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A general post about me and roleplaying on ESO
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It saddens me a streamer would make it harder on the roleplayer community, I mean if he took time to learn it like he does pvp I'm sure he would be quite good at it. This thing he has against mixing emote and say and I don't think he understands Roleplay the rules of it and everything like pvp there is way to do it and what players expect from it.
Sometimes we do like in Emote do the emote chat and then do the say chat there or like I like to do sometimes say what I'm saying and putting the emote Behind "Hello there. *Looks around* Or something like that and so I hope one day he can take time to look up how to roleplay and maybe actually join us.Edited by Thevampirenight on April 10, 2020 1:29AMPC NA
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ZOS_GregoryVmodGreetings all,
After reviewing the thread, we must remind everyone that Naming and Shaming is a direct violation of our rules, and is stated as such:
If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.Naming-and-Shaming: We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming. Generally, naming-and-shaming involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. A certain amount of rivalry and competitive razzing is healthy for any game community, especially one with PVP elements, but naming-and-shaming goes well beyond that. It typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community. If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on April 10, 2020 4:08AMThe Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited - ZeniMax Online Studios
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
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Can you provide proof this does anything?ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface.
The reason people do this -- as well as call out customer service inaction in such areas as @wrrn519_ESO 's problematic charges to their credit card, etcetera -- is because the regular channels don't seem to do anything at all.
Still waiting for ZOS to make a statement about the issue of tickets being apparently useless.
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat. -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Now, I think Fell's Run RP and public ERP are as cringey as the next girl (even as someone who roleplays, myself), but it's not like these people are out in the public venues or swarming wayshrines with this sort of activity. Fell's Run is even more remote than the Riften Tavern. Unless you're doing like the 1 or 2 quests in the game that require you to enter that building, you're going there for one very specific purpose, which is, to run into people you expect to be there.
It's like going into a gay bar and then acting upset when everyone there is gay. You go to a roleplay hub to screw around and get upset when people react and retaliate? All you're really doing is acting the victim. Don't dish out what you can't take. Don't take your stream to places that have content you don't want to stream.
On the other hand, I thank the hero (whose name I won't mention since ZOS will probably accuse me of naming and shaming) that put you in your place there. You got what you deserved. Go back to Cyrodiil with your zerglet group and leave the roleplayers alone.Edited by Zulera301 on April 10, 2020 5:49AMShortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!"" -
Ximinetto✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Now, I think Fell's Run RP and public ERP are as cringey as the next girl (even as someone who roleplays, myself), but it's not like these people are out in the public venues or swarming wayshrines with this sort of activity. Fell's Run is even more remote than the Riften Tavern. Unless you're doing like the 1 or 2 quests in the game that require you to enter that building, you're going there for one very specific purpose, which is, to run into people you expect to be there.
It's like going into a gay bar and then acting upset when everyone there is gay. You go to a roleplay hub to screw around and get upset when people react and retaliate? All you're really doing is acting the victim. Don't dish out what you can't take. Don't take your stream to places that have content you don't want to stream.
On the other hand, I thank the hero (whose name I won't mention since ZOS will probably accuse me of naming and shaming) that put you in your place there. You got what you deserved. Go back to Cyrodiil with your zerglet group and leave the roleplayers alone.
In the first place i do not go in a gay bar knowing that i am not gay. Is a bad example to show,please,think better next time, [snip]. In the second place i am still waiting what you all talk here about roleplaying and the troll.
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Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on April 10, 2020 1:12PM -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭In the first place i do not go in a gay bar knowing that i am not gay. Is a bad example to show,please,think better next time, [snip]. In the second place i am still waiting what you all talk here about roleplaying and the troll.
I wasn't talking to you; I didn't quote your post, nor do I have any idea or interest in what you're talking about since I didn't even see your post. You're barking up the wrong tree, mate.Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on April 10, 2020 1:12PMShortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!"" -
Ximinetto✭✭✭
Ok,just do not put those examples, I do not like it.In the first place i do not go in a gay bar knowing that i am not gay. Is a bad example to show,please,think better next time,because seems the only gay here is you. In the second place i am still waiting what you all talk here about roleplaying and the troll.
I wasn't talking to you; I didn't quote your post, nor do I have any idea or interest in what you're talking about since I didn't even see your post. You're barking up the wrong tree, mate.
