Animation Cancelling

OneForSorrow

I know, I know, this topic comes up a lot but it seems to me like every time it does both sides end up insulting each other and in the end no real airing of opinions is allowed to happen. So here is a simple poll. Since this a weirdly contentious subject in our community, it's anonymous.

Feel free to explain your reasoning if you don't mind your thinking being public but for the love of the Hist do not mock people with different opinions.

AMeanOne

Why are the 200 other polls not enough?

DeathStalker

I have severe arthritis in my hands and wrists. The more movements and button-mashing I must do the more my hands hurt. Having to do Animation Canceling for decent DPS just makes this game that much harder and painful for me if I want to do anything like pvp or group-oriented.

OneForSorrow

AMeanOne wrote: »

Why are the 200 other polls not enough?

Most polls I see on this topic are not anonymous and I'm less curious about what people feel socially pressured into thinking and more curious about what they really feel.

Gorgoneus

Just let be clear - this is a bug, bug of this ancient game engine, but developers can't or won't fix it so they proclaimed it standard game mechanic.
Very nice mechanic I'd say, I don't know how to use it, there is no ingame hints or tutorials about it, and I guess this is not so easy to perform - BECAUSE IT IS BUG!

angrydrew

For all that is gaming .This is meant to be an animated game to be enjoyed.Why bother playing if they take away the animation it ceases to be a game and more a task....might as well go back to pictures and roll a dice..!

Tommy_The_Gun

IB4 this thread gets animation cancellated...

D0PAMINE

Yet another thread...

Starlock

Other - I don't do "rotations" any more than I do "builds" or "min-maxing"

Naftal

angrydrew wrote: »

For all that is gaming .This is meant to be an animated game to be enjoyed.Why bother playing if they take away the animation it ceases to be a game and more a task....might as well go back to pictures and roll a dice..!

Gameplay > animations. Why bother playing if you like animations so much? Might as well go see an animated film.

zvavi

Where is the option of there is no animation cancelling during dps rotation?

bearbelly

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Yet another thread...

EV.ER.Y weekend. It never frakking fails.
And for some reason, they always think THEIR thread is going to be the one out of who knows how many that will not be highly contentious and not end up getting closed.

OP, the poll itself being anonymous doesn't mean ANYTHING when this particular topic is the focus, because everyone starts blasting the other side with both barrels in the comments. Everyone's opinion is on full display.

And every thread on the subject ends the same way. Closed, because the divide between both sides is too far to gap, and nobody is changing their mind.

deleted221106-002999

Choice is good so don't mind it either way.

But I think that currently it's a non-issue due to the horrendous state of the game. Perhaps a more realistic question is: will skills actually work at all?

FrancisCrawford

I maybe get a light attack in every three seconds. So I'd be a relatively better player if it weren't in the game.

And that's on magicka characters, which I usually play. I just played bow-bow through a number of fights, and if Combat Metrics is to be believed I didn't land a SINGLE light attack. WTF??

I imagine there's some difference in how cancelling works for bows and staves ...

Alinhbo_Tyaka

AMeanOne wrote: »

Why are the 200 other polls not enough?

I think you should start a poll to find out.

Universe

My vote is: Undecided.

While animation canceling is a fun mechanic while playing it is subject to exploiting since the game itself isn't limiting enough the potential of it.
Those who have an amazing latency can do great with it and those who have a somewhat poor latency will have hard time accomplishing it.

My average latency on PC EU is between 120-150, occasional lag spikes to 180-210*.
It used to be lower many months ago, before the "performance" updates.
There are many players who have 50-70 latency on this server, they have approx. 0.8-1 second advantage over me(or more)
I still do fine dps, but ofc that I'm doing less dps than same skill players who live near the server.

OneForSorrow

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I maybe get a light attack in every three seconds. So I'd be a relatively better player if it weren't in the game.

And that's on magicka characters, which I usually play. I just played bow-bow through a number of fights, and if Combat Metrics is to be believed I didn't land a SINGLE light attack. WTF??

I imagine there's some difference in how cancelling works for bows and staves ...

If it helps one key to cancelling that is very hard to find in research is that attacks are fired upon button release.

Timing is something like mouse click/release--ability button press/release--mouse click/release etc

Starlock

OneForSorrow wrote: »

AMeanOne wrote: »

Why are the 200 other polls not enough?

