Give Vampires an Illusionary disguise skill instead of forcing characters to be ugly.

Eryn_Darkthorn

I love sneaking. It is my favorite part of this game and you do it better than any other game I have tried. In order to be an effective sneaker I have to be a vampire or I have to waste 5 slots on a lower tier gear set to move in stealth without penalty. I don't mind the penalty of having to be an vampire. I do mind horribly the appearance of vampirism. I like to play pretty characters. I have spent a lot of crowns for pretty outfits, but I can't even look at my characters when they have the weird vamp skin and eyes. I know a lot of people love to look gross/zombie like, but I don't- maybe because I am a girl in real life. It seems like an easy fix to make a passive vampire skill available to 'disguise yourself'. People who like the vampire look can just not spend the skill point.

Please consider it!

Hurbster

Sounds fair, not a passive though. Would have to be double-barred to be of use.

General_Zeranth

For now I use the Arctic Rime Skin to help with the ugliness of vampires but it only works on my human/mer ones so I'd be all for an illusory option for Vampires!

Eryn_Darkthorn

"Sounds fair, not a passive though. Would have to be double-barred to be of use."

Why would you need to put an appearance choice as an active ability? Wasting a slot to just change the way you look seems excessively punishing for something that doesn't affect combat.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Eryn_Darkthorn wrote: »

"Sounds fair, not a passive though. Would have to be double-barred to be of use."

Why would you need to put an appearance choice as an active ability? Wasting a slot to just change the way you look seems excessively punishing for something that doesn't affect combat.

Because people really like seeing others suffer apparently.

Odd because I suspect some players out there would only benefit their allies and PuGs if they were vampire but don't simply because of the skin.

Delphinia

Eryn_Darkthorn wrote: »

I know a lot of people love to look gross/zombie like, but I don't- maybe because I am a girl in real life. It seems like an easy fix to make a passive vampire skill available to 'disguise yourself'.

I agree. I'm not fond of the look myself. I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with being a particular gender though. I am a female too, but I also know males, and those who prefer not to identify with a specific gender, who do not care for that appearance as well. There are many players I know who spent countless hours in creating their characters only to end up with a skin they don't like. I know we can "drink" to get some semblance of our former selves, but that is still not the exact appearance we spent so much time creating. Nor is it even close if you have to spend your time in the 4th stage for the passives. I realize going vamp is a choice, but it would be nice if the choice to maintain your original appearance was available as it is just that, an appearance and not a skill. I would probably spend the extra point as you suggested, as a passive, to hide the cosmetic look of being vamp. I do use the Arctic Rime skin and that's about as close to my original look as I have found I can get. I still would prefer the original, but it's a close second.

MartiniDaniels

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

Tanis-Stormbinder

General_Zeranth wrote: »

For now I use the Arctic Rime Skin to help with the ugliness of vampires but it only works on my human/mer ones so I'd be all for an illusory option for Vampires!

Yup the Arctic Rime skin works great

xWarbrain

Being ugly is the price you pay for murdering people and then drinking their blood.

emilyhyoyeon

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

MartiniDaniels

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

Those scales are barely noticeable. I am just saying from personal experience. I avoided being vampire for a long time despite huge benefits provided by being one... there were some nice skins before, but they all looked unnatural anyway and I didn't wanted my toons to lose their "personality" forever. With maormer I made all my PVP toons vampires instantly and I'm totally ok with how they look. Yeah, there are scales but main part of the face and body is your natural skin with all tattoos seen etc.

Eryn_Darkthorn

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

Those scales are barely noticeable. I am just saying from personal experience. I avoided being vampire for a long time despite huge benefits provided by being one... there were some nice skins before, but they all looked unnatural anyway and I didn't wanted my toons to lose their "personality" forever. With maormer I made all my PVP toons vampires instantly and I'm totally ok with how they look. Yeah, there are scales but main part of the face and body is your natural skin with all tattoos seen etc.

