Extra Character Slots for Greymoor?

Galwylin

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Genuinely curious here but is there any other mmo out there that allows somebody to create up to 18 characters on a single account?

WoW has a cap on the number of characters you can have across all servers which is above 50 I believe. And all can be on the same server. There's no longer a cap per server just on account and its crazy high to me.

I think there are two facts to keep in mind here. First fact is no one needs more than one character. Need is not want. And until we find out if there's a reason to limit the number of characters players can have then we should assume that its pretty high. Since you can only log in with one character at a time, I have to assume that its endless until the UI can't handle more. So that leaves it open that maybe you can have 30 or 100 or whatever the number is. But needing is different. If we just throw need out (because really no one needs to play ESO to even need one), its really about want. And if you want 20+ characters whether you play them all or not is just up to the individual.

I love alts too and always like having an idea of a character and trying it out without having to delete a character I might be fond of. But at the core of the game, we're all really playing just a handful of different characters because we are limited in how weapons work. If you play any other TES game the idea of a sword welding sorcerer is old hat. In this game sword and board means tank. Its a bad weapon for DPS or healing etc. A warrior that uses staff is the same.

Until they do something such as making the class themselves determine the role and not the weapon its just really all cosmetic. These classes are able to take on different roles not because of the toolkit but because of their weapon choice. And how many weapons are there? Well that's how many characters you need to experience all of the game. Which really is where the focus of change should be not more slots to make a cosmetic choice. Give all the slots possible still results in a small fraction of what players can do. Not to downplay cosmetic choices in a RPG. That's huge. But wouldn't being able to create your full vision and be successful make the game better? I think so. And maybe that's why some want so many more slots. They are hunting for that freedom that just isn't there yet.

bakthi

SWTOR allows different amounts whether you're totally f2p, have bought something once, or are currently a monthly subscriber (4, 12, and 24 respectively, from what I can find). Which is good, as they have rather a lot of classes (in fact you are rewarded for playing through all 8 stories, 4 Republic and 4 Imperial, which requires 8 characters).

FFXI was mandatory subscription and charged you $1 per month for each additional character, and I still had like 5 of them.

For ESO, I saw this coming in advance and recently got a second account. I have the classes on it that I'm somewhat less interested in playing (stamDK, magden, magblade, stamplar) due to what I already have on my main account. I don't pay for ESO+ on it, but it lets me play around with them when I want, and I don't have to delete anything.

I will say this: on the same PC, with all the same add-ons, etc. I get to the character selection screen notably faster on my second account (5 chars) than on my main (11 chars). Every time.

Aptonoth

I don't care about "keeping up" with the characters gear or managing them for end game pve its all about the roleplaying.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

bentmer wrote: »

xTAKISx wrote: »

Sorry if this has been explained or clarified. Altoholic and 18 is not enough.

All these replies but nobody seems to have answered your question lol. I haven't seen any announcement, but after I pre-ordered the Digital Collector's Upgrade, my character slot total went up by one. Granted, I only had 12 before so maybe 18 is still the max or something. Maybe someone who had the max slots and pre-ordered can verify. But at least for myself, I got an additional character slot after purchase of Greymoor.

Did you had elsweyr before? 1 slot is included with it and if not mistaken its included with greymoor preorder

Dark_Lord_Kuro

deflorate wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

4 rolesx6 class= 24 not 18

DPS, Tank, Healer = 3

One mag dps of each class and one stam dps of each class is 12. One tank and one healer is 14. There are crown store slots on top of that, that get you to 18 characters. You can have one of every class in both damage rolls plus a tank and healer or multiple and STILL HAVE SLOTS LEFT.

Nope im missing 6
Stam dps×6
Mag dps×6
Tank ×6
healer×6
Total 24

There is literally no purpose for 6 different tanks or healers.

Different play style

bentmer

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

bentmer wrote: »

xTAKISx wrote: »

Sorry if this has been explained or clarified. Altoholic and 18 is not enough.

