A general post about me and roleplaying on ESO

PKMINDBULLETS

Alright, so, didn't think I'd have to post this, but, I guess now I have to. This is a little forewarning to any persons who don't roleplay, or don't actively engage the very active RP community on ESO. Another thing to note is that I'll be talking about a particular player in this post. I harbor no ill will or hatred towards said player or his community. The only things I dislike at the moment will be addressed.


I. ESO RP, and my Experience with ESO in general:

Elder Scrolls Roleplay sort of shocked me. It is a very nice community in relation to Furry roleplay (Which is purely owo and erotica) and Minecraft roleplay (which is blocks and banning people for no reason). It is indeed a refreshing community full of helpful people who are there at a moments notice. And I can extend that for the most part to the ESO community as a whole. ESO has been my game since I got it as a gift for Christmas on the year it came out (I was 15, and called it Skyrim Online, oh how I was oblivious to the lore back then). I've bought most of the DLCs, and have stuck with it, not including some hiatus's I've taken. I was introduced to ESO RP in quite a bad way. There was this "evil" RP guild (won't disclose the name of it), and I kid you not, on the first day I joined, I was treated to a very brutal public guild *** of a disobedient slave. I left soon after. Then, about two years later, I came back, giving it another try, and here I am now.

II. Do I even need to say the problems?:

Alright, so, now to address the Elephant in the room. The trolls. I'm, for the sake of keeping the Roleplay spots active for the time being, won't be saying where they troll, or even the zones, in this thread, but the trolls are active, malicious, and organized. Some more daring people in the ESORP discord claim that they have discords dedicated to trolling ESORPers. And then...there's [snip].

III. Every outlaw has a boss:

Now, before all you people who legitimately like the guy, whether it be his charisma, his charm, or his good pvp skills, come to his defense and say "[snip]". No, I've seen his streams, watched several consecutive hours of his livestreams, and come to the conclusion that he maliciously trolls roleplayers in an attempt to A. get a rouse out of us, or B. Make us leave , or C. try in some sadistic way to prove a point. And, the saddest thing is, if any of us try to, say, stand up to him, and call him out, he can cry victim, and with the proper editing of evidence, file a misleading report to possibly get a player falsely accused of harassment, which might I add, is a serious accusation in real life.

IV. Why....just why can't people let others have their fun?

Because some people psychologically think that a game must be played a certain way, and if the game isn't played a certain way, or up to social norms, then that/those people are social outcasts, and those people must be made fun of/mocked for their outcast status. That is exactly the position us RPers are in.

V. The Evidence:




[snip]
[snip]



VI. Why post here?:

I've made a ticket, got an automated response. I feel that it is infuriating knowing someone on the stream team, of all things, treats other members of the community like utter trash while people like [snip] and [snip] are on the same page as [snip]. I just hope this gets the message to any moderators or Zenimax Employees about this. My ticket number was 200402-006602

[Edit for Baiting and Naming and Shaming.]

Sylvermynx

You have to reply to the first automated response, stating it didn't address your issue, then restate the issue and send the reply back to CS in order to ever get to a human for real assistance. Sometimes it can take several more rounds of replies.

JinMori

We would actually need to know the whole context, because we all know how people act.

RogueShark

Your best bet is to probably just ignore them. Can be hard if they're spamming flashy abilities or emotes, but put 'em on ignore and continue with business as usual. They're looking to rile people, like any troll does, and when you start feeding into it, they'll just sink their teeth in further.

That being said, I will never understand this mindset of... going out of your way to harass people or ruin the fun for other people just to do it. Says more about the troll than anyone else, that they're wasting their own time solely to try and make other people unhappy. Yikes.

Royaji

It will be in your interest to remove all mentions of specific players. Otherwise this thread will be swiftly removed. There is a "no name-and-shame" policy on the forums.

worrallj

Open world rp seems like a tricky thing. There's always gonna be some goofball in underpants and a top hat riding through your somber scene on a pink bullfrog, even without any ill intent.

Rykoth

It is an issue a lot of the RP Community are taking quite personally and rightfully so. While I'm bracing for this thing to be locked due to the (normally very) reasonable policies I do think it's important to understand that it sends a rather bad message when someone with an audience can just... really be against the spirit of what the phrase "ESOFam" is about and get away with it.

It makes many in the RP Community feel as if they simply don't matter compared to someone who brings eyeballs on twitch - and while I really don't believe that is the thinking, it's a bad impression when this goes on unimpeded. This game has a largely great community and this kind of behavior is one of the few black eyes.

Pheefs

worrallj wrote: »

Open world rp seems like a tricky thing. There's always gonna be some goofball in underpants and a top hat riding through your somber scene on a pink bullfrog, even without any ill intent.

yesh!
and then there's the deliberately rude ones who think its funny to throw infinite mudballs during RP at the inn...
how is that fun? & why do they care what the RP'ers do?

