Will a Developer Please Contribute to Dialogue About the Update 21 Wood Elf Racial Change?

Moonsorrow

heaven13 wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

I'll let anyone reading this thread make his own opinion of both your and my contributions

Maybe someone should open a tread about how useless Nords racials are to a PvE Stam DPS ?

Or why anyone would ever pick Imperial for a Mag PvE DPS ?

I'll stop toying with you now but please understand that exaggerations like this will not help convince anyone, especially not members of the balance team :

Wait, bosmer are playable? I thought they were removed from the game.

Imperials for PvE magdps are far more viable than you may think. And yes, I actually have an Imperial mag dps. Max Health allows me to run parse food instead of purple Regen or health/Magicka and 3% cost reduction on top of resource restore on direct damage is good for sustain. Much better than the very niche Hunter's Eye.

Yes, also as a healer Imperial can shine.

And to this topic that is and has been near my heart ever since that Racial Update first PTS week opened before my eyes.. i still think that Bosmer should be a Stealthy race, from Lore & tradition it just should be.

And to have "more choices" for Stealthy races there should be more than ONE (Khajiit) Stealthy race. No idea how can ZOS say with a straight face that they give more choices when they actually just dropped the choices to ONE race that is the Stealthy race.

ZOS, we are not living Elsweyr times anymore, you can put Bosmers loretastic Stealthy passive back now. Khajiit not need any forced spotlight anymore at this point. Greymoor coming, we gonna have plenty of new 2H Nords running around anyways. You can quietly slip in Stealthy back for Bosmer, so all the unhappy Bosmers can wake up from this nightmare.

And no, there is no need to nerf the other passives when you correct your Lore mistake. Will not make Bosmer OP, just corrects the mistake in Lore and people can pick from 2 Stealthy races. WIN-WIN.

Rolling Bosmers at PVP who are Stealthy thieves at PVE, HAPPY Bosmers and Bosmer players. Like.. that is supposed to be how you try to make your players, happy? Right?

Simple decisions are sometimes enough and the best solutions.

Yours truly,

a Bosmer player that likes to Roll around at PVP & Steal at PVE.

Urzigurumash

It is a great boon to AD that Bosmer are competent stamina brawlers, no longer restricted to only bow use / stealth offense, and only slightly behind Orc mathematically for many builds, even in Heavy Armor. Regardless, since I doubt anybody has much affinity for the Stealth Detection, simply make the Bosmer stealth bonus the exact same as the Khajiit's. To bring Bosmer to near perfect equivalence with Orc for all-around Stamina PvP, make the penetration passive constant rather than conditional. These changes would be unlikely to engender a race change for group optimized PvE DDs, and in my view would cause no imbalance while satisfying both PvP and Solo PvE players.

BXR_Lonestar

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

It will be fun to have something like 5% passive dodge as unique feature - because wood elves are notably smaller, it should be harder to hit them

I'd personally rather see them get increased weapon damage (say 258, similar to Orc buff) while using bows. Having Bosmer be standout archers would also be a lore-friendly racial passives. In the alternative, they could build in that extra damage by giving them say 2500-3000 additional armor penetration while a bow is equipped.

Dodging and a little extra survivability would be nice, but I see that bonus being more useful for PVP than PVE, as PVE is mostly about staying out of red circles anyways. If you can't do that, then the 5% passive dodge chance is not going to save you.

MartiniDaniels

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

It will be fun to have something like 5% passive dodge as unique feature - because wood elves are notably smaller, it should be harder to hit them

I'd personally rather see them get increased weapon damage (say 258, similar to Orc buff) while using bows. Having Bosmer be standout archers would also be a lore-friendly racial passives. In the alternative, they could build in that extra damage by giving them say 2500-3000 additional armor penetration while a bow is equipped.

Dodging and a little extra survivability would be nice, but I see that bonus being more useful for PVP than PVE, as PVE is mostly about staying out of red circles anyways. If you can't do that, then the 5% passive dodge chance is not going to save you.

I'm all in for extra WD but this will be OP.

Thoragaal

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I hope you still feel this way, because some of us have been advocating for a return of original Bosmer sneaking for quite some time, and would welcome discussion about how it would fit nicely into your "core mantra of the game -- freedom."

When Gilliam went to work for ZOS he made a video explaining he wouldn't be able to communicate with the playerbase anymore.
You're not gonna see a response from him other than maybe a "Hello" to acknowledge that he's still alive.

Fawn4287

Bosmer is a terrific medium armour stam build option for PvP, the best option for Stam regen and roley poley builds, Stamblade for example becomes lightning fast with a roll in to cloak on a back bar. People really want to see a race that got shafted look at argonian. Prior to the blanket race change, magden, magplar and DKs were nearly all argonian, now I don’t see why you would run it over breton, high elf or dunmer for mag builds or nord for a stam build.

Katahdin

Its pretty clear thay have made their decision and are sticking with it.
The lack of discussion from them confirms it.

Seems like the more people complain about certain of their decisions, the more they get dug in and refuse to budge.

Case in point: VMA and DSA weapons not getting upgraded, as well as the racial passives and others I cant think of right now.

Bottom line, its thier game, they design it and make the decisions for it.
Whether we like it or not. If we dont like it enough, its been made it clear that we can find the door.

idk

BlueRaven wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Zos clearly stated early last year that they would not be reviewing the racial passives unit they completed this process of implementing all these combat changes. Granted, it has been a long time but it makes sense to wait until all this is completed to see how all the passives are affected by these changes. They have reiterated since then that they will plan to do some tweaking of the passives.

They also clearly stated;

"Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

Other systems? It's been over a year now, still waiting on those systems.

I do not see how that is relevant to Zos doing a second pass to tweak racial passives after they complete the combat overhaul.

YandereGirlfriend

Katahdin wrote: »

Its pretty clear thay have made their decision and are sticking with it.
The lack of discussion from them confirms it.

Seems like the more people complain about certain of their decisions, the more they get dug in and refuse to budge.

Case in point: VMA and DSA weapons not getting upgraded, as well as the racial passives and others I cant think of right now.

Bottom line, its thier game, they design it and make the decisions for it.
Whether we like it or not. If we dont like it enough, its been made it clear that we can find the door.

Actually, I think that the "24-dimensional chess" move is to claim that Wood Elf racial abilities are secretly actually OP.

We all know that calls for buffs and do-overs of poor design choices are always ignored but calls for nerfs have a success rate of nearly 100%!

So the plan is: call for a Bosmer nerf + ??? = PROFIT! What could go wrong?! >:D

GrumpyDuckling

Please, Gilliam, can we have a real discussion about the Update 21 Wood Elf change?

Cundu_Ertur

Pretty unlike that any dev is reading anything today. They're all off the clock for the holiday.

Jierdanit

The devs dont even say anything about the completely broken state the game is in right now, i doubt they will even look at something that small.