All these replies but nobody seems to have answered your question lol. I haven't seen any announcement, but after I pre-ordered the Digital Collector's Upgrade, my character slot total went up by one. Granted, I only had 12 before so maybe 18 is still the max or something. Maybe someone who had the max slots and pre-ordered can verify. But at least for myself, I got an additional character slot after purchase of Greymoor.

Did you had elsweyr before? 1 slot is included with it and if not mistaken its included with greymoor preorder

Yeah I've always pre-purchased the expansions. Since I received an extra slot with all the other expansions, I just assumed we got one with this one too. I didn't realize that the max character slot didn't go up too. That is pretty lame.

Arunei

deflorate wrote: »

Assuming? You can literally make one of every single class and have an additional 4 slots. That is 18 slots currently. You can still play every alliance, have characters with inventory and max bank space and still have leftover slots. This isn't diablo 2 like you're making it seem. [/quote]
I believe someone else already pointed out your math is wrong here, but beyond that, people who play each Alliance may well want Stam/Mag of each class and role for those Alliances. Who are you to tell them that they do or don't need to play that way? It's not your place or choice to decide how other people play, regardless of how much say you think you have in what others do or don't need. It literally isn't any of your business if someone wants to play like that, or have their various characters set up for use in other ways. If having more character slots isn't something you need, why are you here to say "well if I don't need it and 18 is enough for me, no one needs it"? I don't understand why people who don't agree with things like this feel the need to come in and say "no this is enough for everyone". You want to put in your piece and say "x number is enough for me" then fine, no one's saying no one can't say x number is good for them. But don't come into these threads telling other people what they do or don't need if their play style is different and they'd like more slots because of it.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s a fair question.

Even though I personally only have time to play maybe 5 out of my 17 characters, there are vociferous screams claiming that everyone’s playstyle is different ... and “altoholics” need more slots.

Which is totally fine.

Because ZOS is the arbiter of this discussion.

And, ZOS says 18 is the line drawn for character slots on one player account.

If you need more you buy another account. Pretty simple.

Except everyone's play style is different, and that fact shouldn't be dismissed like it's not a valid point. People want more character slots for different reasons, why shouldn't they have the right to want more slots without people coming into these threads telling them what they do or don't need? Sure, people could buy a second account, if they have the money to afford the base game. And yes, I know, the base game goes for fairly cheap these days (even tho I think now it includes Morrowind AND Summerset?) and that technically you're getting more characters for your money that way since you get the initial 8 for free, but my point is just that some people may not have the disposable funds to buy another account like you can buy, say, a character slot for gold.

Honestly, can anyone give one good reason why we shouldn't be given more slots? Aside from "well ZOS says so", that is, because the only reason I see people being against more character slots every time the subject comes up is that "you don't need it", which isn't a reason at all.

sionIV wrote: »

They're not going to cater to either extremes. Your average player does not limit themselves to two characters, nor do they need 30 slots.

Again with "don't need" thing. I keep saying it; don't assume you have the right to decide what other players need. If someone wants 30 characters why not let them have them? Who does it hurt? Literally no one. People have different play styles and use their character slots for various things, and like I've mentioned and other people have done the math for, we currently don't have enough slots to have stam/mag of every role and class. Do most people "need" something like that? That's up to each player to decide. In the end everyone can only decide what's enough for them, but none of us have the right to look at someone else and tell them they don't need something or that their play style is "wrong" or a "waste of time" or whatever.

Also someone mentioned buying ESO+ or something for the cost of character tokens, or something along those lines, I can't remember the post and I forgot to quote it to reply directly to it. But keep in mind that ESO+ is a monthly charge, and buying character slots is a one-time fee that people can cover via buying the crowns for it with gold, rather than paying for the Crowns themselves to buy them. With the sheer number of mats and sets in the game now, I have no doubts there are people without ESO+ with maxed banks and maxed character inventories who still need extra space, especially those people playing crafters, seeing as ZOS refuses to increase the number of items we can store in the bank despite introducing new mats every time a new motif is released (including the motif chapters themselves).