Edited by Ximinetto on April 10, 2020 6:31AM -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Now, I think Fell's Run RP and public ERP are as cringey as the next girl (even as someone who roleplays, myself), but it's not like these people are out in the public venues or swarming wayshrines with this sort of activity. Fell's Run is even more remote than the Riften Tavern. Unless you're doing like the 1 or 2 quests in the game that require you to enter that building, you're going there for one very specific purpose, which is, to run into people you expect to be there.
It's like going into a gay bar and then acting upset when everyone there is gay. You go to a roleplay hub to screw around and get upset when people react and retaliate? All you're really doing is acting the victim. Don't dish out what you can't take. Don't take your stream to places that have content you don't want to stream.
On the other hand, I thank the hero (whose name I won't mention since ZOS will probably accuse me of naming and shaming) that put you in your place there. You got what you deserved. Go back to Cyrodiil with your zerglet group and leave the roleplayers alone.
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Now, I think Fell's Run RP and public ERP are as cringey as the next girl (even as someone who roleplays, myself), but it's not like these people are out in the public venues or swarming wayshrines with this sort of activity. Fell's Run is even more remote than the Riften Tavern. Unless you're doing like the 1 or 2 quests in the game that require you to enter that building, you're going there for one very specific purpose, which is, to run into people you expect to be there.
It's like going into a gay bar and then acting upset when everyone there is gay. You go to a roleplay hub to screw around and get upset when people react and retaliate? All you're really doing is acting the victim. Don't dish out what you can't take. Don't take your stream to places that have content you don't want to stream.
On the other hand, I thank the hero (whose name I won't mention since ZOS will probably accuse me of naming and shaming) that put you in your place there. You got what you deserved. Go back to Cyrodiil with your zerglet group and leave the roleplayers alone.
I'm not sure if you felt I was playing victim in this scenario or give a damn about it. I don't. The clip was giving a sarcastic reply to someone who's acting that they are feeling bullied by people on stream when to a public place in town. I've hung out in riften for years without people becoming a crybaby like that.
I idle in the bar between BG matches. I've done that before.. for years. I did it the rest if the stream. I'll do it next one too. I posted to let people know this guys been blocked, he should do the same if he felt offended and move on. The response is this guy coming into my stream after the fact hes been blocked a week ago. You're jumping in on creating a problem where one doesnt exist.
I'll chalk you up to being an angry dominion player. Want to call someone a zerging when you've probably never been to cyrodiil without 20+ people in group. Send word for a duel or group fight. Well see how well you'll fare calling me a zerger then, champ. -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure if you felt I was playing victim in this scenario or give a damn about it. I don't. The clip was giving a sarcastic reply to someone who's acting that they are feeling bullied by people on stream when to a public place in town. I've hung out in riften for years without people becoming a crybaby like that.
I idle in the bar between BG matches. I've done that before.. for years. I did it the rest if the stream. I'll do it next one too. I posted to let people know this guys been blocked, he should do the same if he felt offended and move on. The response is this guy coming into my stream after the fact hes been blocked a week ago. You're jumping in on creating a problem where one doesnt exist.
I'll chalk you up to being an angry dominion player. Want to call someone a zerging when you've probably never been to cyrodiil without 20+ people in group. Send word for a duel or group fight. Well see how well you'll fare calling me a zerger then, champ.
For someone who allegedly "doesn't give a damn about it" you sure did make a windy response. and even blocking someone doesn't stop them from still being able to emote/stalk/harass you with in-game options, speaking as someone who has had a stalker or two try and do those very things.
and yeah, I've been in my share of zergs (let's be real, who in Cyrodiil hasn't?) on all three alliances. Although ironically, the only time I met you was when you decided to bring your little zerglet group to one of the quest cities during an Anniversary Jubilee a couple years ago. I'm sure those low-level AD questers in Cropsford were some really difficult competition for ya, tough guy.Edited by Zulera301 on April 10, 2020 7:03AMShortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!"" -
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But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.
That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.
I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content
/say and /emote is not being spammed when we roleplay. You can choose to turn it off if you don't like roleplay.
