[POLL] Should ZoS add clear-skin for vampires with Greymoor?

Tethalion

There are lots of discussions regarding whether vampires should have the option to look normal. With the coming of Greymoor and vampire features being actively iterated, it's a good time for the player-base to be heard on the subject in a quantitative fashion. This isn't for a discussion on your views; there're lots of threads for that. This is just to generate a current snapshot for user wants in regard to this specific feature request.

zvavi

The necromancer skin from scalecaller is hiding vampirism very well (with small light additions on the face)

Vevvev

Hopefully they do this but sadly it might look like we'll get covered in blood that is visible whether you have a skin equipped or not. I hope they don't go this route and instead do a different way of visually changing the vampire stages that doesn't involve wearing your meal.

StormeReigns

I just want my Nocturnal Outlaw Tattoos to not be faded. Plus, that tattoo would look pretty decent on top of vamp's pale/white skin.

Thevampirenight

I think the gore will be a visual effect but not a perm one maybe a couple of minutes at most. I can also see this being a toggle option. Because some people do have children and don't want to have a full on bloodly appearance that doesn't go away and from what I saw it does go away as there is pics showing its not on the vampires skin at all times.

RefLiberty

It should be a skin obtainable as reward by doing some quest chain. To actually promote the playing the game not swiping your credit card I CS.

Coppes

I think as it being the drawback to have some of the best passives in the game.

Thevampirenight

The thing is Skins can cover it up but I do think Zenimax wants players to know if they are fighting a vampire or see that. I don't think we will see a skin that will do that. I think its likely Skins will only be able to cover it up to point. If its true Vampirism will no longer fully be covered up by skins at higher stages.

Mindcr0w

The thing is Skins can cover it up but I do think Zenimax wants players to know if they are fighting a vampire or see that

.

I mean you can wear clothes/armor that cover you completely. Unless they plan on getting rid of closed face helms, and making all chest pieces tank tops I say just let people hide the vamp skin if they want to.

RobotSparkles

I hate how my vampire looks... I have it for the magicka passives but wish I could cure it or cover it up. A skin unlocked through a quest line or something would be amazing.

radiostar

It only needs to be cued in pvp, pve shouldn't matter

Thevampirenight

Mindcr0w wrote: »

The thing is Skins can cover it up but I do think Zenimax wants players to know if they are fighting a vampire or see that

.

I mean you can wear clothes/armor that cover you completely. Unless they plan on getting rid of closed face helms, and making all chest pieces tank tops I say just let people hide the vamp skin if they want to.

I don't think it really matters to them much as most helms are open and even more players might just hide their helms and that way players would still know what they are facing.
I do think and going by that one video was many years ago as to why there wasn't an option added to hide it but they might add it to disguises was Pvp however they never did and when there was a bug they removed it so disguises wouldn't hide players vampirism. So that shows they are in the mind set that Vampirism should be noticeable by other players.
I doubt that has changed even with skins.

Alidel

Would be awesome if vampire cosmetic changes could be toggled on/off in settings at all.

Coatmagic

Coppes wrote: »

I think as it being the drawback to have some of the best passives in the game.

*cough* not anymore xD

Integral1900

The argument that players need to see your a vampire is null an void

You can already hide you whole body and head, also that blood will never be seen on dull or dark colours anyway

There is zero reason not to give us the option to look normal. I don’t care if it’s crown store or a quest but why the hell cant we look like we can blend in. Skyrim had vampires that looked normal to fit in! There are plenty of vampire characters in elder scrolls lore that blend in so why can’t we! Why do eso vampires have to look like some blood crazed drug addict all the time

Maybe it could switch of in combat or something. I mean come on. Be reasonable, you stuck that stupid man bat transformation into my beloved bats ultimate so at least give us this!

FierceSam

Thevampirenight wrote: »

The thing is Skins can cover it up but I do think Zenimax wants players to know if they are fighting a vampire or see that. I don't think we will see a skin that will do that. I think its likely Skins will only be able to cover it up to point. If its true Vampirism will no longer fully be covered up by skins at higher stages.

