What keeps me away from ESO

izanagi256

Hello, once again I find myself wanting to come back to ESO, but I always leave after a month or so and I never really realized why until recently. This is just feedback and I hope some dev sees it and can maybe keep it in mind.

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.

2) The lack of a Global Auction house that makes it hard to make money. I know it won't happen but I feel I am always broke cause I have to join a trade guild and give them money so I can make money on their Guild merchant.

3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc. Especially since the DLC dungeons give you really cool armor sets.

4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes. The mandatory DLC, the expansions, I know subbing takes care of 2/3 of those things but ESO is a buy to play game I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100 a year (that includes the dlc) the Chapters are fine cause they are expansions and MMos live and breath off expansions, but the DLC the fact that the barbershop cost IRL money when every other game I can think of has it cost In game money. Not to mention houses can cost 100+ dollars.

So, I hope this feedback reaches the devs and I hope I am not flamed too badly.

Cheers!

Disturbed_One

Lucky for you for points 1 & 2, there are plenty other cookie cutter, slow moving, auction house offering MMOs out there.

Don't need to change 2 of the things that makes ESO actually unique to fit the same mold as every other game.

I can partially feel you on #3, but $15 a month is less than you'd pay to go out to eat once a month...

#4 is an industry wide problem, not specific to ESO.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Maybe ESO just isn't for you & that's ok. That being said, maybe if you focus on things in ESO that you actually enjoy & don't obsess over the things you mentioned. In reading your focus points it seems that they are kind of "you" issues & how it's making "you" feel & again that's ok, but none of what you mentioned is "mandatory". Only you can decide if a sub is worth it to you. I find the sub entirely worth it for myself & feel I get my $$ worth. Good luck.

Sanctum74

1. You dont have to la weave or animation cancel, you have a choice.

2. There are free guilds, free zone chat, or pay guilds if you want a prime spot to sell goods.

3. You don't need a crafting bag, alts and storage containers work fine and theres a reason they lock things behind dlc so they have money to support the game. Btw you can buy many of those cool armor sets in guild traders even if you don’t have the dlc.

4. You dont have to buy clown crates to enjoy the game and there are houses you can buy with gold, not to mention they gave us Grand Psijic Villa for free which is huge.

idk

izanagi256 wrote: »

Hello, once again I find myself wanting to come back to ESO, but I always leave after a month or so and I never really realized why until recently. This is just feedback and I hope some dev sees it and can maybe keep it in mind.

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.

2) The lack of a Global Auction house that makes it hard to make money. I know it won't happen but I feel I am always broke cause I have to join a trade guild and give them money so I can make money on their Guild merchant.

3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc. Especially since the DLC dungeons give you really cool armor sets.

4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes. The mandatory DLC, the expansions, I know subbing takes care of 2/3 of those things but ESO is a buy to play game I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100 a year (that includes the dlc) the Chapters are fine cause they are expansions and MMos live and breath off expansions, but the DLC the fact that the barbershop cost IRL money when every other game I can think of has it cost In game money. Not to mention houses can cost 100+ dollars.

So, I hope this feedback reaches the devs and I hope I am not flamed too badly.

Cheers!

1. You are not required to light weave at all. I know players that do quite well in PvE and PvP without light weaving.

2. It is easy to make money with a trade guild and there are plenty of trade guilds that do not require payment. I have done well in one such guild.

3 & 4 are literally complaining about haveing to spend a little bit of money on the game. A subscription plus pre-order of the chapter costs as low as 0.49 USD per day. If you want a short while you can get the chapter on sale. Hard to find a better deal than that.

In the end your feedback is pretty much that you do not like anything about the game. You do not like the combat or the economy and are upset about spending money to play the game. That is exactly how this reads.

Cheers.

max_only

I’m not being cruel or facetious here when I say it sounds like WoW, Allods, LoL or a single player is more your type of game.

You are forced to subscribe just to access the servers in WoW but at least your other points (combat, auction house) are taken care of.

