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Ilambris Clarification

martijnlv40
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I'm sorry if this is clear to everyone except me, but perhaps someone can enlighten me.
What does it mean that it cannot layer the meteor shower?
Ilambris:
Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
Increased the proc chance to 33%.
Fixed an issue where this set was triggering other proc sets.
Fixed an issue where this set’s Fire Damage was not extended by Elf Bane.
It doesn't pay off to use both shock and fire damage anymore? Since only one can be active at once?
So does this mean a nerf?
  • Almsivife
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    I haven't tested it but I interpret it the same way you do: That you can only have one element active at a time, and the active element deals less damage than the two together do on live. So it's indeed a nerf.
  • bol
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    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.
  • Almsivife
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    bol wrote: »
    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.

    Right. I didn't consider the proc chance increase. Unless my reasoning is faulty, average dps would be 0.1 * 2 * 1170 = 234 on live and 0.33 * 2015 = 665 on PTS. So you are right, it's actually a substantial buff.
  • Zippy81
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    Uniqueness gone. Nerf.
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  • martijnlv40
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    Zippy81 wrote: »
    Uniqueness gone. Nerf.

    That's honestly what happened to me. As a magsorc I split my damage, and it was a good set to use because I could get most of the benifits. The 10% proc chance barely bothered me. I'm now thinking of switching to Valkyn Skoria or Nerien'eth. What do you think?
  • JAwtunes
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    Hmm, sounds like a buff but the 10% proc chance feels more like 100% on my mSorc anyway. S**t keeps raining from the sky, or horizontally from a cave wall, all the time!
  • martijnlv40
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    Almsivife wrote: »
    bol wrote: »
    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.

    Right. I didn't consider the proc chance increase. Unless my reasoning is faulty, average dps would be 0.1 * 2 * 1170 = 234 on live and 0.33 * 2015 = 665 on PTS. So you are right, it's actually a substantial buff.

    That's not how it works. It's not up 10% or 33% of the time. Unfortunately I play on ps, so I don't have my own uptime, but it seems to be around 60% that either one or both are active, and about 40% that a specific one is active. So I think it's a nerf for me specifically.
  • Sanguinor2
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    The way I understood it was that you cant have both AoEs at the same time but they dont share a single cooldown so you can proc 1 and then proc the other but idk if that is really correct or not.
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  • daemonor
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    Testing on a mag dk with elfbane illambris outperformed zaan, so to me it looks like a net buff. Not sure about other classess tho, the current live version is horrible on DKs. Skoria is still absoloutely horrible averaging to about 1.5k dps, nerienth is somewhere around 2.3 - pretty meh.
    Edited by daemonor on May 4, 2020 12:35PM
  • ccfeeling
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    daemonor wrote: »
    Testing on a mag dk with elfbane illambris outperformed zaan, so to me it looks like a net buff. Not sure about other classess tho, the current live version is horrible on DKs. Skoria is still absoloutely horrible averaging to about 1.5k dps, nerienth is somewhere around 2.3 - pretty meh.

    Lol, Zaan also limited by the range, gj zos
    Edited by ccfeeling on May 4, 2020 1:04PM
  • Atherakhia
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    I don't know if it's a bug or not, but apparently the fire proc can be layered with itself when wearing Elf Bane since the cooldown on the Fire proc is shorter than its duration. If they intended it for no elements to layers as the description seems to literally imply, than it's likely working as intended.
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    It means you can only proc one type of meteor at a time. It can proc from shock or fire but only one can be active. Since generally speaking there's more fire than shock damage this change means you'll see the fire proc like 90% of the times.

    So yeah another cool and unique feature gone for the sake of "standards".
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  • AgentZenish
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    I used this on my magplar, and it procced ALLL the time. I don't have solid numbers as I was just running around overland on PTS, but I am looking forward to using it on live. Since I always ran two fire staves, I'm seeing this as a buff.
    Edited by AgentZenish on May 4, 2020 1:24PM
  • RaptorRodeoGod
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    Do the meteor showers share a cooldown now?
    Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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  • SidraWillowsky
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    I've tested it in the PTS- it's actually a bit of a buff, but I imagine it might be a slight nerf for sorcs.

