Almalexia's Mercy
Brands of the Imperium
Lord Warden
Grave Guardian
Hiti's Hearth
NIghtflame
Meritorious Service (before transform)
Gossamer
Battalion Defender
Crest of Cyrodiil
Leeching
Bahraha's
Thorvulkin (or Knightmare, for whatever reason)


Personal niche favorite:
Call of the Undertaker

Couldn't think of a way to get Mighty Glacier or Winter's Respite to work on Werewolf, but those would be interesting.

Grianasteri

Joxer61 wrote: »

you don't have an actual taunt, or resists....or any of the things a TANK needs plus the fact that ZOS has stated they don't want WW as a tank. Now of course there is the "play any way you want" motto, but be real?

WW are now able to use a taunt, the Tormentor set will literally turn the WW gap closer skill into a taunt as well. It also procs resistances. One can also slot Lord Warden for a proc of even more resistances and it supports the group, or slot Swarm Mother to pull ranged adds to you! And the "tankWW" can wear a Heavy Armour set on the body for further resistances of course. Max out the appropriate CP for a damage shield on block, slot a Psijic skill for another damage shield on block... just some thoughts out loud, were getting pretty close to a viable WW tank!

What fun and japes! This isn't about meta, its about fun and how best to put a 4 man Werewolf group together!

Grianasteri

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

These sets initially come to mind:

Night Mother's Gaze
Almalexia's Mercy
Brands of the Imperium
Lord Warden
Grave Guardian
Hiti's Hearth
NIghtflame
Meritorious Service (before transform)
Gossamer
Battalion Defender
Crest of Cyrodiil
Leeching
Bahraha's
Thorvulkin (or Knightmare, for whatever reason)


Personal niche favorite:
Call of the Undertaker

Couldn't think of a way to get Mighty Glacier or Winter's Respite to work on Werewolf, but those would be interesting.

@GrumpyDuckling yep, plenty of those sets ring my bell also! Basically any set which can reliably proc health for the team, that's what Id slot for the healer - there are good personal heal proc sets as well, but I prefer to take stuff that helps the group as that's really important without any traditional support available. Undertaker falls into that category, although I was concerned about the low heal of only 600 ps, its probably a similar amount of healing to Almalexia. For monster set I was heavily leaning towards Earthgore, if its paired with a set that's procing regular heals, it means any time someone gets into trouble, Earth gore will fire and likely save them.

And really its standard tanking sets for the tank, along with Tormentor of course. Or, a set like Batalion defender would also work paired with Tormentor on the tank, I suspect it will proc more health for the group than either Almalexia or Undertaker, if its on a tank. Id also have both tank and "healer" take the WW morph for dire wolves, these will help a lot in busy content to "tank" adds.

And for dps, just have at it with meta dps I say. Other options include of course, everyone slotting a heal proc set, to really keep the heals flowing.

Chrlynsch

Grianasteri wrote: »

Id also have both tank and "healer" take the WW morph for dire wolves, these will help a lot in busy content to "tank" adds.

The Dires don't work like that anymore, they are just a fancy dot now, can't be targeted, killed, or draw aggro.

Grianasteri

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Id also have both tank and "healer" take the WW morph for dire wolves, these will help a lot in busy content to "tank" adds.

The Dires don't work like that anymore, they are just a fancy dot now, can't be targeted, killed, or draw aggro.

Noo! That seems grossly unfair given sorc pets for instance, can still pull and hold agro...

Hmmn, seems like they could be a tad pointless compared to the bleed morph then... will have to test I guess.

JanTanhide

I see a lot of sets listed by other players! This looks like it could be a lot of fun! Thanks for posting! I may have a use now for my two Werewolves.

CrazyWolf712

Dude, I have been waiting for this patch for so long and have already updated the Werewolf 101 forum to match the new changes, including the werewolf tanking play style. So for a werewolf tank, I’ll be running Earthgore, Green Pact, and Tormentor on a Pack Leader with Brutal Pounce (as long as it aoe taunts), Deafening Roar, Howl of Despair, Claws of Life, and Hircine’s Fortitude. It’ll be such a unique playstyle and I can’t wait to test it!

MashmalloMan

Grianasteri wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Id also have both tank and "healer" take the WW morph for dire wolves, these will help a lot in busy content to "tank" adds.

The Dires don't work like that anymore, they are just a fancy dot now, can't be targeted, killed, or draw aggro.

Noo! That seems grossly unfair given sorc pets for instance, can still pull and hold agro...

Hmmn, seems like they could be a tad pointless compared to the bleed morph then... will have to test I guess.

Pack leader gives you 10% mitigation and offers minor courage passively to your group. The Wolves count towards the call of the pack passive for -60% cost. Deafening Roar provides aoe major fracture and minor maim.

Chrlynsch

https://youtu.be/IrWzeJlYp84

Here is video of myself and some guildies running VMOS with a wolf pack and packleader tank on pts. Overall a fun experience.

Grianasteri

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

Dude, I have been waiting for this patch for so long and have already updated the Werewolf 101 forum to match the new changes, including the werewolf tanking play style. So for a werewolf tank, I’ll be running Earthgore, Green Pact, and Tormentor on a Pack Leader with Brutal Pounce (as long as it aoe taunts), Deafening Roar, Howl of Despair, Claws of Life, and Hircine’s Fortitude. It’ll be such a unique playstyle and I can’t wait to test it!

Sweet, similar to my thoughts.

I think Im going to try Lord Warden (to support the group, who should all be stacked on the WW Tank, with increased resistances), Tormentor and Battalion Defender, to proc heals for the group while blocking. If I find the tank is struggling to stay alive, Green Pact could be worth a try

Thanks for everyones contributions, keep em coming!

