Okay Zos just confirmed my suspicions by ingame dialog. We are going to Cyrodiil next year.

Thevampirenight

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I hope not... You're telling me I'd have to wait 8 years for spell crafting. FFS.

It's clear they saved Winterhold for spellcrafting and it only makes sense to bring it out next year after they've fixed standards, class identity and performace issues. I question whether or not people would be happy to visit Skryim 2 times in a row... however, people need reasons to upgrade our current characters. We don't need more classes, we need more skill options. Spellcrafting covers that and I'm not sure why it would ever come in Cyro..

Spellcrafting is something they put on the back burner. It actually was if it did go through and it didn't was actually coming with with the dlc that became Murkmire. So it was going to be Blackmarsh that included it originally. Sure if they change their minds they can use Winterhold but there is a good chance it won't come with Winterhold. Because they placed it on the backburner for a reason and I don't think they have any desire to revive it.
So I doubt they are saving Winterhold for that.
Anyways It made perfect sense they would do Skyrim this year and then Cyrodiil next year.
As the storyline they started with Elswyer was doing more with the Five Companions. Got Abnur Tharn, Cadwell though I don't think hes an official member hes still an important part of it. Sai now Lyris and who is left? The Prophet himself. Lyris is a nord they are doing a full Skyrim Year with her. That just leaves the Prophet and hes an Imperial and I do think they will try and get him back for one finial go around with a Cyrodiil Chapter and finish off the new Five companions focused Storyline they have been doing. That is why its so obvious they are doing Cyrodiil next year. Because its the Prophets Home Turf so to speak, just like Skyrim is Lyris Titanborn's.

Elsonso

Thevampirenight wrote: »

its Also the 15th Anniversary of Oblivion and that would be a great time to do it and I feel that is what Zenimax is doing.

Well, ESO is more the successor to TES 4 Oblivion than it is TES 5 Skyrim. ESO was developed in parallel to TES 5. It would suit them to pay homage to Oblivion on the 15th Anniversary rather than Skyrim on the 10th.

(Edit: Plus, Lambert worked on TES 4)

MashmalloMan

Thevampirenight wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I hope not... You're telling me I'd have to wait 8 years for spell crafting. FFS.

It's clear they saved Winterhold for spellcrafting and it only makes sense to bring it out next year after they've fixed standards, class identity and performace issues. I question whether or not people would be happy to visit Skryim 2 times in a row... however, people need reasons to upgrade our current characters. We don't need more classes, we need more skill options. Spellcrafting covers that and I'm not sure why it would ever come in Cyro..

Spellcrafting is something they put on the back burner. It was actually if it went through going to go through with the dlc that became Murkmire.
So I doubt they are saving Winterhold for that.
It made perfect sense they would do Skyrim this year and then Cyrodiil next year.
As the storyline they started with Elswyer was doing more with the Five Companions. Got Abnur Tharn, Cadwell though I don't think hes an official member hes still an important part of it. Sai now Lyris and who is left? The Prophet himself. Lyris is a nord they are doing a full Skyrim Year with her. That just leaves the Prophet and hes an Imperial and I do think they will try and get him back for one finial go around with a Cyrodiil Chapter and finish off the new Five companions focused Storyline they have been doing. That is why its so obvious they are doing Cyrodiil next year. Because of this and its really predictable in a way.

Sure, from a story perspective and even from a setting perspective it makes sense to go to Cryo.

From a gameplay perspective, it's a shame imo. I don't see spellcrafting ever coming from a setting like Cyro so whatever other new gameplay mechanic they choose is either going to be another new class we don't really need or something much smaller like the Greymoor Archeology or Summersets Psijic Order.

They need to expand the combat in this game drastically. We've been using the same skills for years. For anyone interested in updating their existing characters playstyle, they've been severely misrepresented. The closest we've come to that is Summerset and the Psijic Order only has about 1 type of ability for each role. It really didn't change much, other than making most builds in pvp back bar a broken utlimate for passive Minor Protection which honestly just shoehorns people into homogenization and further feeds the tanking meta.

Cyro would end up being a new class (following their pattern of every 2 years) or another simplistic guild skill line like the Psijic Order.

We need spell crafting, we need new weapons, we need more morph options, more passive options, more choices. Hell, in a way we lost a lot of options because ZOS made dots useless.