On the other side you don't own say and emote channels - everyone can use it and no one is forced to use medieval speech or even use the same language as yours. The content doesn't have to be game related as well - you just don't own these channels and cannot decide what will be said on those. And especially nothing has to be said in a certain way on these channels as well - it just shouldn't be against the TOS, otherwise everything can be said on those channels, if you want it or not and as well in any language, if you can understand it or not. A little bit more tolerance would be nice.Edited by Lysette on April 10, 2020 8:30AM -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Just wow. See this is what’s unfortunate. And to start off, I’m totally indifferent to both the thread creator and the streamer involved.
A player aka the thread creator comes to the forums to tell his side of the story.
Immediately on reading his main post, I could tell we weren’t getting the full story - he is writing angrily and is bound to make the other person aka the streamer sound terrible. This is further exaggerated by the thread creator correlating a potentially biased story to the known issue of innocent RPers being trolled strictly because they are innocent RPers. A lot of irrelevant information (discords, etc) is provided as a way to further the case against this streamer instead of direct details regarding the situation at hand. In fact, the primary info he provided was a convenient clip which was removed by a mod so there’s nothing to even go by anymore. There’s far more random info instead of detailed info about the situation, which is often a sign of there not being much substance to the story. His story is that he did absolutely nothing whatsoever and yet he was trolled because this streamer is actually a horrible person.
The thread creator also tells us this: “.....the saddest thing is, if any of us try to, say, stand up to him, and call him out, he can cry victim, and with the proper editing of evidence, file a misleading report to possibly get a player falsely accused of harassment, which might I add, is a serious accusation in real life.”
Yet..... the streamer was not tagged anywhere to provide the other side of the story......
Therefore we only have a one-sided, clearly biased, edited story, accusing the streamer of harrassment in the same way the thread creator just mentioned. The situation could have been very different than what the poster had written. It’s easy to make up anything when the other party has no way to defend themselves. Now that the other side of the story has finally been provided, there’s a totally different perspective as to what happened here.
And I have to say that I’m disappointed at how quickly some of the forum posters around here have responded because they disliked this streamer anyway. In fact, some posters hate this streamer strictly because they are lumped into the category of being a “streamer” - isn’t this the same as hating someone for being an “RPer”?
Anyway that’s my take on it. Just sucks to see someone get get talked down at so badly and others jump on the bandwagon so willingly when only one side of the story has been told. -
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Just wow. See this is what’s unfortunate. And to start off, I’m totally indifferent to both the thread creator and the streamer involved.
A player aka the thread creator comes to the forums to tell his side of the story.
Immediately on reading his main post, I could tell we weren’t getting the full story - he is writing angrily and is bound to make the other person aka the streamer sound terrible. This is further exaggerated by the thread creator correlating a potentially biased story to the known issue of innocent RPers being trolled strictly because they are innocent RPers. A lot of irrelevant information (discords, etc) is provided as a way to further the case against this streamer instead of direct details regarding the situation at hand. In fact, the primary info he provided was a convenient clip which was removed by a mod so there’s nothing to even go by anymore. There’s far more random info instead of detailed info about the situation, which is often a sign of there not being much substance to the story. His story is that he did absolutely nothing whatsoever and yet he was trolled because this streamer is actually a horrible person.
The thread creator also tells us this: “.....the saddest thing is, if any of us try to, say, stand up to him, and call him out, he can cry victim, and with the proper editing of evidence, file a misleading report to possibly get a player falsely accused of harassment, which might I add, is a serious accusation in real life.”
Yet..... the streamer was not tagged anywhere to provide the other side of the story......
Therefore we only have a one-sided, clearly biased, edited story, accusing the streamer of harrassment in the same way the thread creator just mentioned. The situation could have been very different than what the poster had written. It’s easy to make up anything when the other party has no way to defend themselves. Now that the other side of the story has finally been provided, there’s a totally different perspective as to what happened here.
And I have to say that I’m disappointed at how quickly some of the forum posters around here have responded because they disliked this streamer anyway. In fact, some posters hate this streamer strictly because they are lumped into the category of being a “streamer” - isn’t this the same as hating someone for being an “RPer”?
Anyway that’s my take on it. Just sucks to see someone get get talked down at so badly and others jump on the bandwagon so willingly when only one side of the story has been told.
It's pretty obvious we were not getting the full story, how come that he or she only clipped the part of interest, making it seem like the narrative was actually that.
I don';t like these types of games, they really *** me off, because this is also what people do irl to ruin peoples lives, this is obviously not as serious, but it's the same kind of mentality.