    I never realized what the lightning proc looked like until I paired it with Force Pulse on a magwarden, so I'd been missing that damage the whole time. For me, it's a buff because now I don't have to use FP and will just proc the flames. But yeah, tested with the same build on live/in PTS and my DPS went up a tad.

    Still a resoundingly "meh" set and now it's just been made even more boring.

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  • daemonor
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    Anyone else done some monster helm testing? On single target magblade i tested all of the mag dps sets and got these results : zaan>kjalnar>nerienth>skoria. Would be great if they made more mag dps sets viable than zaan...
  • WrathOfInnos
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    I think it’s a buff if you only use Fire Damage and a nerf if you use Fire and Lightning.
  • SaintSubwayy
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    bol wrote: »
    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.

    how is this set now viable on a magDK...we dont have shockdmg
    Same goes for templar, warden and NB....maybe a few exception, depending on Aoe fights.

    (both in consideration of the vAS Flamedestro beeing nerfed as is now)

    Sorc is the only class that uses a reasonable ammount of shock attacks to proc the Shockmeteors, and Flamestaff in Combo for the Flameproc.

    While overall it might be a buff, the set is still a bit to far in the magsorc neash to be viable on all classes IMO.
    Edited by SaintSubwayy on May 4, 2020 2:05PM
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  • Zippy81
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    I used Ilambris on my mag necromancer as they have all the elements available in their kit.

    It's a change that wasn't needed at all, why even bother to change it? Meta will always dictate a solution that's most effective in specific situations. This very set wasn't overperforming, asked for specific elements to be used and I only missed the ice element to be there - it would help wardens proc chilled then. A mini-game proc, really fun. Sure, it was probably impossible to code it to have a separate timer on the fire proc with the elf bane effect so they had to make this change. But who actually even whined about it not being affected by elf bane in first place?

    Classes are different, use various elements and that's why various sets work better with specific classes. Standards, pffft.
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  • WrathOfInnos
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    bol wrote: »
    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.

    how is this set now viable on a magDK...we dont have shockdmg
    Same goes for templar, warden and NB....maybe a few exception, depending on Aoe fights.

    (both in consideration of the vAS Flamedestro beeing nerfed as is now)

    Sorc is the only class that uses a reasonable ammount of shock attacks to proc the Shockmeteors, and Flamestaff in Combo for the Flameproc.

    While overall it might be a buff, the set is still a bit to far in the magsorc neash to be viable on all classes IMO.

    @SaintSubwayy No, that’s the point. Shock Damage generates a weaker proc that prevents the Fire Damage Proc because they share a cooldown and cannot be layered. It’s now better to avoid Lightning entirely when using Ilambris.
  • Atherakhia
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    It was viable prior for any class that uses Force Shock on live because that single spell is your spammable and triggers 3 elements per cast. This is how any class could potentially use the set prior. This change makes the set more valuable overall because it's effectively doing slightly less than double the damage it currently does per trigger despite only being allowed to trigger one type of spell at a time unlike live where it could trigger both. The slight drop in damage per proc is made up for the increased proc chance. Furthermore, it's now even more valuable to a DK than it is on live because of its synergy with the Elf Bane set. With Elf Bane, it can now trigger a second fire proc before the first one finishes because the proc cooldown is shorter than the procs duration (note, as I said above, I'm not 100% convinced this is working as intended, but we'll see if they change it).

    Now if this is more powerful than Zaan, I don't know. Given Zaan's poor value in mult-target fights and buggy nature on every boss with a floating head, it's likely a reasonable contender.
    Edited by Atherakhia on May 4, 2020 2:35PM
  • SidraWillowsky
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    daemonor wrote: »
    Anyone else done some monster helm testing? On single target magblade i tested all of the mag dps sets and got these results : zaan>kjalnar>nerienth>skoria. Would be great if they made more mag dps sets viable than zaan...