All of my sneaky characters are Khajit. They used to be wood elves and were so cute, but when they made the race changes and took the radius reduction away from wood elves they became Khajit. One of the outfits iI unlocked(I think Dark Brotherhood?) has a hood that only shows the red eyes, not the ugly black circles.. That is what my Khajit wear.

sharquez

You got skins, and a choice to make. There's gotta be some downside for being an undead abomination, with special abilities and passives

Alpheu5

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

Those scales are barely noticeable. I am just saying from personal experience. I avoided being vampire for a long time despite huge benefits provided by being one... there were some nice skins before, but they all looked unnatural anyway and I didn't wanted my toons to lose their "personality" forever. With maormer I made all my PVP toons vampires instantly and I'm totally ok with how they look. Yeah, there are scales but main part of the face and body is your natural skin with all tattoos seen etc.

I got Maomer for my Argonians the day it was released when I saw that I could see my body markings as if I were in the character creator again.

Veinblood1965

Not to mention the fact that the skin just looks plain horrible with my dress shoes.

precambria

Reason I don't use vamp is cosmetic, than it became RP and now I just want to cleanse them from the earth. BUFF DOGFORM

Tommy_The_Gun

01:03:08 - there is your answer...

MartiniDaniels

Eryn_Darkthorn wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

Those scales are barely noticeable. I am just saying from personal experience. I avoided being vampire for a long time despite huge benefits provided by being one... there were some nice skins before, but they all looked unnatural anyway and I didn't wanted my toons to lose their "personality" forever. With maormer I made all my PVP toons vampires instantly and I'm totally ok with how they look. Yeah, there are scales but main part of the face and body is your natural skin with all tattoos seen etc.

All of my sneaky characters are Khajit. They used to be wood elves and were so cute, but when they made the race changes and took the radius reduction away from wood elves they became Khajit. One of the outfits iI unlocked(I think Dark Brotherhood?) has a hood that only shows the red eyes, not the ugly black circles.. That is what my Khajit wear.

You can gank without khajiit radius reduction just fine. Imo the only place where khajiit's reduced radius is necessary is for theft in overland... but you can build up with those 3 sneaky sets. I dislike detection radius on bosmer, but mostly for lore reasons. Reduced sneak radius is not needed in PVP and overall passives became much better. With bow roll-dodge bosmers are really nice. And maormer skin blends with bosmer skin pretty natural.

MartiniDaniels

Alpheu5 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maormer skin, 100 gems - you are welcome.

we don't want scales though. or frost from the arctic skin. or green stuff from the peryite skin

Those scales are barely noticeable. I am just saying from personal experience. I avoided being vampire for a long time despite huge benefits provided by being one... there were some nice skins before, but they all looked unnatural anyway and I didn't wanted my toons to lose their "personality" forever. With maormer I made all my PVP toons vampires instantly and I'm totally ok with how they look. Yeah, there are scales but main part of the face and body is your natural skin with all tattoos seen etc.

I got Maomer for my Argonians the day it was released when I saw that I could see my body markings as if I were in the character creator again.

Yep, I was specially gathering gems for that skin when it was announced and bought it instantly. My favorite buy from CS of all times. I really jumped from happiness. Mist and undeath are totally OP and to have them while looking absolutely normal. Invaluable. That moment when you got ZO$'d and happy about it.

Sephyr

Honestly, I've gotten used to how they look. If they don't look 'good', I'll change them with a token. Skins are also a viable alternative.

As far as the whole "well vampire has pros and the visual has to be the con", that's a flat out lazy solution. If that's the only actual con, then the vampirism overhaul is truly doomed as I can stand in fire just fine in endgame and not even bat an eyelash. It's boring.