Nemesis7884

so shivering isles, knights of the nine and madness motifs.. i dig it

Nemesis7884

Cireous wrote: »

Hmm, I hope Skyoblivion releases beforehand. I need to play this first.

is there an eta on it?

idk

The title of this thread seems to be a little spoiler in itself.

Even players that do not read the OP would be looking for the dialogue because OP put it in bright lights of the title.

Next time I suggest just making a title that based on dialogue you know where we are going next and hide that aspect in a spoiler. That would seem to be the best practice. As it is the use of the Spoiler feature was pretty underwhelming.

Vaoh

Regarding Spellcrafting..... given how ZOS operates, they would be crazy to waste the huge amount of progress they already made in the past for Spellcrafting. It’s also on the backburner (like Jewelrycrafting was), not cancelled (like the extended Justice System). Meaning it’ll come out eventually.

They have had serious issues with figuring out the best values for Standardizing DoTs (Scalebreaker/Dragonhold mess). As soon as they are firm on standardization values those will be used to balance crafted Spell values. I’d say one of the purposes of standardizing values was specifically for this. The same way frost staves were made into a tanking weapon before we got the Warden class (which featured frost tanking skills).

Thevampirenight

Elsonso wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

its Also the 15th Anniversary of Oblivion and that would be a great time to do it and I feel that is what Zenimax is doing.

Well, ESO is more the successor to TES 4 Oblivion than it is TES 5 Skyrim. ESO was developed in parallel to TES 5. It would suit them to pay homage to Oblivion on the 15th Anniversary rather than Skyrim on the 10th.

(Edit: Plus, Lambert worked on TES 4)

Interesting I didn't know Lambert worked on Tes 4.

Thevampirenight

idk wrote: »

The title of this thread seems to be a little spoiler in itself.

Even players that do not read the OP would be looking for the dialogue because OP put it in bright lights of the title.

Next time I suggest just making a title that based on dialogue you know where we are going next and hide that aspect in a spoiler. That would seem to be the best practice. As it is the use of the Spoiler feature was pretty underwhelming.

I'll try and do that next time.
But anyways it does make it interesting for players in a way because they'll go dialog hunting and well I'm sure they will see it when they do. It might even get players to pay more attention to it because they want to know more and that gives them something else to think about as they do the quests and talk to npcs.

Thevampirenight

Vaoh wrote: »

Regarding Spellcrafting..... given how ZOS operates, they would be crazy to waste the huge amount of progress they already made in the past for Spellcrafting. It’s also on the backburner (like Jewelrycrafting was), not cancelled (like the extended Justice System). Meaning it’ll come out eventually.

They have had serious issues with figuring out the best values for Standardizing DoTs (Scalebreaker/Dragonhold mess). As soon as they are firm on standardization values those will be used to balance crafted Spell values. I’d say one of the purposes of standardizing values was specifically for this. The same way frost staves were made into a tanking weapon before we got the Warden class (which featured frost tanking skills).

The last Elder Scrolls Game to have Spell Crafting was Elder Scrolls:4 Oblivion and that was Cyrodiil.
If they were to do spell crafting they could even do it next year with a Cyrodiil Chapter.
So who knows maybe they will do it but, I don't have my hopes out on it happening. But it would be a good tie in if they were to do it.

Vaoh

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Regarding Spellcrafting..... given how ZOS operates, they would be crazy to waste the huge amount of progress they already made in the past for Spellcrafting. It’s also on the backburner (like Jewelrycrafting was), not cancelled (like the extended Justice System). Meaning it’ll come out eventually.

They have had serious issues with figuring out the best values for Standardizing DoTs (Scalebreaker/Dragonhold mess). As soon as they are firm on standardization values those will be used to balance crafted Spell values. I’d say one of the purposes of standardizing values was specifically for this. The same way frost staves were made into a tanking weapon before we got the Warden class (which featured frost tanking skills).

The last Elder Scrolls Game to have Spell Crafting was Elder Scrolls:4 Oblivion and that was Cyrodiil.
If they were to do spell crafting they could even do it next year with a Cyrodiil Chapter.
So who knows maybe they will do it but, I don't have my hopes out on it happening. But it would be a good tie in if they were to do it.

Agreed. The best opportunity to do it would be to advertise “going back to the lands explored in TES: Oblivion and once again crafting spells”

Either that or (far less likely) in Eastern Skyrim, the likely Q4 DLC assuming it includes Winterhold.

Elsonso

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

its Also the 15th Anniversary of Oblivion and that would be a great time to do it and I feel that is what Zenimax is doing.