And the people who liked that post without knowing the full context should think a bit more before jumping the gun.
I would be embarrassed for falling for this so easily if i were you.Edited by JinMori on April 10, 2020 9:23AM -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Just wow. See this is what’s unfortunate. And to start off, I’m totally indifferent to both the thread creator and the streamer involved.
A player aka the thread creator comes to the forums to tell his side of the story.
Immediately on reading his main post, I could tell we weren’t getting the full story - he is writing angrily and is bound to make the other person aka the streamer sound terrible. This is further exaggerated by the thread creator correlating a potentially biased story to the known issue of innocent RPers being trolled strictly because they are innocent RPers. A lot of irrelevant information (discords, etc) is provided as a way to further the case against this streamer instead of direct details regarding the situation at hand. In fact, the primary info he provided was a convenient clip which was removed by a mod so there’s nothing to even go by anymore. There’s far more random info instead of detailed info about the situation, which is often a sign of there not being much substance to the story. His story is that he did absolutely nothing whatsoever and yet he was trolled because this streamer is actually a horrible person.
The thread creator also tells us this: “.....the saddest thing is, if any of us try to, say, stand up to him, and call him out, he can cry victim, and with the proper editing of evidence, file a misleading report to possibly get a player falsely accused of harassment, which might I add, is a serious accusation in real life.”
Yet..... the streamer was not tagged anywhere to provide the other side of the story......
Therefore we only have a one-sided, clearly biased, edited story, accusing the streamer of harrassment in the same way the thread creator just mentioned. The situation could have been very different than what the poster had written. It’s easy to make up anything when the other party has no way to defend themselves. Now that the other side of the story has finally been provided, there’s a totally different perspective as to what happened here.
And I have to say that I’m disappointed at how quickly some of the forum posters around here have responded because they disliked this streamer anyway. In fact, some posters hate this streamer strictly because they are lumped into the category of being a “streamer” - isn’t this the same as hating someone for being an “RPer”?
Anyway that’s my take on it. Just sucks to see someone get get talked down at so badly and others jump on the bandwagon so willingly when only one side of the story has been told.
It's pretty obvious we were not getting the full story, how come that he or she only clipped the part of interest, making it seem like the narrative was actually that.
I don';t like these types of games, they really *** me off, because this is also what people do irl to ruin peoples lives, this is obviously not as serious, but it's the same kind of mentality.
And the people who liked that post without knowing the full context should think a bit more before jumping the gun.
I would be embarrassed for falling for this so easily if i were you.
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✭✭ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
After reviewing the thread, we must remind everyone that Naming and Shaming is a direct violation of our rules, and is stated as such:
If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.Naming-and-Shaming: We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming. Generally, naming-and-shaming involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. A certain amount of rivalry and competitive razzing is healthy for any game community, especially one with PVP elements, but naming-and-shaming goes well beyond that. It typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community. If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-
Hey Greg,
Thanks for clarifying stuff about naming and shaming. Personally, if I named anybody, it was not for the purpose of shaming anyone. It was that they were already named and for speed, clarity, and well...GRAMMAR, I used the names. Be that as it may, OUTSIDE the context of specifically naming and shaming, within our community certain rivalries tend to spiral well past "competitive razzing"...at TIMES. I mean I got people in this lil game who my GUTS. I hate hate them too...I guess.
MY CONCERN, is the whole "report them in-game via the support interface." Almost daily some enemy of mine threatens to "snitch me out to ZOS" for SOMETHING. They routinely try to bait me into spoken violations, just so they can rat me out. TRULY, we need some more CHEESE for all the rats we got 'round here. A "hello" to me from some one of my enemies might be "Have you been BANNED yet?" like they've hot-footed it around to ZOS telling them all kinds of stuff lol.
But I'm good. I'm a veteran of many lil online, internet wars. I'm proud to say I won them all except for one (The Great Watermelon War-which I DID lose). And SURELY having been involved PERSONALLY in the shaming of some dummy in another community, I UNIQUELY understand the detriment a very public spat can cause within a community. Though, I would HOPE, if ZOS takes on the mantle of policing our community, that ZOS be thorough and JUDICIOUS as justice demands.
As for this Streamer vs. a Player of Roles Quarrel, I would exhort BOTH sides to handle their little business in private. Rushing to a public forum (whether this ACTUAL forum or Twitch), is a recipe for disaster. I unno, I'm jus' a lil Lane. Take it for what it's worth. Trust me, though. I'm an expert in this lol.