Noxavian

Eryn_Darkthorn wrote: »

I love sneaking. It is my favorite part of this game and you do it better than any other game I have tried. In order to be an effective sneaker I have to be a vampire or I have to waste 5 slots on a lower tier gear set to move in stealth without penalty. I don't mind the penalty of having to be an vampire. I do mind horribly the appearance of vampirism. I like to play pretty characters. I have spent a lot of crowns for pretty outfits, but I can't even look at my characters when they have the weird vamp skin and eyes. I know a lot of people love to look gross/zombie like, but I don't- maybe because I am a girl in real life. It seems like an easy fix to make a passive vampire skill available to 'disguise yourself'. People who like the vampire look can just not spend the skill point.

Please consider it!

Don't want to look like a vampire? Don't play a vampire. Fixed it for you. Them wasting 1 out of the 5 skill slots for this idiotic option would truly be horrible. There's a ton of other skills that I'd rather see vamps get.

Unless they tied this on as a passive to say, the hypnotic skill or something.

Deathlord92

Speak for yourself my Breton vampire looks awesome

Vevvev

I like the vamiric look sometimes, but an easy fix would be a hide skin option in collections. Kind of like setting your helmet to be hidden or your selected adornment.

Eryn_Darkthorn

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Speak for yourself my Breton vampire looks awesome

I am speaking for myself. I am not asking for this to go away. I just want an option for those of us that do not like it. Or make a better set that removes the movement penalty from stealth without wasting 5 slots. Seems like a bad choice in a game with a crown store that is mostly making money on appearances to make an ugly appearance unchangeable.

Wolf_Eye

Personally, I always thought that vampires' eyes pop out a little, like they have bug eyes or something. I think it adds to the effect that they look weird. (I would almost say they look more weird than creepy or corpse like sometimes)

I really wouldn't mind a passive that changes a vamp's appearance.

HOWEVER, it shouldn't work in PVP. Other players should be able to continue to tell that you're a vampire and be able to prepare themselves for it (just as they can do now). So I think it should be unusable in both Battlegrounds and Cyrodiil. You can make up a lore explanation that it's too hard for a vampire to keep up the illusion when they're directly in a war zone or something.

LukosCreyden

Another (potentially dumb) solution: make the "mortal mask" a passive skill, but it requires significant investment to activate, like 10 skill points or something.

StormeReigns

If I use skins for my vamps...
Maomer skin for my Altmer and Dunmer Vamps
Arctic Rime Skin for my Bosmer and Breton Vamps
Soulshriven Skin / Necromancer (+psijic marks) for my Argonian Vamps

The only thing I dislike about vampire is that it heavily fades my Nocturnal Outlaw Tattoo (the single best body marking in game imho).

Pair Noct's as sitting over the vampire look, and boom, instant sexy.

Wolf_Eye

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Another (potentially dumb) solution: make the "mortal mask" a passive skill, but it requires significant investment to activate, like 10 skill points or something.

I'm actually curious to know why you think this. As the OP stated themselves, this is purely cosmetic. It has no real effect on gameplay.

Sacrificing 10 points for the sake of maxing crafting skills makes sense because that gives you access to the best craftables as well as a good junk of money/gold mats/master writs for doing craft dailies.

Sacrificing 10 points for the sake of a new skin...? I'm not sure what the benefit here is, other than looking "normal".

I would have 3 points. One point to take away the dark circles under their eyes, one point to take away the red eyes, and one point to take away the white skin. That way, players have a bit more variety for their ideal look.

Or just scrap the passive altogether and release vampire skins in the crown shop for purchase, one skin for red eyes but normal skin, one skin for pale skin but normal eyes, etc. They could make a lot of money this way and still provide high customization for people

Kendaric

Would you rather want them to sparkle in the sun?

Wolf_Eye

Kendaric wrote: »

Would you rather want them to sparkle in the sun?

Don't. You. Dare.

Sephyr

Using skillpoints for the 'appearance' isn't going to fix anything given that the current line is already being overhauled toward combat. Tattoos and makeup could if they'd make them a different layer on the model.