Well, ESO is more the successor to TES 4 Oblivion than it is TES 5 Skyrim. ESO was developed in parallel to TES 5. It would suit them to pay homage to Oblivion on the 15th Anniversary rather than Skyrim on the 10th.

(Edit: Plus, Lambert worked on TES 4)

Interesting I didn't know Lambert worked on Tes 4.

Yeah. His credit is "Additional Production", which I assume means he did Production no one else wanted to do.

Xvorg

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I hope not... You're telling me I'd have to wait 8 years for spell crafting. FFS.

It's clear they saved Winterhold for spellcrafting and it only makes sense to bring it out next year after they've fixed standards, class identity and performace issues. I question whether or not people would be happy to visit Skryim 2 times in a row... however, people need reasons to upgrade our current characters. We don't need more classes, we need more skill options. Spellcrafting covers that and I'm not sure why it would ever come in Cyro..

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Regarding Spellcrafting..... given how ZOS operates, they would be crazy to waste the huge amount of progress they already made in the past for Spellcrafting. It’s also on the backburner (like Jewelrycrafting was), not cancelled (like the extended Justice System). Meaning it’ll come out eventually.

They have had serious issues with figuring out the best values for Standardizing DoTs (Scalebreaker/Dragonhold mess). As soon as they are firm on standardization values those will be used to balance crafted Spell values. I’d say one of the purposes of standardizing values was specifically for this. The same way frost staves were made into a tanking weapon before we got the Warden class (which featured frost tanking skills).

The last Elder Scrolls Game to have Spell Crafting was Elder Scrolls:4 Oblivion and that was Cyrodiil.
If they were to do spell crafting they could even do it next year with a Cyrodiil Chapter.
So who knows maybe they will do it but, I don't have my hopes out on it happening. But it would be a good tie in if they were to do it.

spellcrafting in Oblivion was tied to the Arcane University... nevertheless, I have a vibe about some weir gate, and a spire full of battles...

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

Oh, I hope so! It will give me something to look forward to while I wait for this disappointment of an eso year to pass. I've been waiting for this.

MaisonNaevius

Vaoh wrote: »

Either that or (far less likely) in Eastern Skyrim, the likely Q4 DLC assuming it includes Winterhold.

It has already been announced that it would be the Reach.

Sphinxmoth

Oh, Nibenay and Colovian Estates themed year sounds like an awesome thing for me.
But I just hope, that unlike TES IV it will be less generic Medieval Europe fantasy styled, but more kind of Roman aesthetic instead; that kind of aesthetic, that Imperials had in Morrowind, Skyrim, and, well, ESO.

Vaoh

Maki2859 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Either that or (far less likely) in Eastern Skyrim, the likely Q4 DLC assuming it includes Winterhold.

It has already been announced that it would be the Reach.

Oh true, ty for that lol. I forgot they had already mentioned it.

MaisonNaevius

Sphinxmoth wrote: »

Oh, Nibenay and Colovian Estates themed year sounds like an awesome thing for me.
But I just hope, that unlike TES IV it will be less generic Medieval Europe fantasy styled, but more kind of Roman aesthetic instead; that kind of aesthetic, that Imperial had in Morrowind, Skyrim, and, well, ESO.

Maybe for some Nibenay cities like Mir Corrup for example. Bravil is a huge slum and the visible model in PvP is bad : breton architecture.

Gideon had to have a "nibenaise architecture" also... Although supposed to be close to the Imperial City, I would have thought of a mixture with Ayleid architecture.


But I think that many cities are marked by the "second Empire architecture" like former colonies, Chorrol, Kvatch and Cheydinhal.
Like Solitude in Greymoor, I think Skingrad will be similar to TES IV but more beautiful. It is still the jewel of ancient Colovia.

Kr3do

The Skingrad area that you could find outside the map isn't there anymore either.

Shadowasrial

Can you imagine oblivion gates opening and players haveing to fight hordes of daedra to open the next level of the tower until you fight the sigil guardian as a boss? Sigil stones could give random unique enchants for weapons armor and jewelry

Vaoh

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Can you imagine oblivion gates opening and players haveing to fight hordes of daedra to open the next level of the tower until you fight the sigil guardian as a boss? Sigil stones could give random unique enchants for weapons armor and jewelry

Lorewise it wouldn’t make any sense for Mehrunes Dagon to invade there like we saw in TES4.

Though I’d say experiencing an Oblivion gate in the form of an ESO trial would be amazing.