Edited by JumpmanLane on April 10, 2020 11:19AM -
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✭PKMINDBULLETS wrote: »Alright, so, didn't think I'd have to post this, but, I guess now I have to. This is a little forewarning to any persons who don't roleplay, or don't actively engage the very active RP community on ESO. Another thing to note is that I'll be talking about a particular player in this post. I harbor no ill will or hatred towards said player or his community. The only things I dislike at the moment will be addressed.
I. ESO RP, and my Experience with ESO in general:
Elder Scrolls Roleplay sort of shocked me. It is a very nice community in relation to Furry roleplay (Which is purely owo and erotica) and Minecraft roleplay (which is blocks and banning people for no reason). It is indeed a refreshing community full of helpful people who are there at a moments notice. And I can extend that for the most part to the ESO community as a whole. ESO has been my game since I got it as a gift for Christmas on the year it came out (I was 15, and called it Skyrim Online, oh how I was oblivious to the lore back then). I've bought most of the DLCs, and have stuck with it, not including some hiatus's I've taken. I was introduced to ESO RP in quite a bad way. There was this "evil" RP guild (won't disclose the name of it), and I kid you not, on the first day I joined, I was treated to a very brutal public guild *** of a disobedient slave. I left soon after. Then, about two years later, I came back, giving it another try, and here I am now.
II. Do I even need to say the problems?:
Alright, so, now to address the Elephant in the room. The trolls. I'm, for the sake of keeping the Roleplay spots active for the time being, won't be saying where they troll, or even the zones, in this thread, but the trolls are active, malicious, and organized. Some more daring people in the ESORP discord claim that they have discords dedicated to trolling ESORPers. And then...there's [snip].
III. Every outlaw has a boss:
Now, before all you people who legitimately like the guy, whether it be his charisma, his charm, or his good pvp skills, come to his defense and say "[snip]". No, I've seen his streams, watched several consecutive hours of his livestreams, and come to the conclusion that he maliciously trolls roleplayers in an attempt to A. get a rouse out of us, or B. Make us leave , or C. try in some sadistic way to prove a point. And, the saddest thing is, if any of us try to, say, stand up to him, and call him out, he can cry victim, and with the proper editing of evidence, file a misleading report to possibly get a player falsely accused of harassment, which might I add, is a serious accusation in real life.
IV. Why....just why can't people let others have their fun?
Because some people psychologically think that a game must be played a certain way, and if the game isn't played a certain way, or up to social norms, then that/those people are social outcasts, and those people must be made fun of/mocked for their outcast status. That is exactly the position us RPers are in.
V. The Evidence:
[snip]
[snip]
VI. Why post here?:
I've made a ticket, got an automated response. I feel that it is infuriating knowing someone on the stream team, of all things, treats other members of the community like utter trash while people like [snip] and [snip] are on the same page as [snip]. I just hope this gets the message to any moderators or Zenimax Employees about this. My ticket number was 200402-006602
[Edit for Baiting and Naming and Shaming.]
Welcome to the internet. -
bethsheba✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »I unno, [snip] might be right. If y'all were just mad because he walked into a bar to do a lil Tavern Role Play on the low, and was streaming, and captured some of y'all's Lusty Argonian Maid: Part 2 Electric Bugaloo on film, then maybe y'all should just work it out in private.
All he wanted to do was a lil "Order Drink n Chill Roleplay". Not Taboo 99: We doing Freaky Stuff Yet Again! No need to call his stream name out it public, or name and shame him here.
I like Ol [snip]. I watch his stream. I didn't know he got down with The Roleplay. Now I do and now I'm scandalized! What about the lil KIDS! Jumpy LOVE the kids! They THE FUTURE!
Hahahaha, oh god, Pepsi just flew out my nose!
[Edit for Naming.]
from someone who has zero experience with roleplayers, but uses examples he has heard of 2nd or 3rd hand. That's not what happens. -
bethsheba✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »In the early years of the game i would see Roleplayers and stop for a while reading the chat. Usually it was interesting, sometimes it was not. Never thought to intrude on what they were doing.
After housing came out i noticed less RP. i wonder if that is because RP moved into players homes or other out of the way places or if it was a coincidental decline in the RP Population.