SidraWillowsky

Pheefs wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

Open world rp seems like a tricky thing. There's always gonna be some goofball in underpants and a top hat riding through your somber scene on a pink bullfrog, even without any ill intent.

yesh!
and then there's the deliberately rude ones who think its funny to throw infinite mudballs during RP at the inn...
how is that fun? & why do they care what the RP'ers do?

Because they have nothing better to do and, though many of them are grown adults, they think it's funny to act like children and spend hours and hours ruining others' fun.

It's pathetic.

Aznarb

Pheefs wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

Open world rp seems like a tricky thing. There's always gonna be some goofball in underpants and a top hat riding through your somber scene on a pink bullfrog, even without any ill intent.

yesh!
and then there's the deliberately rude ones who think its funny to throw infinite mudballs during RP at the inn...
how is that fun? & why do they care what the RP'ers do?

Because idiot are everywhere on this poor planet.

Sanctum74

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

Rykoth

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

Sanctum74

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

Rykoth

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

Ratzkifal

I don't get how this whole issue even came to be. Roleplayers usually just stand in their bars and talk to each other. Then other players come and interrupt them but SOMEHOW people twist it into the roleplayers being at fault?
The roleplaying guild that I have joined (not a roleplayer myself mind you) even went that far as to go to locations that are inaccessible by normal means (areas that get closed after turning in a quest or parts outside the map but not yet in the checkered far lands) because they wouldn't be able to have an RP session undisturbed otherwise.

I have yet to see an obnoxious roleplayer that goes around harrassing others. Don't get me wrong, the roleplaying community has their fair share of ******** too, but even those don't go around harrassing people outside their own community, so why the hate? Is it because some PvPer came up with the "funny" idea to call the questers in Cyrodiil roleplayers?

JumpmanLane

I unno, [snip] might be right. If y'all were just mad because he walked into a bar to do a lil Tavern Role Play on the low, and was streaming, and captured some of y'all's Lusty Argonian Maid: Part 2 Electric Bugaloo on film, then maybe y'all should just work it out in private.

All he wanted to do was a lil "Order Drink n Chill Roleplay". Not Taboo 99: We doing Freaky Stuff Yet Again! No need to call his stream name out it public, or name and shame him here.

I like Ol [snip]. I watch his stream. I didn't know he got down with The Roleplay. Now I do and now I'm scandalized! What about the lil KIDS! Jumpy LOVE the kids! They THE FUTURE!

Hahahaha, oh god, Pepsi just flew out my nose!

[Edit for Naming.]

kadochka

I don't know this [snip] person well, though I know name-calling/shaming is a violation.. so before the thread is locked, I'll drop my two cents into the donation box.
RPers should not be harassed just because they're there, existing, in a public zone and RPing. If you are doing 18+/erotica/whatever-you'll-call-it, it's preferable that you do it in a special instance/zone or house.. but I guess, there's no rules that say specifically.

[Edit for Naming.]

Sanctum74

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

kadochka

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

I can suggest using Say or Emote chat, which you can also choose to disable/hide. It works as a compromise!

Nestor

In the early years of the game i would see Roleplayers and stop for a while reading the chat. Usually it was interesting, sometimes it was not. Never thought to intrude on what they were doing.

After housing came out i noticed less RP. i wonder if that is because RP moved into players homes or other out of the way places or if it was a coincidental decline in the RP Population.

It is a shame that some people have to impose themselves on other people's activities.

Rykoth

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

/say and /emote is not being spammed when we roleplay. You can choose to turn it off if you don't like roleplay.

Ratzkifal

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I unno, [snip] might be right. If y'all were just mad because he walked into a bar to do a lil Tavern Role Play on the low, and was streaming, and captured some of y'all's Lusty Argonian Maid: Part 2 Electric Bugaloo on film, then maybe y'all should just work it out in private.

All he wanted to do was a lil "Order Drink n Chill Roleplay". Not Taboo 99: We doing Freaky Stuff Yet Again! No need to call his stream name out it public, or name and shame him here.

I like Ol [snip]. I watch his stream. I didn't know he got down with The Roleplay. Now I do and now I'm scandalized! What about the lil KIDS! Jumpy LOVE the kids! They THE FUTURE!

Hahahaha, oh god, Pepsi just flew out my nose!

[Edit for Naming.]

If that was actually what was going on then yeah, ERP shouldn't exactly happen out in public. But even when it's not ERP, it's not really cool to bump into a roleplaying session uninvited, film everything and then refuse to leave when people get upset about that. Because that's what it looked like to me in that short clip. I hope for everyone involved that it wasn't like that.

The counterargument he raises isn't very convincing either. That's the kind of reasoning people use to justify mass surveillance. "What's the problem if you got nothing to hide?" There are several problems actually. In this case for example the implication that instead of just maybe 20 people in the tavern watching, it's now a couple thousand. Some people don't want that kind of attention even if they got nothing to hide.

