Known players selling Godslayer carries? How come?

Dragonnord

I have seen several offers in Craglorn, PvP and other zones selling Godslayer runs, and people say the only way is by logging in and playing with the buyer's account (completely against ToS).

And some of the players offering these carries are highly known in the end-game community, some even stream in Twitch.

So, how can they offer Godslayer carries using a method against the ToS? How? Why? They are even known players ffs!
 

Sylvermynx

So you should report this probably - not on the forum, using approved reporting through the website or in game.

Tsar_Gekkou

I guess Zos doesn't care as much about account sharing as they do with people selling gold or stuff for real money. I've seen people get banned after bragging about selling gold for real money in zone chat but no one really cares about reporting someone for sharing an account.

Disturbed_One

Yup... several of those players have already been banned for exploiting previously. They just bought new accounts from those selling them, and now they're selling carries that requires them to log onto other player's accounts.

Multiple cases of breaking the ToS. It's apparent that ZoS does not care in the least, as they've been reported multiple times.

The_Old_Goat

I don't think that's how it's being done, I'm pretty sure they are carrying you through the trials.

Dragonnord

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

I don't think that's how it's being done, I'm pretty sure they are carrying you through the trials.

I'm talking about Godslayer specifically. There's no way to sell Godslayer without braking the ToS.
 

Disturbed_One

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

I don't think that's how it's being done, I'm pretty sure they are carrying you through the trials.

I asked. The specific "no death" achievements require you to let somebody else play your account. They won't "carry" you to it

x48rph

Dragonnord wrote: »

I have seen several offers in Craglorn, PvP and other zones selling Godslayer runs, and people say the only way is by logging in and playing with the buyer's account (completely against ToS).

And some of the players offering these carries are highly known in the end-game community, some even stream in Twitch.

So, how can they offer Godslayer carries using a method against the ToS? How? Why? They are even know players FFS!
 

Can't imagine giving someone full access to my account like that. That being said, there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way for ZOS to take action

PS, Not even sure it's a TOS violation to allow someone else to play on your account provided your not selling the account itself. When I first started on PS4 I was told it was ok for multiple people (aka myself and kids) to use the same account to play

idk

Sylvermynx wrote: »

So you should report this probably - not on the forum, using approved reporting through the website or in game.

This ^^^^

Creating a thread in the forum helps them sell more carries since they can talk about it, sans logging into the buyer's account. It gives them a place to advertise.

Disturbed_One

x48rph wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I have seen several offers in Craglorn, PvP and other zones selling Godslayer runs, and people say the only way is by logging in and playing with the buyer's account (completely against ToS).

And some of the players offering these carries are highly known in the end-game community, some even stream in Twitch.

So, how can they offer Godslayer carries using a method against the ToS? How? Why? They are even know players FFS!
 

Can't imagine giving someone full access to my account like that. That being said, there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way for ZOS to take action

PS, Not even sure it's a TOS violation to allow someone else to play on your account provided your not selling the account itself. When I first started on PS4 I was told it was ok for multiple people (aka myself and kids) to use the same account to play

Big difference between multiple people in the same house to use an account, than to let some stranger from another location do it.

Arunei

@x48rph
I agree about the part where I would be leery of anyone I don't know wanting access to my account to do an achieve for me. Too easy for people to take stuff from your account like rare mats or extra money and not realize it. That being said it is against the TOS to let other people use your account, whether you're actually selling it or not. Misinformation spreads easily and there are plenty of other times when people have gotten mixed responses from CS on similar or the same issue.

VaranisArano

x48rph wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I have seen several offers in Craglorn, PvP and other zones selling Godslayer runs, and people say the only way is by logging in and playing with the buyer's account (completely against ToS).

And some of the players offering these carries are highly known in the end-game community, some even stream in Twitch.

So, how can they offer Godslayer carries using a method against the ToS? How? Why? They are even know players FFS!
 