As for monetization, there is nothing in the crown store you need. It is all cosmetics or convenience. Most of the desirable stuff can be bought with in game gold through player gifting (use at your own risk). Everything in the crown store that gives “power” is obtainable in game and in fact used to ONLY be attainable in game until console platforms asked for a short cut.

Having said that, one day you may experience a part of the video game making process and become aware of why it costs money to make and maintain a game (and yes I know the consumer prices are inflated to create profit for shareholders). Artists who make video games deserve payment. You are welcome to teach yourself to code and make your own game and give it away for free.

izanagi256

idk wrote: »

izanagi256 wrote: »

Hello, once again I find myself wanting to come back to ESO, but I always leave after a month or so and I never really realized why until recently. This is just feedback and I hope some dev sees it and can maybe keep it in mind.

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.

2) The lack of a Global Auction house that makes it hard to make money. I know it won't happen but I feel I am always broke cause I have to join a trade guild and give them money so I can make money on their Guild merchant.

3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc. Especially since the DLC dungeons give you really cool armor sets.

4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes. The mandatory DLC, the expansions, I know subbing takes care of 2/3 of those things but ESO is a buy to play game I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100 a year (that includes the dlc) the Chapters are fine cause they are expansions and MMos live and breath off expansions, but the DLC the fact that the barbershop cost IRL money when every other game I can think of has it cost In game money. Not to mention houses can cost 100+ dollars.

So, I hope this feedback reaches the devs and I hope I am not flamed too badly.

Cheers!

1. You are not required to light weave at all. I know players that do quite well in PvE and PvP without light weaving.

2. It is easy to make money with a trade guild and there are plenty of trade guilds that do not require payment. I have done well in one such guild.

3 & 4 are literally complaining about haveing to spend a little bit of money on the game. A subscription plus pre-order of the chapter costs as low as 0.49 USD per day. If you want a short while you can get the chapter on sale. Hard to find a better deal than that.

In the end your feedback is pretty much that you do not like anything about the game. You do not like the combat or the economy and are upset about spending money to play the game. That is exactly how this reads.

Cheers.

That's not true I love the dungeons, the graphics, the story, the question experience, and Cyrodil. I want to love the game I really do it is just those reasons that make it hard for me and I bought the game day 1 back when Vet levels were a thing

izanagi256

max_only wrote: »

I’m not being cruel or facetious here when I say it sounds like WoW, Allods, LoL or a single player is more your type of game.

You are forced to subscribe just to access the servers in WoW but at least your other points (combat, auction house) are taken care of.

As for monetization, there is nothing in the crown store you need. It is all cosmetics or convenience. Most of the desirable stuff can be bought with in game gold through player gifting (use at your own risk). Everything in the crown store that gives “power” is obtainable in game and in fact used to ONLY be attainable in game until console platforms asked for a short cut.

I do not mind paying a sub, not at all. I just feel like if a game is Buy to play, it shouldn't force you to spend $200+ dollars or sub. The only games I can think of with worse monetization are Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR (you have to actually pay for action bars)

JmJ

1. It is true that light attack weave is good thing to know, and better you are on this better you do. But even if your not super good at this its not end of the word and should not hold you back. Animation cancel is something you dont need to do at all, often you might still do it tho just by bar swapping.

2. I would argue that it is easier to make money with this system that it would be on auction house. Not to mention many people like playing this game just for mostly trading. And this system gives you that option, we would not have any trading guild if we would have auction house.

3. Crafting bag is huge benefit, and it surely makes your life easier. But that is still only quality of life improvment and not nessasery. DLC:s you can also buy with in game gold there are plenty of people that do sell crowns.

4. Having eso+ is option, its not forced. And if you cant afford that then bying crowns on in game currency is option.

max_only

izanagi256 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

I’m not being cruel or facetious here when I say it sounds like WoW, Allods, LoL or a single player is more your type of game.

You are forced to subscribe just to access the servers in WoW but at least your other points (combat, auction house) are taken care of.