If a streamer wants to roleplay, then they should "knock on the door" and ask the others if they are okay with being on stream etc first or do it with trusted friends that already know what's up and if it's already too late for that then they should at least respect that others feel interrupted and disturbed by his/her presence.
This is not too much to ask either, because RPers don't RP next to the golden or luxury vendor or similarly populated places anyway, so they are certainly not the ones invading the spaces of others and trying to claim them for themselves.

x48rph

I'm sure this will get locked but before it does I'll chime in that I've personally watched said persons stream while in a role play area and sorry, but they have no intentions of role playing and come specifically to harass people. Go watch some of the videos if you have doubts.

Sanctum74

kadochka wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

I can suggest using Say or Emote chat, which you can also choose to disable/hide. It works as a compromise!

Or just use group chat and this issue would never even come up

JumpmanLane

Nestor wrote: »

In the early years of the game i would see Roleplayers and stop for a while reading the chat. Usually it was interesting, sometimes it was not. Never thought to intrude on what they were doing.

After housing came out i noticed less RP. i wonder if that is because RP moved into players homes or other out of the way places or if it was a coincidental decline in the RP Population.

It is a shame that some people have to impose themselves on other people's activities.

Sometimes when I pop out of one of my better homes, there's a bunch of people standing around. I duel outside my houses cause one of my pal's gets EXCELLENT frames there. So, I challenge one of em to a duel. They decline. I see all the blue text in chat and realize, "Oh these fools role playing!"

I watch em for a while. Then, I leave. I don't mudball them or nothing. That's just rude.

Ratzkifal

Sanctum74 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

I can suggest using Say or Emote chat, which you can also choose to disable/hide. It works as a compromise!

Or just use group chat and this issue would never even come up

That's not how this works. Emote and say specifically exist for roleplayers because it then says in the chat box
"Ratzkifal [says]: Today is a good day." and "Ratzkifal is happy." In group chat everything is the same. They are even locally restricted, meaning that only people near you will actually be able to read what was written and not the whole zone, which is why people don't use zone chat for roleplay.

slicksteezin

Never cared much for roleplay myself, but I'm all for supporting players to be able to play how they choose without getting criticized for it.

And yes, Fengrush is easily in my top 5 of most cringey, narcasistic, unfunny, unentertaining, cancerous *** buffoons I've come across not only in ESO but on Twitch in general .

It's so bad I wouldn't be surprised if the deep state is looking to add the act of forcing a person to watch Fengrush streams to their list of torture interrogation tactics.

Sanctum74

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Respect is a two way street, can’t understand why role players don’t understand that and expect special treatment

We don't expect special treatment. We expect not to be trolled just for doing our thing.

But when your “thing” involves spamming chat and/or erotic chat then it’s being disrespectful js.

That's not what the vast majority of roleplayers do. It's not spamming chat to roleplay. It's not against TOS to tell stories and immerse ourselves into the lore. It IS against TOS to harass people. So don't lump roleplayers into a ball just because of a small minority - just as surely as there's PVE players and PVP players who conduct things inappropriately as well.

I get it but you also have to understand chat is for everyone and if you’re filling it up with stories then it is spamming and disrespectful regardless of the content

I can suggest using Say or Emote chat, which you can also choose to disable/hide. It works as a compromise!

Or just use group chat and this issue would never even come up

That's not how this works. Emote and say specifically exist for roleplayers because it then says in the chat box
"Ratzkifal [says]: Today is a good day." and "Ratzkifal is happy." In group chat everything is the same. They are even locally restricted, meaning that only people near you will actually be able to read what was written and not the whole zone, which is why people don't use zone chat for roleplay.

And that’s part of the problem expecting special treatment and saying certain chat is just for you, like my original post says respect is a two way street and role players just don’t get that so these threads just keep coming up.

JumpmanLane

Ratzkifal wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I unno, [snip] might be right. If y'all were just mad because he walked into a bar to do a lil Tavern Role Play on the low, and was streaming, and captured some of y'all's Lusty Argonian Maid: Part 2 Electric Bugaloo on film, then maybe y'all should just work it out in private.

All he wanted to do was a lil "Order Drink n Chill Roleplay". Not Taboo 99: We doing Freaky Stuff Yet Again! No need to call his stream name out it public, or name and shame him here.

I like Ol [snip]. I watch his stream. I didn't know he got down with The Roleplay. Now I do and now I'm scandalized! What about the lil KIDS! Jumpy LOVE the kids! They THE FUTURE!

Hahahaha, oh god, Pepsi just flew out my nose!

[Edit for Naming.]