Most polls I see on this topic are not anonymous and I'm less curious about what people feel socially pressured into thinking and more curious about what they really feel.

You'll want to work on writing good polls. Anonymity won't fix a badly designed poll.

I'll grant nobody here is looking to do survey work in a professional capacity on a venue like this, but to take a page from proper survey design? Never insert presupposed reasons into poll answers - keep it simple, and if you want to get at the reasons behind respondents views you do that with follow-up questions.

For example, if you really intend to ask about animation cancelling ONLY of players who practice rotations then the question is better framed as thus:

Q - Assuming you are a damage dealer (DPS) who plays with a rotation, do you...
A1- ... like animation cancelling as part of your rotation
A2 - ... dislike animation cancelling as part of your rotation
A3 - ... neither like nor dislike animation cancelling as part of your rotation
A4 - ... have no opinion because the assumptions do not apply to you

We know, of course, that animation cancelling impacts far more than just players who are damage dealers who use rotations. That's what confuses me most about the framing of the poll - why the limitation? What about tanks? Healers? People who have no particular role because group content isn't really their thing?

StormeReigns

Moot issue.

Sylvermynx

Other: I can do AC - but it's not easy. My age is against me, as my reflexes are.... um.... not young (by a LONG shot). Now, I don't have issues with arthritis or carpal tunnel, but of course those are not the only issues at my age (72) - mostly it's having to micromanage "button mashing" when this game is unlike anything I've ever played before.

Two years in, I do okay - but figuring it out wasn't easy. And with satellite lag, "button mashing" is literally what I'm doing.

John_Falstaff

OneForSorrow wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

I don't do end game content because of time but I do use animation cancelling. As it is embraced now by ZoS it cannot be called an exploit.

That said I recognize the shortcomings of the now recognized mechanic since originally it was not intended to be one. The game is not spectacularly optimized for it like, say, Devil May Cry or Metal Gear Rising.

I am not trying to advocate for its removal, nor am I insisting it stays. Rather I want to see how people feel about it. I can survive just fine with or without it.

This is the sort of thing where if ZoS saw community feedback that was constructive they could maybe optimize things better by fixing the points of friction that exist for players. If most people don't like cancelling but ZoS wants to KEEP cancelling then obviously it's time to actually teach people how it works within the actual game, for example.

So, why do you need to do end game content? I mean, clearly by end game content you understand vSS HM where, yes, you probably can't go with a team of HA petsorcs (curious, someone tried portals with three petsorcs? actually, maybe possible ^^). But there's a question of why do you need the hardest challenges in ESO. And I'm dead serious here. There are games that take certain skill and abilities, be it fast coordination, speed, button mashing skill, whatever you can imagine. If you don't posses such skill, you can either play different game, or enjoy it on more casual level - pick nSS or even just vSS, and you can clear it without any kind of weaving. It's not something that needs fixing, not any more than chess needs fixing by removal all pieces and making board 3x3 just for those who get headaches after thinking on variants for more than ten seconds. I can tell you straight away that most casual chess players don't like studying endgame, it's tedious, it's technical, it's just plain lacking freedom of fantasy, but crowd there is more tame and they don't demand to make chess stop being chess because they like moving pieces but don't like to work for being remarkable at doing it.

So, you don't like animation cancelling? Awesome. Don't do animation cancelling. Don't weave LAs. Nobody forces you to. Seriously. You don't lose as much as you apparently think you do by not doing it. It's all in your head. You can clear most content by not doing any of that stuff. What? You want vet hard mode DLC trials? Now we're talking about area where game has to think up some challenges to make people feel they're honing their skill, even if it's skill of fast button mashing. Or masterfully kicking ball with their feet. Or remembering that tricky chess endgame pattern. Casual people will find it silly because it's arbitrary; what they don't see is that any game is arbitrary, and if they're vying for hardest challenges but want them to have different requirement, it means they just want a different game with another set of arbitrary challenges needed for excellence.

Tigerseye

OneForSorrow wrote: »

AMeanOne wrote: »

Why are the 200 other polls not enough?

Most polls I see on this topic are not anonymous and I'm less curious about what people feel socially pressured into thinking and more curious about what they really feel.

I agree with your sentiments, but you still won't know, as games forums aren't typically representative of the gaming community, as a whole.