As for monetization, there is nothing in the crown store you need. It is all cosmetics or convenience. Most of the desirable stuff can be bought with in game gold through player gifting (use at your own risk). Everything in the crown store that gives “power” is obtainable in game and in fact used to ONLY be attainable in game until console platforms asked for a short cut.

I do not mind paying a sub, not at all. I just feel like if a game is Buy to play, it shouldn't force you to spend $200+ dollars or sub. The only games I can think of with worse monetization are Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR (you have to actually pay for action bars)

Again, you can buy that with in game gold. You don’t have to spend $200 and sub. Dlc dungeons are EITHER unlocked with the sub OR purchased separately (with in game gold gifting or real life money)

idk

izanagi256 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

izanagi256 wrote: »

Hello, once again I find myself wanting to come back to ESO, but I always leave after a month or so and I never really realized why until recently. This is just feedback and I hope some dev sees it and can maybe keep it in mind.

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.

2) The lack of a Global Auction house that makes it hard to make money. I know it won't happen but I feel I am always broke cause I have to join a trade guild and give them money so I can make money on their Guild merchant.

3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc. Especially since the DLC dungeons give you really cool armor sets.

4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes. The mandatory DLC, the expansions, I know subbing takes care of 2/3 of those things but ESO is a buy to play game I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100 a year (that includes the dlc) the Chapters are fine cause they are expansions and MMos live and breath off expansions, but the DLC the fact that the barbershop cost IRL money when every other game I can think of has it cost In game money. Not to mention houses can cost 100+ dollars.

So, I hope this feedback reaches the devs and I hope I am not flamed too badly.

Cheers!

1. You are not required to light weave at all. I know players that do quite well in PvE and PvP without light weaving.

2. It is easy to make money with a trade guild and there are plenty of trade guilds that do not require payment. I have done well in one such guild.

3 & 4 are literally complaining about haveing to spend a little bit of money on the game. A subscription plus pre-order of the chapter costs as low as 0.49 USD per day. If you want a short while you can get the chapter on sale. Hard to find a better deal than that.

In the end your feedback is pretty much that you do not like anything about the game. You do not like the combat or the economy and are upset about spending money to play the game. That is exactly how this reads.

Cheers.

That's not true I love the dungeons, the graphics, the story, the question experience, and Cyrodil. I want to love the game I really do it is just those reasons that make it hard for me and I bought the game day 1 back when Vet levels were a thing

Since you do not need to weave and there are plenty of free trading guilds and regular guilds that get traders and the cost is pretty low per day, 50 cents, I fail to see why you stay away. Those are pretty small things to complain about.

Reverb

You say you find yourself wanting to play ESO but your criticisms make it clear you don’t want to play ESO. You want to play some game that’s a clone of MMOs you’ve played in the past. You want a game with a different combat system, a completely different economy structure, a different subscription model and perks, and a different cash shop. So...you want a different game. Or you want Zeni to turn ESO into every generic mmo from 10 years ago.

Ratzkifal

On PC EU the current gold to crown exchange rate is between 300:1 and 400:1. So go into Imperial City, make some good money there until you have 450k to 600k gold and buy your first dungeon DLC with gold. Then you start farming DLC dungeon motifs to make money until you can affort the next DLC.

And make sure to take screenshots of your negotiation and your transaction and let the other person know that you do too to avoid scammers.

Casterial

izanagi256 wrote: »

Hello, once again I find myself wanting to come back to ESO, but I always leave after a month or so and I never really realized why until recently. This is just feedback and I hope some dev sees it and can maybe keep it in mind.

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.

2) The lack of a Global Auction house that makes it hard to make money. I know it won't happen but I feel I am always broke cause I have to join a trade guild and give them money so I can make money on their Guild merchant.

3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc. Especially since the DLC dungeons give you really cool armor sets.