If that was actually what was going on then yeah, ERP shouldn't exactly happen out in public. But even when it's not ERP, it's not really cool to bump into a roleplaying session uninvited, film everything and then refuse to leave when people get upset about that. Because that's what it looked like to me in that short clip. I hope for everyone involved that it wasn't like that.

The counterargument he raises isn't very convincing either. That's the kind of reasoning people use to justify mass surveillance. "What's the problem if you got nothing to hide?" There are several problems actually. In this case for example the implication that instead of just maybe 20 people in the tavern watching, it's now a couple thousand. Some people don't want that kind of attention even if they got nothing to hide.

If a streamer wants to roleplay, then they should "knock on the door" and ask the others if they are okay with being on stream etc first or do it with trusted friends that already know what's up and if it's already too late for that then they should at least respect that others feel interrupted and disturbed by his/her presence.
This is not too much to ask either, because RPers don't RP next to the golden or luxury vendor or similarly populated places anyway, so they are certainly not the ones invading the spaces of others and trying to claim them for themselves.

They role play outside MY HOUSE. That's beside the point tho. There's other ways in and other ways out.

I did a lil research. Apparently, Ol [snip] is buddies with the biggest most famous role playing dude in the game. Dude even wears a Dragonguard replica hat when he doing it! (The Famous Role Playing Dude, not Yung [snip]).

So, it's not exactly like [snip] is an enemy of Roleplay. Perhaps this lil intercene role play war could be handled in private. Perhaps in the name of peace across Tamriel, a curtain could be drawn on the next great Orc Army War. I mean does all of ESO REALLY need to bear witness to The Battle of the Winking Skeever: Orc War Edition?

[Edit for Naming.]

Path

So, an old gamer take on RP and the current MMORPG environment.

First. Voice.
It ruins RP. No one chats in spatial.

Second. Spatial chat.
The range is very, very limited.

Third. Lack of RP tag or "server."
We do not have servers. Got it. An RP tag may help players connect.

Fourth. No bio available ingame.
I loved this function. Being able to read a character's story helped me insert myself into theirs.

Bottom line...
RP is an art, one that is fading. Voice has seriously hampered RP. The banter, chance encounters, spatial chat is very much missed in ESO.

It is simply the way games are played in this time. I adore old emote, actions and chat options. Our younglings have dictated this is not the way of the future. Sad. They will never meet lifelong friends, as I have, from playing a game.

D0PAMINE

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I unno, [snip] might be right. If y'all were just mad because he walked into a bar to do a lil Tavern Role Play on the low, and was streaming, and captured some of y'all's Lusty Argonian Maid: Part 2 Electric Bugaloo on film, then maybe y'all should just work it out in private.

All he wanted to do was a lil "Order Drink n Chill Roleplay". Not Taboo 99: We doing Freaky Stuff Yet Again! No need to call his stream name out it public, or name and shame him here.

I like Ol [snip]. I watch his stream. I didn't know he got down with The Roleplay. Now I do and now I'm scandalized! What about the lil KIDS! Jumpy LOVE the kids! They THE FUTURE!

Hahahaha, oh god, Pepsi just flew out my nose!

[Edit for Naming.]

If that was actually what was going on then yeah, ERP shouldn't exactly happen out in public. But even when it's not ERP, it's not really cool to bump into a roleplaying session uninvited, film everything and then refuse to leave when people get upset about that. Because that's what it looked like to me in that short clip. I hope for everyone involved that it wasn't like that.

The counterargument he raises isn't very convincing either. That's the kind of reasoning people use to justify mass surveillance. "What's the problem if you got nothing to hide?" There are several problems actually. In this case for example the implication that instead of just maybe 20 people in the tavern watching, it's now a couple thousand. Some people don't want that kind of attention even if they got nothing to hide.

If a streamer wants to roleplay, then they should "knock on the door" and ask the others if they are okay with being on stream etc first or do it with trusted friends that already know what's up and if it's already too late for that then they should at least respect that others feel interrupted and disturbed by his/her presence.
This is not too much to ask either, because RPers don't RP next to the golden or luxury vendor or similarly populated places anyway, so they are certainly not the ones invading the spaces of others and trying to claim them for themselves.

They role play outside MY HOUSE. That's beside the point tho. There's other ways in and other ways out.

I did a lil research. Apparently, Ol [snip] is buddies with the biggest most famous role playing dude in the game. Dude even wears a Dragonguard replica hat when he doing it! (The Famous Role Playing Dude, not Yung Feng!).

So, it's not exactly like [snip] is an enemy of Roleplay. Perhaps this lil intercene role play war could be handled in private. Perhaps in the name of peace across Tamriel, a curtain could be drawn on the next great Orc Army War. I mean does all of ESO REALLY need to bear witness to The Battle of the Winking Skeever: Cold War Edition?

[Edit for Naming.

Thats [snip]. Love that guy. I sent him some PvP gear to get him started. He's just a cool ass dude.

[Edit for Naming.