What happened to this game?

Vanos444

SpaceElf wrote: »

10 times worse? Are you suuuuuuure? That's a lot of times.

More like " 16 times the detail " Todd CHoward...
https://youtu.be/-JspXBYjdsQ

Brandathorbel

Tandor wrote: »

To answer the original question, the game has got better and better overall, reflected in its growing population, while performance in Cyrodiil hasn't improved and may indeed have got worse - although for every one player complaining it is unplayable there is another player complaining that his campaign is always locked.

it is not growing. It is stable. They lose a lot of people but usually game them back but it is not growing.

JumpmanLane

StormeReigns wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

StormeReigns wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I just bought the Ultimate Edition of Red Dead 2. It’s downloading now. I’m not saying I quit. But I’m gonna be a cowboy for a while.

I was in Cyro, and it was ok...as in I killed a bunch of folks. However, 1 fight sticks in my mind. I tried to Leap this dude and it didn’t go off after 4 tries. Killed him with something else.

Another fight, I was kiting through some trees, fighting and every other skill wasn’t going off. No matter what it was: light attack, whip, RAT whatever. Left Cyro. Thought about what I’d do next? PvE? Been doing a lot of that lately.

It’s just not fun. And no maintenance PcNA this week, so, more of the same? Nah, canceling Greymoor tomorrow. I’m not quitting necessarily but my interest wanes...

So you rather have them go live with a potentially worse issue that can lead to even more and larger problems... logic?

Hi everyone,

As you may have noticed, we recently adjusted the maintenance banners to indicate there is no longer a PC incremental patch scheduled for Monday, March 9. While we were performing final checks for the build this afternoon, we noticed one of the fixes was causing some new issues affecting combat. We have made the decision to delay the incremental patch until we're able to fix this issue and ensure the patch is stable.

We’ll let you know when we have a new date scheduled for the patch.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515533/pc-mac-maintenance-for-march-9-postponed#latest

I would hope that ZOS would be on top of their game. That they wouldn't create issues every time there was a major update. They do concede there are problems. Truly, I believe they are working on them even.

However, when I login and play, my completely min/maxed, tweaked to the last stat toon simply cannot do the same things it did before Update 25.

Block drops, at the wrong time. Light attack won't fire at times, so weaving is out. Leap, IF I can get it to fire off at all is slow. Skills in general are "lucky if it fires at all." And that's in lagless pve. Solo in a dungeon with 60 fps (60 hrz monitor) with 83 ping. In lagged out Cyro it's like fighting in goo.

It's just not fun. That's my point.

I'm not denying you or anyone is having issues with combat. Many (more than enough are) across multiple threads and forums are. Can't get everything right on the first try in certain things. Sometimes, a minor delay to maint. is more beneficial in the long run. Who knows, it may end up fixing the current combat issues after they work out what they discovered in the maint. it may not.

Ask yourself, you rather them push maint. through tomorrow, with them already confirming that it has even more combat issues attached to it to have that already added on top of your current frustrations?


As well, honestly, a side of me really wants to see them push the maint. through tomorrow as is, with the newly discovered combat issues and everything. Just to see the reactions from those who complained about the maint. being delayed and yelling "shame on ZoS for delaying, it should be released no matter what issues are attached."

You’re missing the whole point of WHY people are complaining that maintenance is delayed: They BROKE combat, BROKE Cyrodiil with their changes to BLOCK (in an effort to improve performance). Update 25 is a hot mess.

I got a grade 2 GO MagDk in one of the best builds it’s EVER been in. I spent countless hours on a dummy practicing weaving light attacks and INDIVIDUAL skills so it would be completely unconscious in combat. I’ve dueled more than I’ve ever liked to duel, tested minor tweeks and changes to my build, and then they BROKE combat with update 25.

Oh, if skills were as reliable as 24, you wouldn’t hear any complaints out of me. I kill just as many people in 25 as I did in 24; but killing people when every other one of my skills and THEIR skills ain’t firing is VERY unsatisfying.

They BROKE combat and there’s NO timetable on when they’re going to fix it. Yeah, they cancelled maintenance. How disappointing is THAT? How can anyone feel any enthusiasm about logging in a playing.

ZOS created a slew of bugs, and their track record on fixing them ain’t exactly stellar. Performance, particularly in Cyro has been an issue across all servers and all platforms for years. Yet, NOW, something as fundamental as blocking and using SKILLS reliably is BROKEN.