4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes. The mandatory DLC, the expansions, I know subbing takes care of 2/3 of those things but ESO is a buy to play game I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100 a year (that includes the dlc) the Chapters are fine cause they are expansions and MMos live and breath off expansions, but the DLC the fact that the barbershop cost IRL money when every other game I can think of has it cost In game money. Not to mention houses can cost 100+ dollars.

So, I hope this feedback reaches the devs and I hope I am not flamed too badly.

Cheers!

For your points:
1) You just need to adapt to a modern action-combat game.
2) I really hate global auction houses, ruins the control guilds have in the game, and for this game it would disastrous.Guilds wouldn't really have any power?
3) It use to be subscribe to play, so don't be upset about that.
4) Chapters were something they snuck in onto us all, originally they never planned paid content if you were subscribed. But then Morrowind, the milker released.

My points after 6 years, ~7500++++ hours.
1. The lag has steadily gotten worse patch after patch with no improvements in sight
2. Gearing is a little too easy, and once you're geared thats it? I've swapped 1 set out since Summerset.
3. Combat, combat is good but the rapid combat changes are making this game feel like crap. You shouldn't change combat so majorly between each small incremental patch like they do. Every DLC we get an entire rework of something...Why? No usually ask for these reworks and PTS forums always say stop.
4. They seem to not listen to the players at all, especially from testing non-stop
5. The bugs, theres so many stupid bugs in this game that should be caught by QA
6. Monetization, I subscribe which is cool. But achievements really only give 1 thing? Skin...Maybe a title? No mount, no other cool unique things?
7. Mounts are almost all reskins, no real reinvention
8. Events - They make several events, but they're all really boring and the same "fetch quest"
9. pvp has no focus, its population has been declining, my 5-10min queue for SOLO bgs is proof, the non-pop lock during prime time is another
10. The meta being so crap for so long and the developers went the opposite direction empowering a meta that has been a thing since 2016.

Linaleah

max_only wrote: »

I’m not being cruel or facetious here when I say it sounds like WoW, Allods, LoL or a single player is more your type of game.

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..... maybe op SHOULD play Allods, for comparison's sakes. because having actualy played it? its far FAR worse then ESO when it comes to predatory montanization.... unless you roll on one of their subscription mandatory servers. at least last i checked, to be completely honest, i haven't played it in years. but I do remember back when they first created subscription servers... some of the encounters later in a game were unbeatable, because... get this... they were tuned with cash shop purchases of power items in mind. because subscirption services didn't have those cash shop items - players couldn't finish encounters and developers had to rebalance a large chunk of the game for those subsciption services.

as bad as ESO can get some times when it comes to crown store... you are never, EVER forced to buy anything in order to finish content you have unlocked.

volkeswagon

well. Paying 10-15k a week to a capital trader so you can make an extra 250k min a week is peanuts. I made 3 mil during the anniversary event. Making gold is pretty easy if you know how. Paying the sub fee isn't that bad if you play alot. I canceled my $90 a month tv service because i play ESO instead of watch TV. So I actually save money. It's all how you look at it. It just sounds like you need to learn and understand the game more and not expect the game to be how you envision it.

Lysette

As far as being broke goes, you have 8 character slots - make use of them, do crafting writs with all 8 characters and you will no longer be broke. This is my main source of income, I've never sold anything in a guild store, being totally independent this way. just make use of what your account grants you and your money problem will be solved. it is enough if you get your craft-only characters to around level 25 - then you will already make about 2.5k per character (20k/day with 8 characters).

colossalvoids

1. Same thing dragged me to ESO, as it felt so different and interesting that i shouldn't just rely on some gear but to actually learn things.
2. This also was way more interesting approach from what i was trying out before in different games and still an interesting part of the game, not only trading guilds itself but flipping traveling to random merchants thorough the Tamriel.
3. It was kind of a downside before crown trading, not much of an issue now. You still getting free trial periods to fill the bag with all you might need. In current game state sub don't worth it in a slightest but it was nice way of support when game was getting better.
4. More or less the same as in every mmo right now. Greed to rule em all. Crown trading made it much easier also and one chapter a year is not that much of a deal, only wish that quality and quantity wouldn't decline that badly. There are plenty of houses for gold and also ones you'll get from events like Psijic Villa but it's not something you "need" anyway.