Can't imagine giving someone full access to my account like that. That being said, there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way for ZOS to take action

PS, Not even sure it's a TOS violation to allow someone else to play on your account provided your not selling the account itself. When I first started on PS4 I was told it was ok for multiple people (aka myself and kids) to use the same account to play

It is against the Code of Conduct, under the Privacy section. You can't attempt to gain anyone's account info, nor share your own.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct

That being said, I'd have to agree that ZOS would need to investigate more fully to be certain that account sharing is what's happening. Regular carries for gold are allowed by ZOS.

Dragonnord

x48rph wrote: »

...there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way...

You know what Godslayer is, right? Using another player's account is the only way.
 

Sylvermynx

Dragonnord wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

...there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way...

You know what Godslayer is, right? Using another player's account is the only way.
 

Most likely, there are a lot of folks who play who simply do not know that. Not everyone spends months reading everything about a game as I do....

Again. Report it through channels. Forum posts are GIGO when it comes to serious stuff.

theyancey

There is no way i Oblivion that I would turn the keys to my account over to some one!

Disturbed_One

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

...there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way...

You know what Godslayer is, right? Using another player's account is the only way.
 

Most likely, there are a lot of folks who play who simply do not know that. Not everyone spends months reading everything about a game as I do....

Again. Report it through channels. Forum posts are GIGO when it comes to serious stuff.

They've been reported plenty of times through channels. ZoS, seemingly because they're "known" players, is actively ignoring it.

Sylvermynx

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

...there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way...

You know what Godslayer is, right? Using another player's account is the only way.
 

Most likely, there are a lot of folks who play who simply do not know that. Not everyone spends months reading everything about a game as I do....

Again. Report it through channels. Forum posts are GIGO when it comes to serious stuff.

They've been reported plenty of times through channels. ZoS, seemingly because they're "known" players, is actively ignoring it.

Not a surprise. But then I'm a cynic anyway.

VaranisArano

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

...there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way...

You know what Godslayer is, right? Using another player's account is the only way.
 

Most likely, there are a lot of folks who play who simply do not know that. Not everyone spends months reading everything about a game as I do....

Again. Report it through channels. Forum posts are GIGO when it comes to serious stuff.

They've been reported plenty of times through channels. ZoS, seemingly because they're "known" players, is actively ignoring it.

Just keep reporting it when you see it. ZOS took their sweet time about the vAS exploits too...and then whacked a bunch of people with the banhammer. Sometimes its hard to tell if ZOS really isn't doing anything or if they are biding their time for an investigation.

I'd join in reporting these suspicions, but I'm taking a break from PC/NA zone chat while current events take their course.

idk

x48rph wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I have seen several offers in Craglorn, PvP and other zones selling Godslayer runs, and people say the only way is by logging in and playing with the buyer's account (completely against ToS).

And some of the players offering these carries are highly known in the end-game community, some even stream in Twitch.

So, how can they offer Godslayer carries using a method against the ToS? How? Why? They are even know players FFS!
 

Can't imagine giving someone full access to my account like that. That being said, there would need to be some more evidence other than "people say" it's the only way for ZOS to take action

PS, Not even sure it's a TOS violation to allow someone else to play on your account provided your not selling the account itself. When I first started on PS4 I was told it was ok for multiple people (aka myself and kids) to use the same account to play

1st. all it takes is for me to tell Zos what I saw or heard. Screenshot it if they are typing it. Then Zos can tell that all of a sudden someone is playing your account from a different IP in a different state or county and things get thorny from there.

Remember, OP saw then talking about it in zone chat (not to smart) so Zos could seem them playing different accounts from different areas of the country. People do not instantly travel from Dallas to Dubai in a matter of minutes. Think about that for a moment.

2nd, Varanis provided the information from Zos concerning this though I think there is more to it than what he provided.

Ratzkifal

Oh boy there is a lot to unpack here...
First of all, ZOS has been banning known players in the past too when they did bannable stuff, sometimes unbanning them after they reformed (or "reformed") and sometimes not unbanning them at all. I vaguely remember a case like that about three to four years ago, but forgot the name since the guy has not been creating any more content after he got banned (for obvious reasons).

Secondly, selling carry runs is not against the TOS as long as you do it for gold (or crown store stuff, since those count as ingame items too). I am not suggesting anyone in here said something different, but for the sake of completion it needs to be said.