Grianasteri

Chrlynsch wrote: »

https://youtu.be/IrWzeJlYp84

Here is video of myself and some guildies running VMOS with a wolf pack and packleader tank on pts. Overall a fun experience.

I so want to do this. It looks like great fun. Not many dedicated WW around though to group up with, probably even less willing to gather specific sets to create a dedicated wolf pack

Chrlynsch

Grianasteri wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

https://youtu.be/IrWzeJlYp84

Here is video of myself and some guildies running VMOS with a wolf pack and packleader tank on pts. Overall a fun experience.

I so want to do this. It looks like great fun. Not many dedicated WW around though to group up with, probably even less willing to gather specific sets to create a dedicated wolf pack

Make your way to PC NA we got room in Scourge Alliance.

Tommy_The_Gun

I was testing some sets & combinations on PTS and currently I ended up with:

- 5 pcs Tormentor (main armour) - Essential for WW tank to work.

- 5 pcs Ebon Armory (jewellery & weapons) - Provides max health bonus to you & your group. Quite universal, as it benefits all group members - DPS, mag & stam, and also a healer. Other group sets give bonuses either for magicka or stamina builds.

- 2 pcs Earthgore monster set - since WW has 2 self heals (Hircine's Bounty & Claws of Life) it would proc this set. Earthgore removes AOE mechanics and if your allies are close to you, the are also healed.

Mythic items (optional, but you have to swap either monster or other 5 pcs set to use it):
Bloodlord's Embrace - it provides insane magicka sustain. More magicka on a Werewolf means you can heal a lot & even convert magicka to stamina, when on full health, so you can block dmg.

Other sets I considered:
Bahraha's Curse - this set gives you 40% damage reduction from AOE mechanics and a lot of healing & CC for mobs. Kinda selfish, but you still have some additional CC to benefit the group.

Tremorscale - was also thinking of using that set, but it does not work with Tormentor tanut.
Pretty sure it is a bug, as Bani's Torment (that has same proc condition) works with Tormentor tanuts.


As for the race, I thought of Argonian, because of their potions passive. You can get extra magicka that you can use for WW heal or convert it to stamina when on full health.

When it comes to traits, I was thinking of using sturdy on every armour peace + shield. Sturdy, gives you 4% block cost reduction, and on 7 armour + 1 shield that is 32% reduction. Neat, as you can boost it further with CP.

This setup could work even in a non-ww groups (group finder). You could be the only WW in the group and still a good tank imho.

Joxer61

not tank but new WW here and trying to settle on class....sorc or templar. Sorc makes WW stronger but we wont be one all the time, correct? SO doesn't stamplar bring more to the group in way of dps and buffs? trying to get it sorted before live hits....kinda pumped cuz its fun!!

nvm...found other post..

idk

Joxer61 wrote: »

you don't have an actual taunt, or resists....or any of the things a TANK needs plus the fact that ZOS has stated they don't want WW as a tank. Now of course there is the "play any way you want" motto, but be real?

True but it does seem Zos has purposely made this possible now at the most basic level. It will not be a serious tank build and I expect some lesser experienced players will get into trouble tanking in WW form. WW will not be a very good tank and I expect we will see entertaining threads in the forums from people who use the GF to get their dungeon groups.

Wuuffyy

Joxer61 wrote: »

you don't have an actual taunt, or resists....or any of the things a TANK needs plus the fact that ZOS has stated they don't want WW as a tank. Now of course there is the "play any way you want" motto, but be real?

This turns the gap closer into a taunt. And it is also a debuf resists, support set.

Wuuffyy

Joxer61 wrote: »

not tank but new WW here and trying to settle on class....sorc or templar. Sorc makes WW stronger but we wont be one all the time, correct? SO doesn't stamplar bring more to the group in way of dps and buffs? trying to get it sorted before live hits....kinda pumped cuz its fun!!

nvm...found other post..

Dk. Block more with more natural tankiness. Plus you can do double infused poison and fire for more sus stam and mag

Joxer61

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

not tank but new WW here and trying to settle on class....sorc or templar. Sorc makes WW stronger but we wont be one all the time, correct? SO doesn't stamplar bring more to the group in way of dps and buffs? trying to get it sorted before live hits....kinda pumped cuz its fun!!

nvm...found other post..

Dk. Block more with more natural tankiness. Plus you can do double infused poison and a Stam for more sus

now that's a new one! hmmmm…

Grianasteri

Joxer61 wrote: »

not tank but new WW here and trying to settle on class....sorc or templar. Sorc makes WW stronger but we wont be one all the time, correct? SO doesn't stamplar bring more to the group in way of dps and buffs? trying to get it sorted before live hits....kinda pumped cuz its fun!!

nvm...found other post..

@Joxer61 If you want a damage dealing WW, then I recommend Sorc, as I believe its passives provide the most damage for a WW.

Out of WW form I enjoy both stamsorc and stamplar and don't really have a preference, but because I consider Sorc better for WW, that's the one I go with.

For a tank WW, any of the usual tank classes are likely to work to a greater or lesser extent.

Joxer61

Grianasteri wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

not tank but new WW here and trying to settle on class....sorc or templar. Sorc makes WW stronger but we wont be one all the time, correct? SO doesn't stamplar bring more to the group in way of dps and buffs? trying to get it sorted before live hits....kinda pumped cuz its fun!!

nvm...found other post..

@Joxer61 If you want a damage dealing WW, then I recommend Sorc, as I believe its passives provide the most damage for a WW.

Out of WW form I enjoy both stamsorc and stamplar and don't really have a preference, but because I consider Sorc better for WW, that's the one I go with.

For a tank WW, any of the usual tank classes are likely to work to a greater or lesser extent.

cheers for that!