Magicka Nightblades need a burst heal

MotokoHutt

Chelo wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

I’ve fought a magblade guild mate a lot on pts his healing is stronger than my Magdk and his dmg was higher. Adapt. With the vamp rework melee magblades are extremely strong

He is probably a better player than you, doesn't mean his class his class is equal or better than the others...

I mean sure, he probably is better then me at magic Nightblade I am not disputing that fact, I wasnt having a go btw so don't get your panties in a twist. I am just saying that if a magic Nightblade has more self healing then you, then it's more an issue with your build then "his healing is stronger".

Rianai

Lughlongarm wrote: »

All depends on your build and what you want to achieve, magicka NB have much more options than what they are willing to admit.

Yea, just lower your expectations enough and everything will work ...

Makes me wonder why you didn't add Merciless or Sap to your list of great magblade healing options.

kojou

The combination of Swallow Soul and Cloak was supposed to be the Mage Blade's equivalent to a burst heal IMO. Cloak should allow you to take some HoT ticks while avoiding damage.

If cloak or Swallow Soul is not effective then that is the problem that needs to be resolved/balanced.

xaraan

Rianai wrote: »

No. Magblade needs a lot, but not a burst heal.

Agreed. That, and they have a burst heal and zos did the right thing by making players choose between the burst heal or the invis. Giving them both at same time would be too strong.

And the folks saying invis is the only unique thing NB has left are locking themselves into one mindset with an entire class (this is ignoring that everyone can use invis pots). I get that every class has a couple 'theme' skills that are like legacy abilities, but it's not all there is for the class. I also realize it has sucked to see some NB skills lose their unique-ness like fear, grim focus or even invis.

I think the answer is that some of their other skills need love and their burst heal/invis choice is good as it is. If you are going to run and hide, you have time to heal up, if you aren't, you have the heal. I do think they hit their damage/heal ability on funnel health (and morph) and path a little too much considering all the other classes that can heal while putting out some other effect or damage from the same ability. That's more about HoT than burst though.

Lughlongarm

Rianai wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

All depends on your build and what you want to achieve, magicka NB have much more options than what they are willing to admit.

Yea, just lower your expectations enough and everything will work ...

Makes me wonder why you didn't add Merciless or Sap to your list of great magblade healing options.

Didn't mention any of the obvious NB healing skills, also didn't add Swallow Soul/ Shadowy Disguise etc...

MotokoHutt

kojou wrote: »

The combination of Swallow Soul and Cloak was supposed to be the Mage Blade's equivalent to a burst heal IMO. Cloak should allow you to take some HoT ticks while avoiding damage.

If cloak or Swallow Soul is not effective then that is the problem that needs to be resolved/balanced.

Let's say what your saying is true, and the combo of cloak and soul is suppose to be NB's burst heal. The issue is then your having to dedicate 2 skill slot's just for 1 burst heal, and the the fact is even together they don't actually perform as a burst heal anyway, the arguement may be able to be made if they could be used in conjuction with stealth but one IS a morph of cloak voiding that entirely. The only burst heal Mageblade ever had was Healing Ward and that got shelved especially now with the changes to the BRRS.

MotokoHutt

xaraan wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

No. Magblade needs a lot, but not a burst heal.

Agreed. That, and they have a burst heal and zos did the right thing by making players choose between the burst heal or the invis. Giving them both at same time would be too strong.

Wait wait wait, your saying Dark Cloak is a burst heal XD lmfao Dark Cloak lmao a burst heal LMFAO. A. it's healing scales purely off of max hp making it almost pointless for high damage light armor spec's. B. It heals over 8 seconds, that's not a burst heal, thats a Hot, hence why if you go the mageblade Dark Cloak route, you keep it up 100% of the time, not use it just when you need to, which btw is very expensive at 4k per cast.

Chelo

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Night blades should get a bursty heal. Not a burst heal. It needd to be tied to dark cloak. A burst heal with shadowy disguise would be to op and cheesy.

Nope, NB need a Burst Heal that can be used while cloak...

Sanctum74

Imo magblade has more than enough heal options available and don’t need a burst heal especially one that can be used in cloak. There should be a penalty if you wanna hide in a fight. If you keep a shield up then all of your hots with all of the damage reductions you shouldn’t need a burst heal.

Swallow soul our spammable heals you, light attacks paired with siphoning attacks heals you, merciless can give you 10% damage reduction, major resolve, and a burst heal if you get a kill, shade reduces enemy damage by 15%, dark cloak also heals and gives 8% damage reduction, and mark target also gives a burst heal with a kill.

If you need more heals than that then back bar a resto. The only thing id recommend for magblade is increase the merciless heal beyond 7 meters, remove the cast time from soul harvest, and remove the big red telegraph from mark target since it makes enemies wanna turtle up. Edit: I’d also recommend to increase the dot on cripple.

iaminc

Swallow soul and cloak , more than enough healing for a magblade.

Sounds more like a l2p imo.

Langeston

iaminc wrote: »

Swallow soul and cloak , more than enough healing for a magblade.

Sounds more like a l2p imo.

I don't know what you like to do in ESO, but it's clear it isn't PVP — you'd get curb stomped in a matter of seconds in a BG if all you used was Swallow Soul and Cloak.

Seems like it's always the ones that don't know how to play that are going around telling other people to "L2P."

brandonv516

iaminc wrote: »

Swallow soul and cloak , more than enough healing for a magblade.

Sounds more like a l2p imo.

Clueless player.

xaraan

MotokoHutt wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

No. Magblade needs a lot, but not a burst heal.

Agreed. That, and they have a burst heal and zos did the right thing by making players choose between the burst heal or the invis. Giving them both at same time would be too strong.

Wait wait wait, your saying Dark Cloak is a burst heal XD lmfao Dark Cloak lmao a burst heal LMFAO. A. it's healing scales purely off of max hp making it almost pointless for high damage light armor spec's. B. It heals over 8 seconds, that's not a burst heal, thats a Hot, hence why if you go the mageblade Dark Cloak route, you keep it up 100% of the time, not use it just when you need to, which btw is very expensive at 4k per cast.

Despite the tried and true debate method of lol at someone's argument, yes, it's a burst heal for a tank. It's just not the burst heal you want for a dps. And I'd argue that a burst heal can occur over a few seconds if it's bursty enough, I consider the selfish morph of vigor to be a burst heal. Now, if you want to talk about shortening Dark Cloak's heal and making the burst stronger over 3-4 seconds, I'd be with you there, but it would still not scale off magicka IMO and you'd still have to choose between that and invisibility.

Sure, sometimes a hardcore dragonblood type burst is great, but just as often, having that heal split into a few strong ticks can be even better, especially when it's give protection while ticking as well. Just depends on what you are dealing with at the time.

I'd also argue that a class with invisibility and access to shields in Light Armor are in less need of a straight burst heal and having HoTs works just fine, especially when they also have a dps skill that heals puts a hot on them in addition to that. And stam classes, between dodge rolling and having two strong burst HoTs (that better?) of dark cloak and vigor can be very 'tanky'. Either way, you aren't going to get invisibility + a strong DPS based burst heal. It's not a balanced request IMO.

But I'd be with you on tightening up the heal ticks on Dark Cloak if everything else about it was left the same.