And lastly, there is nothing about the Godslayer achievement that requires the carrying party to log onto the account of the person paying for the carry run - that I am aware of at least. All the person getting carried needs to do for it is survive the whole run and do minimal mechanics in order to prevent wipes. I am also not aware of any wipe mechanics in vSS that affect individual players (like the overload mechanic in CR+3 for example). Tombs can be handled by other players. Maybe on their
hardmodes, I wouldn't know that.
The group only needs to be able to do Godslayer with one less member in their group to be able to sell carry runs. The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

Disturbed_One

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Oh boy there is a lot to unpack here...
First of all, ZOS has been banning known players in the past too when they did bannable stuff, sometimes unbanning them after they reformed (or "reformed") and sometimes not unbanning them at all. I vaguely remember a case like that about three to four years ago, but forgot the name since the guy has not been creating any more content after he got banned (for obvious reasons).

Secondly, selling carry runs is not against the TOS as long as you do it for gold (or crown store stuff, since those count as ingame items too). I am not suggesting anyone in here said something different, but for the sake of completion it needs to be said.

And lastly, there is nothing about the Godslayer achievement that requires the carrying party to log onto the account of the person paying for the carry run - that I am aware of at least. All the person getting carried needs to do for it is survive the whole run and do minimal mechanics in order to prevent wipes. I am also not aware of any wipe mechanics in vSS that affect individual players (like the overload mechanic in CR+3 for example). Tombs can be handled by other players. Maybe on their
hardmodes, I wouldn't know that.
The group only needs to be able to do Godslayer with one less member in their group to be able to sell carry runs. The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

The people offering the carries are specifically requiring you to offer up control of your account to somebody to run for you. Thus, violation of ToS.

idk

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

Simply put this part is not easy for the average player in the new HM trials, let alone the vet difficulty. Very easy to say it though.

Ratzkifal

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Oh boy there is a lot to unpack here...
First of all, ZOS has been banning known players in the past too when they did bannable stuff, sometimes unbanning them after they reformed (or "reformed") and sometimes not unbanning them at all. I vaguely remember a case like that about three to four years ago, but forgot the name since the guy has not been creating any more content after he got banned (for obvious reasons).

Secondly, selling carry runs is not against the TOS as long as you do it for gold (or crown store stuff, since those count as ingame items too). I am not suggesting anyone in here said something different, but for the sake of completion it needs to be said.

And lastly, there is nothing about the Godslayer achievement that requires the carrying party to log onto the account of the person paying for the carry run - that I am aware of at least. All the person getting carried needs to do for it is survive the whole run and do minimal mechanics in order to prevent wipes. I am also not aware of any wipe mechanics in vSS that affect individual players (like the overload mechanic in CR+3 for example). Tombs can be handled by other players. Maybe on their
hardmodes, I wouldn't know that.
The group only needs to be able to do Godslayer with one less member in their group to be able to sell carry runs. The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

The people offering the carries are specifically requiring you to offer up control of your account to somebody to run for you. Thus, violation of ToS.

You said "people say" that is the case and the only way to do it. It is not the only way to do it, but if you got any first-hand evidence that's what's going on, then feel free to report these guys.

idk

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Oh boy there is a lot to unpack here...
First of all, ZOS has been banning known players in the past too when they did bannable stuff, sometimes unbanning them after they reformed (or "reformed") and sometimes not unbanning them at all. I vaguely remember a case like that about three to four years ago, but forgot the name since the guy has not been creating any more content after he got banned (for obvious reasons).

Secondly, selling carry runs is not against the TOS as long as you do it for gold (or crown store stuff, since those count as ingame items too). I am not suggesting anyone in here said something different, but for the sake of completion it needs to be said.

And lastly, there is nothing about the Godslayer achievement that requires the carrying party to log onto the account of the person paying for the carry run - that I am aware of at least. All the person getting carried needs to do for it is survive the whole run and do minimal mechanics in order to prevent wipes. I am also not aware of any wipe mechanics in vSS that affect individual players (like the overload mechanic in CR+3 for example). Tombs can be handled by other players. Maybe on their
hardmodes, I wouldn't know that.
The group only needs to be able to do Godslayer with one less member in their group to be able to sell carry runs. The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

The people offering the carries are specifically requiring you to offer up control of your account to somebody to run for you. Thus, violation of ToS.