New players might not notice. Roleplayers might not experience it. But someone who took the time to get skilled at the game will notice it in a trial. An endgame PvPer is definitely gonna notice.

I’m more disappointed than anything. I like ESO. I want to play it. Yet, every time I log in, it’s not long before I REALLY want to log back out. I mean I want to go to Solitude. I’m a Skyrim nerd. I pre-ordered Greymoor, like I pre-ordered Elsweyr, like I pre-ordered Summerset. I’m just left unenthused...

GalexPK

The game is getting worse, i want a game to enjoy, not to get stressed

kaisernick

relentless_turnip wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

All of this complaining and i have had less issues since the update, my latency is a lot lower even if im doing something else like downloading something or watching a video the highest my latency has gone is 400 which before it would go to 800+.

Well then that's you 👍 the majority of people and the content they want to play is unplayable... Try some endgame PvP or pve and see if you still have the same opinion. I haven't spoken to anyone involved in endgame having a good time with this patch.

while i dont do cyrodil pvp i do partake in end game pve and still its far far better than it used to be.

Rave the Histborn

Alomar wrote: »

Six years of nothing but a downhill slide of worsening performance, expecting some new "Performance Improvement" initiative was not realistic since nothing has changed at ZOS. They're just here to milk the casual pve'ers and rp'ers who haven't had a new ES game in a decade through their cash shop. The sooner you come to terms with it and move on, the better off you'll be.

Have you upgraded your computer in 6years?

Arunei

@StormeReigns
The biggest problem is that this isn't the first time ZOS has released a patch or major update, so the "can't always get it right the first time" view doesn't really apply. They've released numerous updates and each time we have a lot of issues, be they minor, major, or a mix. With that level of experience and pattern, there's no excuse for u25 to be this bad. ZOS should have taken more time to test this patch than just the standard several weeks an update usually gets, because this was not a standard update.

JBNimble

icontrive wrote: »

Did zos finally just take the money and run?

1. I think they are still camping for more money.
2. I think they a way too lazy to run.

Klad

something something home brewed engine.



Lets just say it's a feature and "fans love it" That was Lambert's excuse for not being able to fix standing on horses and dragging your bow between your feet.

Hip_Uncle_Z

It looks like it, man. Back for a month now and in 20 years of playing MMORPGs, I have never had this level of unacknowledged and unaddressed lag/latency issues; where the staff give pasted tech help links, instead of relevant information.

I am so sad about it. I'm gonna have to go back to other games, if it isn't fixed by the time my sub hits.

krachall

In the meantime, the Dev's just post "please obey the forum rules" over and over instead of addressing...or even acknowledging the issues!

Except for that stupid cat post. The Devs commented on that one. *eyeroll*

Iman_Oldie

I've spent a lot of money on this game over the years, much more than any other but this is the straw that broke the camel's back. No more buying crowns, no more ESO+. I'll pop in for the daily reward, play an undaunted daily and leave.
The game just isn't worth my time or money any more. There are many other games that can keep me occupied and that perform very well.

Hip_Uncle_Z

krachall wrote: »

In the meantime, the Dev's just post "please obey the forum rules" over and over instead of addressing...or even acknowledging the issues!

Except for that stupid cat post. The Devs commented on that one. *eyeroll*

They've deleted so many posts that it's getting noticed.

Cavedog

I really don't want to go through the effort...but I'd really, really like to get my money back for my Greymore pre-purchase. I've spent over 3k in real money on this game, and in return, I get the promise of a patch. (you read that right, over $,3,000.....do the math, almost six years of $15/month, every expansion, plus several crown packs per year, it really adds up.)

If they could patch their way out of this debacle, they would have by now. I'm convinced the only thing that will work is a complete rebuild of the game from the ground up.

Iman_Oldie

Cavedog wrote: »

I really don't want to go through the effort...but I'd really, really like to get my money back for my Greymore pre-purchase. I've spent over 3k in real money on this game, and in return, I get the promise of a patch. (you read that right, over $,3,000.....do the math, almost six years of $15/month, every expansion, plus several crown packs per year, it really adds up.)

If they could patch their way out of this debacle, they would have by now. I'm convinced the only thing that will work is a complete rebuild of the game from the ground up.