Having players look butt ugly just so a tiny minority of PvP players can occasionally ‘tell’ their opponent is a vampire has to be one of the worst trade offs imaginable. I can see maybe a handful of players getting any meaningful benefit out of that information and then only for the few seconds they are actually fighting that character.

My vamps are only vamps because of the passives, like most player vamps they rarely, if ever use their vamp skills (indeed they are penalised for feeding) and vamping has no bearing on their gameplay. Making them butt ugly 100% of the time is a colossal mistake, but fortunately one that is easily covered by the excellent Meridian skin from DoM.

Thevampirenight

FierceSam wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

The thing is Skins can cover it up but I do think Zenimax wants players to know if they are fighting a vampire or see that. I don't think we will see a skin that will do that. I think its likely Skins will only be able to cover it up to point. If its true Vampirism will no longer fully be covered up by skins at higher stages.

Having players look butt ugly just so a tiny minority of PvP players can occasionally ‘tell’ their opponent is a vampire has to be one of the worst trade offs imaginable. I can see maybe a handful of players getting any meaningful benefit out of that information and then only for the few seconds they are actually fighting that character.

My vamps are only vamps because of the passives, like most player vamps they rarely, if ever use their vamp skills (indeed they are penalised for feeding) and vamping has no bearing on their gameplay. Making them butt ugly 100% of the time is a colossal mistake, but fortunately one that is easily covered by the excellent Meridian skin from DoM.

I think they want appearance to be somewhat of a Trade off. So that everyone wouldn't just be a vampire. So I do think that is some of the reasoning for it. They don't want everyone to become one.
If they did add such a skin, a clear skin that makes you look just as your mortal self. Then more and more people would go vampire for their builds because it has many benefits.
So having the appearance draw back could be one way they could avoid that from happening. It could be very much the reason why they have not added such an option.

TheFM

zvavi wrote: »

The necromancer skin from scalecaller is hiding vampirism very well (with small light additions on the face)

It looks like skins will not work on vampires, which is unacceptable to me.

Tethalion

TheFM wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

The necromancer skin from scalecaller is hiding vampirism very well (with small light additions on the face)

It looks like skins will not work on vampires, which is unacceptable to me.

Really? I haven't come across that in a post, yet. So skins will no longer override any stages of the vampiric appearance?

RogueShark

Tethalion wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

The necromancer skin from scalecaller is hiding vampirism very well (with small light additions on the face)

It looks like skins will not work on vampires, which is unacceptable to me.

Really? I haven't come across that in a post, yet. So skins will no longer override any stages of the vampiric appearance?

From what I understand, they were reportedly not overriding the appearance during testing.
I would be really surprised if this isn't a bug, though... mostly because if vampires can't utilize skins, they won't be buying skins in the crown store.

At this point, there's no reason not to offer a cosmetic to overcome the vampire appearance. You can already completely hide your vampirism with skins or armor. If the skin thing isn't a bug and they will force the vampiric appearance on people, you can still completely hide it with armor. It's a "drawback" that is easily overcome and exists only as a cosmetic inconvenience. The ACTUAL drawbacks of the skill line are things like increased fire damage, increased ability cost, etc.

Royaji

Or they can, you know, design vampire appearance so it does not look so bad that even hardcore vampire roleplayers want to hide it?

WraithShadow13

Overall, i think it would be nice to get it like a Costume or Character Creation option. With both Vampires AND Werewolves, it would be nice to be able to customize your character's version of it. More so, now that newer DLC's include much larger werewolves or with the new Bat Scion as the ultimate. Personally, i think it looks terrible, and wouldn't want it on my characters. I would prefer to have control over the way these forms look but barring that, i would rather just have a "Helmet on/off" option for them. Them AND shoulder pads, both for the same reason.