MaisonNaevius

Kr3do wrote: »

The Skingrad area that you could find outside the map isn't there anymore either.

All the constructions in the Colovian Estates have disappeared. The texture on the ground has changed. But I think it's related to the update that has saved space on computer.

Solitude reassures me. Because this breton version of Skingrad has long cooled me down.

KingArthasMenethil

TBH if they do a season for Cyrodiil i'd rather they focus on Colovia or Nibenay and don't try to do both because Nibenays remaining area is quite large and can't all be covered by a chapter type zone.

Though if they do Leyawiin I do hope they follow the TES4 concept art then Vanilla TES4 Leyawiin because ships are meant to get past Leyawiin on the way to the IC and the TES4 concept art would give it a unique layout.

starkerealm

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Several dialogue hint to Cyrodil, and anyone that is aware that next year is the 15th annivarsary of Oblivion could see it coming

But will they bring back Oblivion gates though, that's the big question!!

There are two gates in the game currently, I doubt we'll see more anytime soon.

MaisonNaevius

Gaius_Marius wrote: »

Though if they do Leyawiin I do hope they follow the TES4 concept art then Vanilla TES4 Leyawiin because ships are meant to get past Leyawiin on the way to the IC and the TES4 concept art would give it a unique layout.

I completely agree. But the bridges in general, visible even in PvP, leaves me in doubt as to the possibility of ships going to the Imperial City...
And Contramantarci was an ancient southern border of Cyrodiil. With its maritime fortress.

I would like to see Istirus (and possibly the cohort of Istirus). See the centurion Gavo who would help us.




Lots of things I want to see.

James-Wayne

If Cyrodiil is next year I expect 2021 could be the year when the 3 banner war finally ends! The devs have said they wanted to do it for a long time, we've also had many hints in the past especially the big one before the dragons came back when Tharn said he was off to stop the war. There is also a book in Greymoor that hints at Snow Elves possible starting a war so we could see a massive PvP chapter next as well, PvP area needs a massive overhaul after all.

So much speculation but exciting times ahead!!

SeaGtGruff

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Dialogues downright telling it and strongly hinting towards Leyawiin (Bravil might be included).

Bravil is already sort of included in PvP Cyrodiil, just to the right of the Gate of Mnem, so I don't see how it could be included in a chapter or DLC expansion.

MaisonNaevius

They just need to review the architecture of Bravil. Accessible or not.

KingArthasMenethil

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Dialogues downright telling it and strongly hinting towards Leyawiin (Bravil might be included).

Bravil is already sort of included in PvP Cyrodiil, just to the right of the Gate of Mnem, so I don't see how it could be included in a chapter or DLC expansion.

Bravil is just out of Warzone Cyrodiil. ZoS moved it's entrance to the south (In the trans niben which creates some problems) and it's only there for view distance like Crystal tower is for Auridon and the Adamantine tower for multiple Covernant zones so Bravil can be added to a DLC or Chapter zone.
It's not like ZoS could just remove Bravil it's existed since the first era and would have people asking questions (never mind the questions about the place holder assets used in Bravil if I recall the people who tried looking at it in out of bounds areas).

Thevampirenight

Gaius_Marius wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Dialogues downright telling it and strongly hinting towards Leyawiin (Bravil might be included).

Bravil is already sort of included in PvP Cyrodiil, just to the right of the Gate of Mnem, so I don't see how it could be included in a chapter or DLC expansion.

Bravil is just out of Warzone Cyrodiil. ZoS moved it's entrance to the south (In the trans niben which creates some problems) and it's only there for view distance like Crystal tower is for Auridon and the Adamantine tower for multiple Covernant zones so Bravil can be added to a DLC or Chapter zone.
It's not like ZoS could just remove Bravil it's existed since the first era and would have people asking questions (never mind the questions about the place holder assets used in Bravil if I recall the people who tried looking at it in out of bounds areas).

I looked at the map and saw that was that always there or recent?
What I'm seeing here really does look to me like they have prepared it so they could do Bravil
So I do think we will be seeing that as a pve zone. Its hundreds of years in the past so the enterance being in another place makes perfect sense.

I do think they are going do to Bravil and Leweyiin and those will likely be part of the pve chapter they might do. Then at some point we will see Skingrad and the areas around it.
Since Lower Nibenay is bigger I expect that would be what they do for the chapter but I could be wrong.
I'm sure Zenimax has it planned out here on how to include both Bravil and Leweyiin.