    Yeah, for me (magwarden) it's Zaan>Nerien'eth>Kjalnar and Skoria, which are more or less the same, then Illambris, Grothdaar, and Domihaus hanging out in the back as not terrible but not particularly great sets.

    Nerien'eth is going to be nice for people since it's a lot easier to get than Zaan/Kjalnar/Skoria
  • Almsivife
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    daemonor wrote: »
    Anyone else done some monster helm testing? On single target magblade i tested all of the mag dps sets and got these results : zaan>kjalnar>nerienth>skoria. Would be great if they made more mag dps sets viable than zaan...

    I had a hunch Nerien'eth would be stronger than Skoria now. Thank you for verifying.
  • itsfatbass
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    Previously, you could proc the lightning or fire portions of Ilambris SEPARATELY (you could have a fire proc going on in location and lightning in the other). Now, they're tied together and when one procs, both will. It's a buff imo.
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  • daemonor
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    Oh yeah theres also domihaus. The 300 spell damage is cosiderably worse than a working proc tho, that lame immobile circle is impossible to land when testing on training dummies and probably the same in real pve scenarios, barring some thicc non moving trial bosses.
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    bol wrote: »
    - Increased the damage done from each meteor shower to 2015, up from 1170. You can no longer layer each meteor shower.
    - Increased the proc chance to 33%.

    How is this a nerf? To me it looks like a buff. I did test it, and illambris has been buffed compared to live. Plus it is now viable for all magicka classes not just magsorc while at the same time improving your FPS since there is not so much particles that need to be rendered by the game. win win.

    this ^
    well said
    just because they fix items to work properly does not mean it destroyed.
    it now works as intended instead of glitch dependent.
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    By the looks of it you cannot layer them on top of each other. So you can have them both going but not at the same spot.
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  • Septimus_Magna
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    Zippy81 wrote: »
    Uniqueness gone. Nerf.

    That's honestly what happened to me. As a magsorc I split my damage, and it was a good set to use because I could get most of the benifits. The 10% proc chance barely bothered me. I'm now thinking of switching to Valkyn Skoria or Nerien'eth. What do you think?

    Skoria has spell pen as 1pc bonus which is not optimal in terms of efficiency for magicka DDs.
    You can easily gain the same amount of spell pen with a couple CP, increasing spell dmg or spell crit is more beneficial.

    Nerien'eth looks pretty good for magplars with Jabs or magsorcs with Force Pulse.
    Back in the day this set was actually pretty strong on magsorcs so I used it for quite a while.
    If you use a spammable with multiple direct dmg hits the set will proc very often.
    Its a little less useful in fights with a lot of movement because the enemies often move out of range of the explosion.
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  • WrathOfInnos
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    itsfatbass wrote: »
    Previously, you could proc the lightning or fire portions of Ilambris SEPARATELY (you could have a fire proc going on in location and lightning in the other). Now, they're tied together and when one procs, both will. It's a buff imo.

    No, that’s not how it works on PTS. If you proc the Lightning, still only the Lightning meteor shower appears, but both the Lightning and Fire go on cooldown for 8s. You cannot have both effects simultaneously, and you cannot even proc one after 5s (when the effect ends), you must wait the full 8s even between different elemental procs.
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    itsfatbass wrote: »
    Previously, you could proc the lightning or fire portions of Ilambris SEPARATELY (you could have a fire proc going on in location and lightning in the other). Now, they're tied together and when one procs, both will. It's a buff imo.

    No, that’s not how it works on PTS. If you proc the Lightning, still only the Lightning meteor shower appears, but both the Lightning and Fire go on cooldown for 8s. You cannot have both effects simultaneously, and you cannot even proc one after 5s (when the effect ends), you must wait the full 8s even between different elemental procs.

    With Elf Bane, fire portion has duration of 10 seconds and cooldown of 8. If you manage to proc the lightning portion just after the cooldown ended, you have both fire and lightning going at the same time. :trollface:
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