Nerouyn

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Genuinely curious here but is there any other mmo out there that allows somebody to create up to 18 characters on a single account?

Star Trek Online's max is 56.

Guild Wars 2 is 69.

Star Wars the Old Republic is 100.

World of Warcraft is 50.

Final Fantasy XIV only has 8 per server, but unlike ESO doesn't lock characters into a single class. One character can learn and max them all. So there's not much need for or value in alts.

So yeah, practically everyone else's is bigger than ESO's.

Nerouyn

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you need more you buy another account. Pretty simple.

No. It's not simple.

Another account doesn't have access to any limited time only event or crown store collectibles.

Nor crown store upgrades or DLC.

Nor achievement related things like dyes or motifs. While at least these can be earned again that's still a long arse grind just to get yourself back to what you've already earned once.

starkerealm

deflorate wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

4 rolesx6 class= 24 not 18

DPS, Tank, Healer = 3

One mag dps of each class and one stam dps of each class is 12. One tank and one healer is 14. There are crown store slots on top of that, that get you to 18 characters. You can have one of every class in both damage rolls plus a tank and healer or multiple and STILL HAVE SLOTS LEFT.

Nope im missing 6
Stam dps×6
Mag dps×6
Tank ×6
healer×6
Total 24

There is literally no purpose for 6 different tanks or healers.

So, as someone who's clearly never tanked on multiple classes, it may surprise you to learn that, in ESO, tanking changes dramatically based on the class you're using. Now, if you want to say there's no purpose for having multiple tanks in the same class... yeah, pretty much. But different classes? Oh, man, that's a world of difference.

gabriebe

Ideally I'd like the game to have 4 slots per classes, one slot for each role. It's just a lot more convenient to have a character ready for a specific role when the meta inevitably changes. I'd be pretty happy at 24 slots atm.

xaraan

Lot of back and forth on the issue. You don't want to make more characters, don't. I do.

I'd like more slots.

Even one would be nice with the expansion.
I like to level a new character when I play those new zones (and I'm not deleting one of my existing ones).

danara

Why most people here cant understand that most of us need more than 18 characters slot?

If you want to play with the same characters in pvp/pve healer/dps/tank, it as you wish, but some of us like to have 1 specific character for 1 specific role.

If you take my example, i am a full healern there is 6 classes => 6 healer pve, 6 healer pvp

What about trying to play magicka dps? okay 6 slot, now we are 18/18
Hum i want some changes, lets go stamina dps ! Oh *** my race is a complet mess for this...So i have to delete a character to create this new stam dd

See the logic here? It s not because you play stuck on 1 or 2 characters than everyone do

Nemesis7884

I dont really understand why people not needing more slots dont change their stance from "no more slots" to "dont care"... would be a lot nicer to their fellow playery that do want more amd it doesnt matter to them anyway

ShawnLaRock

Wondering if there is a way to tell from today’s reveal if the Character Slot limit will increase?

I am saving one last space to experience the Greymoor tutorial quest, and then... we’ll have to see.

I really need the storage space a new toon would provide - and just got all 17 of my alts in a writ-ready position to take advantage of the remainder of Jester’s Festival XP boost, and then into Anniversary Jubilee crafting material inventory crush... buuuut honestly can’t bring myself to sub, ATM.

With the inability to even log-in, paired with the ESO+ issues on XBOX, I guess I will have to do without the Craft Bag.

I have been sitting in a black-screen no-spin crash for 20+ minutes now... just to see how long it will take to even boot me, or notify me. This is nuts.

Anyway... slots? Lol.

S.

Marolf

Arunei wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

With the current character slots you can make 1 of each class dps for both stam and magic, a healer, a tank and still have 2-3 slots left. That is more than enough.