Sylvermynx

Integral1900 wrote: »

The argument that players need to see your a vampire is null an void

You can already hide you whole body and head, also that blood will never be seen on dull or dark colours anyway

There is zero reason not to give us the option to look normal. I don’t care if it’s crown store or a quest but why the hell cant we look like we can blend in. Skyrim had vampires that looked normal to fit in! There are plenty of vampire characters in elder scrolls lore that blend in so why can’t we! Why do eso vampires have to look like some blood crazed drug addict all the time

Maybe it could switch of in combat or something. I mean come on. Be reasonable, you stuck that stupid man bat transformation into my beloved bats ultimate so at least give us this!

I *think* the issue is that many who play vamps don't want to wear "all encompassing" armor. They want to do costumes or interesting motifs, and that means they (assuming full use of the passives) look "ugly" as to skin/flesh. I get that in a way - I don't do full armor with helm, because that's not how I want to play any more - I want my characters to look how they see themselves (eh, yeah, don't ask, 'kay?) and many times that's anything but fully armored (eh, most of the time....)

Problem is that ZOS has decided how vampires look. And it doesn't seem as if they want to throw the dogs some bones.

I guess.... good luck, keep hoping?

xaraan

I have no strong opinion as long as the skins we earn/buy still work. I've seen the blood splatter thing when they are in bloodlust, so maybe that's a way they plan on offering a 'normal' skin in the future while still offering a way for players to see if you are a vampire.

Michae

I like the way vampires look, I stay on stage one mostly but I understand the sentiment. Appearing normal is a skill that NPC vampires in ESO seem to have so if players want it it should be available, but it shouldn't be tied to cosmetics or crown store.

Tethalion

[Bump]

idk

We have seen Zos is more than willing to bend to the squeaky wheel. However, most of the available responses are pointless. If Zos becomes willing to add such an option they will decide how it is added, not by an overly complicated poll. They will decide if it will be crown store or something else available in-game.

peacenote

I picked the closest poll option but I'm not sure any of them completely represent my point of view.

At this point in the game, with many ways to hide your appearance or augment "ESO realism" with "fantasy" (hopefully that makes sense -- ESO is fantasy in and of itself, but has a natural-ish look to it which people like and as such become frustrated with the more "glowy" and "showy" options because it impacts immersion) I think it's time to let go to those few last restrictions and let people look the way they want to look. We lost the dedication to "ESO realism" the second the Crown Store came into being.

I think you should be able to apply a skin to look as if you are in any of the four CURRENT stages vampirism, the new vampirism looks, or hide vampirism completely. I think these should be a Crown Store skins because mementos, food, etc. are temporary and would be only a tease, but an in-game reward doesn't make a lot of sense since it wouldn't be usable by all (for example, werewolf characters).

If the vampire skill line wasn't being changed so drastically, I'd support these skins to be used only if you are a vampire, as a fun benefit to being one, but given that the line won't have Supernatural Recovery anymore and therefore probably won't make sense for a lot of builds, maybe at this point these skins should be available to all so folks who no longer can be actual vampires can still pretend.

I'd like to see similar options being given to werewolves... give them different fur skins, and a way to stay transformed out of combat so that if you just want to be seen as a werewolf, you can be.

I know not everyone will like this point of view but I just think, at this point, let people look how they want to look.

x48rph

I don't care which way they implement it but it would be nice to have the option, or at the very least fix the body markings and tattoos.

priforce

Tethalion wrote: »

There are lots of discussions regarding whether vampires should have the option to look normal. With the coming of Greymoor and vampire features being actively iterated, it's a good time for the player-base to be heard on the subject in a quantitative fashion. This isn't for a discussion on your views; there're lots of threads for that. This is just to generate a current snapshot for user wants in regard to this specific feature request.

So there isn't a "no, keep things the way they are," option? What a way to skew the polls!

Tethalion

priforce wrote: »

Tethalion wrote: »

There are lots of discussions regarding whether vampires should have the option to look normal. With the coming of Greymoor and vampire features being actively iterated, it's a good time for the player-base to be heard on the subject in a quantitative fashion. This isn't for a discussion on your views; there're lots of threads for that. This is just to generate a current snapshot for user wants in regard to this specific feature request.

So there isn't a "no, keep things the way they are," option? What a way to skew the polls!

Option 5 (orange).