It is a shame that some people have to impose themselves on other people's activities.
Sometimes when I pop out of one of my better homes, there's a bunch of people standing around. I duel outside my houses cause one of my pal's gets EXCELLENT frames there. So, I challenge one of em to a duel. They decline. I see all the blue text in chat and realize, "Oh these fools role playing!"
I watch em for a while. Then, I leave. I don't mudball them or nothing. That's just rude.
"fools" No bias at all.
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killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I just watched parts of the stream, where said streamer interacts with the roleplayers. I cant see what he does wrong. He might be a bit rough on the edges, but hes clearly trying to roleplay with those guys. He is behaving the way you would expect someone taking his role would behave. Even talking that way. So, he is approaching them in a way fitting his character. Adressing them as a roleplayer would. What seems to be the issue is these guys doesnt want anyone apart from their little group roleplaying with them. In a massive multiplayer onl,ine game....I wonder who should be given a warning here. Then the name and shameing. You make roleplayers look like fools.
At the same time, look at the players passing by, their names, their outfir....and you feel the need to complain about the ONLY outsider trying to play the game your way. Ignorant and pretentiousness. -
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✭It's worth noting I blocked this guy over a week ago. He screamed in all caps with /yell when I came into the bar that theres a streamer watching. Most the people there dont really care. This guy then came to my chat to continue to provoke. So while it's easy to clip whatever you want, you're free to watch the replay.
What's actually happening is nobody on stream can come and actually engage in this activity. I've met a lot of cool people in the RP community. I've met a lot of people also specifically ERPing. Some RPers here even mention that should be done in private homes. I agree. It's against TOS. The OP I blocked is all about that. It appears hes also a minor. I cant have that crap on stream.
RPers dont own specific taverns. I'm happy to interact with them. The attitude that some put forth that you are beat up and bullied at every turn while simultaneously turning around and cussing someone out for coming in the area and not flirting is absolute BS. Theres plenty or people doing legitimate RP that have cool environments. We dont make fun of that on stream. However, I have no remorse for the people being overly sexual in local chat.
Now, I think Fell's Run RP and public ERP are as cringey as the next girl (even as someone who roleplays, myself), but it's not like these people are out in the public venues or swarming wayshrines with this sort of activity. Fell's Run is even more remote than the Riften Tavern. Unless you're doing like the 1 or 2 quests in the game that require you to enter that building, you're going there for one very specific purpose, which is, to run into people you expect to be there.
It's like going into a gay bar and then acting upset when everyone there is gay. You go to a roleplay hub to screw around and get upset when people react and retaliate? All you're really doing is acting the victim. Don't dish out what you can't take. Don't take your stream to places that have content you don't want to stream.
On the other hand, I thank the hero (whose name I won't mention since ZOS will probably accuse me of naming and shaming) that put you in your place there. You got what you deserved. Go back to Cyrodiil with your zerglet group and leave the roleplayers alone.
I'm not sure if you felt I was playing victim in this scenario or give a damn about it. I don't. The clip was giving a sarcastic reply to someone who's acting that they are feeling bullied by people on stream when to a public place in town. I've hung out in riften for years without people becoming a crybaby like that.
I think I just found one of the contributing factors to The Rift zone chat being... Like That.
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I'm a bit of two minds here.
On one hand as a longtime roleplayer myself, I naturally have zero tolerance or respect for people who harass roleplayers in any shape or form, and such behaviour is not only against the ToS but also really sad and pathetic.
On the other hand, some roleplayers love to paint themselves as eternal victims who are continually bullied and harassed everywhere they go. Some even decry the game developers hate them since they apparently never do anything for roleplayers (I fervently disagree of course, this game is fantastic for roleplay). Of course people with malicious intent will try to get a rise out of roleplayers, when such attitude is fairly regularly on display.
Pro tips: 100% blank the trolls, it's them who are wasting their time, as long as you can read chat, you can roleplay. Never retreat into houses just to avoid potential trolls, never talk in group chat to hide you are roleplaying. Take some pride in your art / hobby and boldly roleplay in public there where everyone can see. Advertise your roleplaying scenes in world chat so that potentially interested people can see it. Maybe some trolls will come, learn to not care about it. Seeing roleplay around is very beneficial for those who are interested but don't know where to look for it. -
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But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.
That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.
I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content
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