Again, quit assuming that what is enough for you is enough for other people. You don't know how others play, you don't know what they're using those characters for. Do people really have to be told such a simple thing over and over? Do people not stop to think there are uses for characters like mules for people without ESO+ or people playing across all three Alliances for PvP?

It's enough for you. Stop making the decision for others it's enough for them.

Honestly, if 18 characters can't hold all of one's mats/gear/furniture etc. , it may be time to consider a possible hoarding issue.:)

Asardes

Marolf wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

With the current character slots you can make 1 of each class dps for both stam and magic, a healer, a tank and still have 2-3 slots left. That is more than enough.

Again, quit assuming that what is enough for you is enough for other people. You don't know how others play, you don't know what they're using those characters for. Do people really have to be told such a simple thing over and over? Do people not stop to think there are uses for characters like mules for people without ESO+ or people playing across all three Alliances for PvP?

It's enough for you. Stop making the decision for others it's enough for them.

Honestly, if 18 characters can't hold all of one's mats/gear/furniture etc. , it may be time to consider a possible hoarding issue.:)

Furniture can be also stored in some disused houses

SydneyGrey

Marolf wrote: »

Honestly, if 18 characters can't hold all of one's mats/gear/furniture etc. , it may be time to consider a possible hoarding issue.:)

People who have that many characters don't have them as mules (for the most part). They have them for role play reasons, or just so they can try out different race/class combinations and different play styles.

Sergykid

danara wrote: »

Why most people here cant understand that most of us need more than 18 characters slot?

If you want to play with the same characters in pvp/pve healer/dps/tank, it as you wish, but some of us like to have 1 specific character for 1 specific role.

If you take my example, i am a full healern there is 6 classes => 6 healer pve, 6 healer pvp

What about trying to play magicka dps? okay 6 slot, now we are 18/18
Hum i want some changes, lets go stamina dps ! Oh *** my race is a complet mess for this...So i have to delete a character to create this new stam dd

See the logic here? It s not because you play stuck on 1 or 2 characters than everyone do

like i said in earlier posts, you wouldn't need multiple characters if u had specializations available like wow does. One entire build and setup at one button. Some cases that are not really complex can be done with addons. And you can use a mag race for a stam dps, you don't really need that 2k dps to finish anything.

and when you can even play that many? 6 characters for one specific activity? that's heavy overkill.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Sergykid wrote: »

danara wrote: »

Why most people here cant understand that most of us need more than 18 characters slot?

If you want to play with the same characters in pvp/pve healer/dps/tank, it as you wish, but some of us like to have 1 specific character for 1 specific role.

If you take my example, i am a full healern there is 6 classes => 6 healer pve, 6 healer pvp

What about trying to play magicka dps? okay 6 slot, now we are 18/18
Hum i want some changes, lets go stamina dps ! Oh *** my race is a complet mess for this...So i have to delete a character to create this new stam dd

See the logic here? It s not because you play stuck on 1 or 2 characters than everyone do

like i said in earlier posts, you wouldn't need multiple characters if u had specializations available like wow does. One entire build and setup at one button. Some cases that are not really complex can be done with addons. And you can use a mag race for a stam dps, you don't really need that 2k dps to finish anything.

and when you can even play that many? 6 characters for one specific activity? that's heavy overkill.

That change nothing
In ff14, wich i remind you, you can level up every class on a single character, theyre is still more slot tha eso
Even if only count the server in the same datacenter (wich your character can travel between freely) you still have 3 time the slot of eso
Also if a character is a peaceful priest like healer, having im change to an back from a blood frenzied dps looks stupid

Universe

A massive 18 characters account isn't enough for you ?
Then I suggest to buy a new account...

snoozy

Aptonoth wrote: »

I don't care about "keeping up" with the characters gear or managing them for end game pve its all about the roleplaying.

this. let us throw more money at you, zos. please!

snoozy

Universe wrote: »

A massive 18 characters account isn't enough for you ?
Then I suggest to buy a new account...

u a zos employee?