Totally agree. I've spent a similar amount on crowns let alone ESO+. If it hasn't been fixed by now it never will.
Such a tragedy.
I really wish the original Guild Wars was on PS4. Now that is something worth playing.

Dracofyre

having memory leak? then go back and retrain with the cards..

barney2525

relentless_turnip wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

All of this complaining and i have had less issues since the update, my latency is a lot lower even if im doing something else like downloading something or watching a video the highest my latency has gone is 400 which before it would go to 800+.

Well then that's you 👍 the majority of people and the content they want to play is unplayable... Try some endgame PvP or pve and see if you still have the same opinion. I haven't spoken to anyone involved in endgame having a good time with this patch.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or not entitled to your opinion...

but even this forums is a small percentage of the players in this game.

and the people who are not having any issues are Not going to post here.

barney2525

relentless_turnip wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I don't think it is a memory leak either. I tried everything to stop the horrifying performance. I haven't played with an addon since the update and I've rebooted everything and still crappy performance in PvP. When we had a memory leak it seemed like rebooting increased performance for a while.

I was suffering memory leak and someone suggested closing the launcher after booting.
It helped, I haven't noticed it as much anyway...

I was having a problem with a leak because I was eating too many potato chips...

uh, wait....

might be the wrong leak

MercilessnVexed

barney2525 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

All of this complaining and i have had less issues since the update, my latency is a lot lower even if im doing something else like downloading something or watching a video the highest my latency has gone is 400 which before it would go to 800+.

Well then that's you 👍 the majority of people and the content they want to play is unplayable... Try some endgame PvP or pve and see if you still have the same opinion. I haven't spoken to anyone involved in endgame having a good time with this patch.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or not entitled to your opinion...

but even this forums is a small percentage of the players in this game.

and the people who are not having any issues are Not going to post here.

That last line... "the people who are not having any issues are Not going to post here." I couldn't have said it better myself. They aren't here complaining because they're in the game, busy playing the game, having fun. And I'm one of them. I've spent a lot of time looking in the forums but it's full of so much hate hate hate rhetoric that it's really not a place I want to be anymore.

Sorry @Saucy_Jack... you're doing a lot of work trying to make forums fun, but I just think people aren't going to use the General category for anything else.

Peace out. I'm going to go play ESO.

Hurbster

Just like Iceheart, I and my tin-foil hat reckon it's being nerfed to make FO76 look better. Although they would have to go much further to do that.

eovogtb16_ESO

Since the performance patch I have been unable to play the game reliably on PC. I literally cannot play any dungeons or trials or even use the training dummy because some skills won't even cast and the latency gets so bad people are teleporting around. This has just begun happening within the last few days.

Ryath_Waylander

dazee wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

what happend is zos is improving the performance ^^

Yes, we just misunderstood what they meant when they said improve! they are improving the (amount of ) performance issues!

Fixed it

Grianasteri

icontrive wrote: »

I took a year break from this game because of performance issues and I decided to come back this week to see the changes. Within 2 minutes of playing I can already tell this game is 10 times worse than when I left. Abilities take 3-5 times activation to work, lag is way worse than before, and it seems there are way less people in pvp. I just want to know what happened? Did zos finally just take the money and run?

10x? Nah.

Objectively, the game is significantly better than it was a few years ago, despite the more recent buff/nerf cycles.

Ozby

kaisernick wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

All of this complaining and i have had less issues since the update, my latency is a lot lower even if im doing something else like downloading something or watching a video the highest my latency has gone is 400 which before it would go to 800+.

Well then that's you 👍 the majority of people and the content they want to play is unplayable... Try some endgame PvP or pve and see if you still have the same opinion. I haven't spoken to anyone involved in endgame having a good time with this patch.

while i dont do cyrodil pvp i do partake in end game pve and still its far far better than it used to be.

Agreed I am finding an improvement in vet dungeons and trials my frames are certainly higher and I am not getting DC's but others in my guild are unfortunately. Lag is still there sometimes but not sure you will find any game without lag at all.

ZarkingFrued

icontrive wrote: »

I took a year break from this game because of performance issues and I decided to come back this week to see the changes. Within 2 minutes of playing I can already tell this game is 10 times worse than when I left. Abilities take 3-5 times activation to work, lag is way worse than before, and it seems there are way less people in pvp. I just want to know what happened? Did zos finally just take the money and run?