Luckylancer

I agree with Global Auction house and loot boxes. I dont care about loot boxes myself because I can fix the issue by not buying them. But guild stores are income for a few rich players and nothing else.

ESO combat is fast and it makes the game diffrent.

VaranisArano

All of those appear to be working as intended from ZOS' perspective.

Eifleber

izanagi256 wrote: »

1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit.
2) The lack of a Global Auction house
3) The fact I feel like I have to subscribe for the crafting bag and dlc.
4) The monetization system. It feels really predatory between the loot boxes.

All valid arguments and I agree 100% with each of them.

Nevertheless I find the game very entertaining and I love to play it.

Starlight_Knight

All these people saying you don't have to animation cancel and light attack weave are on another planet, good luck getting any vet group content done without ..

izanagi256

If you want to be competitive you need to light attack weave and animation cancel. Unless your dps suffers.

I was really excited for the proposed changes they had on the ptr that they cancelled

gepe87

With current server crisis (another one) Im doing housing and try my luck again in pvp.

Soon or later I might retire from ESO.

vamp_emily

Bad performance keeps me away. Greedy business model stops me from spending more than required.

Zardayne

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

All these people saying you don't have to animation cancel and light attack weave are on another planet, good luck getting any vet group content done without ..

I thought the same thing...Sure you don't have to wear armor, use food or drink, allocate CP points, or hell even use a weapon either...but we do. That's how you become a better player.

If a player just want to pick berries, chat with guildies, run normal dungeon pugs, or play overland and wonder why it's so hard..please carry on without those things if your enjoying it.

Sanctum74

You can complete the majority of the game content without ac or weaving, but yes if you want to be competitive or complete vet content then yes you do and thats the way it should be. Harder content should be more skill based instead of just getting a participation trophy just for showing up.

Starlock

You've told us what keeps you away from ESO. What drew you back in?

tmbrinks

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You can complete the majority of the game content without ac or weaving, but yes if you want to be competitive or complete vet content then yes you do and thats the way it should be. Harder content should be more skill based instead of just getting a participation trophy just for showing up.

Exactly, about 95% of the content is achievable without LA weaving, and probably closer to 98-99% without other animation canceling through things like block cancel, bar-swap cancel, bash weaving, etc...

JBNimble

izanagi256 wrote: »

[...]1) The Combat, I hate Light Attack Weaving and animation cancelling. Its not fun and it takes me out of the game quite a bit. If it was just rotations and weapon swapping I could find myself enjoying it more.[...]

Light attack weaving IS a rotation, well part of it. A bit weird that to know it exists, you need to want to know it exists, not exactly part of the game-manual. Should be however. But yeah, repeatedly pressing buttons in sequence. Rotation. This is it.

AC is a lot weird. I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended, but if someone asks, and you don't know how to fix it, just declare it is intended. But this is not some required basic skill, just some 1%-elitist-sh**.

Rest of the post: Money, money, mi mi mi. Yeah, there is something called greed, welcome to planet earth. You can't run a game with unicorn farts. Same goes for trading guilds. Auction house is easy, yeah. If it's easy for you, it's easy for the bots, too.

Destai

I think if you want to enjoy the game, come back and enjoy it. The super-optimized rotations aren't a requirement and neither are guild stores. Trade Guilds can be a mixed bag, but they give some good tools for finding the right one. I once had a similar impression but started digging into a bit more into getting use out of them. That changed my mind. YMMV.

I detest the monetization, but as so many others have said - it's worse elsewhere. Way worse.

If you love the game, look past its numerous faults and dig in. Don't be robbed of enjoying content you've already bought. Likewise, if you're not happy with the current state, don't buy anymore content. It's up to you.

I refuse to let these current woes completely ruin a game I've invested years and money into.