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Universe wrote: »

A massive 18 characters account isn't enough for you ?
Then I suggest to buy a new account...

Is it a pc thing? on ps4 you just have to log in with another psn account an you got yourself a new eso account you do not buy an account

But its nowhere near as efficiant as adding slots as you dont have access to mount/ costume/ motif/ pet/ etc.
The most useful thing when doing many character

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Maybe it could be a eso+ bonus?
some other mmo have their equivalent to eso give more character slot and when droping the sub you chose character equal to the number of slot given to lock until you sub again

For exemple being a legendary member in DCUO give you 7 slot (from memory)but if your sub end you chose 7 character to lock until resub


This would solve the problem of server space costing money

bakthi

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

A massive 18 characters account isn't enough for you ?
Then I suggest to buy a new account...

Is it a pc thing? on ps4 you just have to log in with another psn account an you got yourself a new eso account you do not buy an account

But its nowhere near as efficiant as adding slots as you dont have access to mount/ costume/ motif/ pet/ etc.
The most useful thing when doing many character

Yes, for PC you have to buy another copy of the game. I did so a while ago, when the game up through Elsweyr was on sale.

Disadvantages: doesn't share ESO+, can't share CP or BoP items with your primary account, doesn't share collections.

Advantages: each account has at least one WW and vampire (so I can always bite myself, har har), always have a willing target for "rts" mail, immediately get 9 more character slots for roles I want to try but am perhaps not quite as into, can play with daughter if she ever cleans her room.

The disadvantages are admittedly pretty huge, particularly ESO+, but I'm actually enjoying being lower CP more than I thought I would. See signature for details.

Donny_Vito

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

they should not support altoholism.

i would have left it capped at 10, it's more than enough.
sure, only if they added dual specialization, so you wouldn't need two separate characters to play one stam one mag, or one tank one heal, etc.

No it would not be the same
It quite stupid that since i dont have a staff equiped the spell that i learned and mastered are now useless
That s why multiple character are in order

Wait. You know you can respec your skill points right?

With well over 400 skill points, it ain't cheap to respect.

Ryath_Waylander

Sergykid wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

they should not support altoholism.

i would have left it capped at 10, it's more than enough.
sure, only if they added dual specialization, so you wouldn't need two separate characters to play one stam one mag, or one tank one heal, etc.

That might be "more than enough" for your playstyle, but don't assume that just because it's enough for you that it's enough for everyone. People play the game in different ways, and if people want to have separate characters for their various roles and classes or whatever, then that's their right.

And for everyone who always asks "why do you need so many characters", consider things like people using alts as mules because they don't have ESO+ for whatever reason, or people who PvP across different factions so they have characters in every Alliance, people who have different characters for PvP/PvE and then for different things within each of those game types, people who RP but their RP characters are separate from their content-doing characters, and so on. Just because you may not have a need for numerous characters, or don't understand why anyone else would want or need numerous characters, doesn't invalidate the fact that people do enjoy having numerous characters.

and as i said if u had dual specialization or something u could halve your number of characters.
and if you are so much dedicated to playing, and pouring so many hours daily to play on so many characters, all while not having ESO+, then you can buy a second account and have another row of characters.

Important fact: ZoS said "play the way you want" not play the way others want. For my playstyle, "dual specialisation" as you call it or "Hybrid" as I call it, is useless to me in anything except overland solo, or maybe pvp play. Your opinion, is just that, yours. I'm not quite sure why you need to get so worked up over others having or needing more alts. If you only need a minimal amount of alts then good for you. Insisting that we all don't need more alts and should conform to your wishes... not so good.

Hotdog_23

Guess we are not getting a extra character for Greymoor

darthgummibear_ESO

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

It just seems like there will ALWAYS be people wanting more no matter what the limit is.

I can vouch for this particular tidbit. I remember people in wow complaining that having 50 characters for their whole account wasn't enough.