OneForSorrow

Starlock wrote: »

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Fair points. Topics like this are ones I think about a lot because I'm a game designer and I'm genuinely curious about how players feel about these sorts of things...

But my company has PR folks that poll the public. I'm not one of those folks so I'm out of my element here.

If healers and tanks want to weigh in I'd be curious.

D0PAMINE

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

DeathStalker

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

Someone else said that to me once. I will tell you what I told them. I don't understand what you are saying. Would you mind taking the time to explain it to me? doesn't Animation canceling include light attack weaving by default???

eKsDee

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

The problem I have with your argument is rather than asking for options that can be available to you (of which I'd be in full support for, more options is better), you're asking for a core gameplay mechanic (it's being treated as such by Zenimax, so it can hardly be called an exploit when Zenimax is literally teach players about it and balancing sets/skills around it) to be removed.

Rather than asking for weaving to be removed, ask for heavy attacks to be buffed to offer similar DPS as a light attack rotation, ask for new mechanics to be added that will allow you to solely use skills in your rotation, instead of having to weave in basic attacks.

D0PAMINE

DeathStalker wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

Someone else said that to me once. I will tell you what I told them. I don't understand what you are saying. Would you mind taking the time to explain it to me? doesn't Animation canceling include light attack weaving by default???

The animation cancel part is optional. You don't actually have to cancel part of the weaved light attack.

DeathStalker

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

Someone else said that to me once. I will tell you what I told them. I don't understand what you are saying. Would you mind taking the time to explain it to me? doesn't Animation canceling include light attack weaving by default???

The animation cancel part is optional. You don't actually have to cancel part of the weaved light attack.

ok, thank you. I think I understand now what you are saying.

xXMeowMeowXx

*sigh* here we go again.

Why not just say you want slow clunky combat, rather than fluid fun combat....

It is not that hard to learn. It is what makes ESO combat interesting.

Sanctum74

DeathStalker wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

Someone else said that to me once. I will tell you what I told them. I don't understand what you are saying. Would you mind taking the time to explain it to me? doesn't Animation canceling include light attack weaving by default???

Check out the video link below it explains it pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaMMnBbs5nI

DeathStalker

Sanctum74 wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DeathStalker wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Just another thread from people who just can't be bothered to get better.

@DeathStalker , I suppose nobody told you before, so I take pride in being first: LA is a relatively small fraction of your damage, and game has normal content for a reason, you can beat any normal place and most vets with your run off the mill HA petsorc. Your post is a prime example of that flawed kind of thinking - yes, but there is a way for people with quick fingers to get better than I am (even though virtually the only place is bars me from is leaderboards), so please remove that way so I could get on their level. So? People with good legs are bound to be better than you at playing soccer. Doesn't mean soccer should be nerfed to let everyone have same results in higher leagues.

And no, there's no point in asking people to stay civil after posting yet another badly disguised "AnImAtiOn CanCellIng Is An eXpLoiT" thread. Not fooling anybody there. You want to just clear content? You don't need animation cancelling for that, so you can stop hurting so much about players who can show higher numbers than you, you still can clear same places. You want a game where you can get better without clicking buttons so much? Play chess. I'm serious here. You don't choose ESO for achievements if you can't do button clicking for the same reason you don't choose soccer for higher leagues if you need a cane to walk. Sad but true. But if you're after just experiencing every bit of content in the game - you can, and without so much as a trace of animation cancelling.

It's not a matter of don't want to get better, can't get better. Because of the pain and stiffness in my hands, there is a ceiling I just can't breakthrough. I understood posts like this were coming when I posted my first post on this subject. Ignoring my limitations and coping out by saying I'm just not trying hard enough or I could get better if I really wanted to. The fact of the matter is this was not an intended part of combat. It was an exploit they decided not to try and remove. I hope they change there mind. Animation canceling looks stupid. Would I like to do trails...yes. But I never will because I won't be able to pull my weight. The op asks a simple question. Do you like or not like animation canceling in your rotation? I do not. I also don't like it when people say I have to share their opinion or I'm lazy and not really trying. I guess neither of the things I don't like in this thread will change anytime soon.

You are confusing light attack weaving with animation canceling while weaving.

Someone else said that to me once. I will tell you what I told them. I don't understand what you are saying. Would you mind taking the time to explain it to me? doesn't Animation canceling include light attack weaving by default???

Check out the video link below it explains it pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaMMnBbs5nI

thank you