You said "people say" that is the case and the only way to do it. It is not the only way to do it, but if you got any first-hand evidence that's what's going on, then feel free to report these guys.

I would suggest just reporting those trying to sell the achievement. All it takes is Zos to check their IP and what accounts have been accessed by that IP. If that IP accesses an account normally accessed by a very different geographical area then we have a live one that is very difficult for the players to explain how they teleported around the country.

Ratzkifal

idk wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

Simply put this part is not easy for the average player in the new HM trials, let alone the vet difficulty. Very easy to say it though.

Must be frustrating for the carry group if they keep failing because of the guy who is paying them. Makes me wonder how payment is even handled in these scenarios. Do they pay upfront? Half upfront half when the job is done?

D0PAMINE

I have a lot of respect for the people who progress and work towards these achieves. The ones who earn them.

idk

Ratzkifal wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The rest is up to the buyer to not die before the run is over.

Simply put this part is not easy for the average player in the new HM trials, let alone the vet difficulty. Very easy to say it though.

Must be frustrating for the carry group if they keep failing because of the guy who is paying them. Makes me wonder how payment is even handled in these scenarios. Do they pay upfront? Half upfront half when the job is done?

LOL. Or do they do it the easy way and log into your account for the run. Common sense dictates some things here since we are not simply talking about a clear of the content. I am not referring to how they require payment to be made because it would take an idiot to do numerous runs in the hopes of an inexperienced player will eventually survive. Think about it for a moment. They are selling it in Zone.

code65536

They should be reported. This sort of thing is repulsive, and it'd be great to see them banned (in some cases, again).

Ratzkifal wrote: »

And lastly, there is nothing about the Godslayer achievement that requires the carrying party to log onto the account of the person paying for the carry run - that I am aware of at least. All the person getting carried needs to do for it is survive the whole run and do minimal mechanics in order to prevent wipes. I am also not aware of any wipe mechanics in vSS that affect individual players (like the overload mechanic in CR+3 for example). Tombs can be handled by other players.

This might be the case years down the line when we get a lot of power creep. But as it stands, the reason GS is so much more difficult than any of the other trial trifectas is the insanely high DPS requirement because the speedrun is so difficult. You need to be able to survive the mechanics (which is not easy, particularly on Lokkestiiz HM) and you need to be able to pull your weight in DPS. The kinds of people who can do that are not the kinds of people who buy carries in the first place.

MyPrist

Who even cares about some stupid GodSlayer ?

If some body is such a fool and looser that he need to buy for big money a text in his achivment - who cares?

If you play like trash - all see it, no one who play good do not even care about achivment.

For sone body - Dromatra destroer is cool for example, for me it is:

The one guy that will sleap all time face to flore, all the trial.

Who cares ?

When i see title, first i think:
Oh my, some new low skilled try to gather attention just by it, he may be play really bad.

Who even cares?

Just as example - i make brp, i did not die. But people do. We got no no death, but why i need achivment fir that ? Achivment for having a better group ? Do i really need to care about it ?
To make some thing solo is harder than in better group.

For normal player it is normal to even do not care about achivments.

Once people did not take me in vDCA , becouse i did not link achivment to them (just becouse i do not look to much at it and i just can not find it !!! I have all weapons from it, but i really do not know where this stupid achivments are).

I have 3 in 1 in a lot of dunguans, but IDO NOT KNOW how they are even named.

Why ? Becouse i do not even care !

Yes i care about how character looks, may be buy some help in run is normal.

To make character looks more sexy is very good, you see her all time you play.

But ti buy it to show you are cool ? Lol what.

Or buy text for that ? Who cares ?
Is there realy some one so stupid ?

So funny.

Zer0_CooL

Sylvermynx wrote: »

So you should report this probably - not on the forum, using approved reporting through the website or in game.

Could aswell just print out a screenshot and send it to santa.

MyPrist

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

So you should report this probably - not on the forum, using approved reporting through the website or in game.

Could aswell just print out a screenshot and send it to santa.

To Satan may be, not Santa ? ))