They broked it

Coppes

Iskiab wrote: »

Solace1981 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Kittytravel wrote: »

icontrive wrote: »

and it seems there are way less people in pvp.

Boy do I wish; there are so many better games out there that actually are based around PvP and yet here a lot of people are acting like Cyrodiil is the center of ZOS's universe and they don't have any other end-game content available.

Let em finish their performance update plan and we will see where it goes; if things don't improve at the end of all their adjustments then yeah it's a good time to riot. But executing a plan in steps is better than doing it in one go so they aren't playing the game of "Which part of it went wrong?" Do it in pieces so you know which parts go wrong and you can fix the part before adding another.

I don’t know why you’d say that. If you like MMO pvp what would you suggest? A lot of good elements of this game are a continuation of DAoC and I like them. There really isn’t an alternative, WOW has always been a joke for pvp, what else is there?

If it wasn’t for performance the game would be decent.

Yeah WoW pvp is pretty terrible. It's like they don't even have tournaments that pay a crap ton of cash. Probably don't have tournaments for PvE either.

So does minecraft, it doesn’t make it a pvp game. Any 2 faction MMO wasn’t designed for pvp, it’s that simple.

That’s a bit of a stretch..

Saucy_Jack

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Sorry @Saucy_Jack... you're doing a lot of work trying to make forums fun, but I just think people aren't going to use the General category for anything else.

Michae

Beastygrowls wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

All of this complaining and i have had less issues since the update, my latency is a lot lower even if im doing something else like downloading something or watching a video the highest my latency has gone is 400 which before it would go to 800+.

Well then that's you 👍 the majority of people and the content they want to play is unplayable... Try some endgame PvP or pve and see if you still have the same opinion. I haven't spoken to anyone involved in endgame having a good time with this patch.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or not entitled to your opinion...

but even this forums is a small percentage of the players in this game.

and the people who are not having any issues are Not going to post here.

That last line... "the people who are not having any issues are Not going to post here." I couldn't have said it better myself. They aren't here complaining because they're in the game, busy playing the game, having fun. And I'm one of them. I've spent a lot of time looking in the forums but it's full of so much hate hate hate rhetoric that it's really not a place I want to be anymore.

Sorry @Saucy_Jack... you're doing a lot of work trying to make forums fun, but I just think people aren't going to use the General category for anything else.

Peace out. I'm going to go play ESO.

Agreed, and since there's so many of these threads I'll do my part and repost my answer here too.

I don't know, maybe I'm the luckiest player in ESO but:
- I don't have much lag, most of it is due to my own connection bugging out.
- My skills work, I press the key and my character does the thing, my animations cancel as intended, etc.
- Battlegrounds ques work fine and are faster than before the big patch.
- Same with dungeon finder ques.
- Battlegrounds don't lag, and the skills work there too, I even win some matches.
- Overland content works ok, as always.
- I don't know about Cyrodiil, I rarely go there, but when I do I don't really get any game breaking lag.
- Imperial City works ok, no lag.
- What else? I got some crashes right after the patch, nothing major, mostly during logging out or exiting game. They are gone now.
Ok, now to be fair I do experience some bugs:
- The worst one is that I sometimes get stuck with my weapons drawn out. I can't interact with anything then, the only fixes I found out is to either jump in water, die or relog. It happens 0-2 times per playing session, it's not that annoying.
- Weapons land at my feet during swap. It happens mostly right after loading the zone, although it's quite rare for me.
- Running on horse. Mostly just after loading, stopping and starting again fixes it. I doubt it'll be fixed, and it's quite embedded in ESO's culture right now so I'd probably missed it if they did fix it.
- NPCs load slower and sometimes I have to wait till they appear/finish their animation to interact with them. Mostly happens right after I relog to do the writs, not that much or even never when I'm questing or running dungeons. A bit annoying but not game breaking and may be due to my own hardware too.
- After the patch, the compass hologram on my Baadari senche "lags" behind, see pic.

- I have to agree again on various TOSes during the game launch if I get disconnected due to my internet bugging out. That's mildly annoying.

And I think that's all the issues I experience from the top of my head. Maybe I'm just that lucky.

@Saucy_Jack
New poll when?

Saucy_Jack

Michae wrote: »

@Saucy_Jack
New poll when?

ZOS_Volpe

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