An idea to give bretons -something- for stam builds.

dazee

We all know the Breton hero in the cinematics is using a stam build, so lets not pretend bretons can't do stam well. they should have SOMETHING for stam, maybe shouldn't be the best stam dps race but racial traits are at most a 10% difference so no reason not to give them SOMETHING.

Change the magicka cost reduction passive to grant stam cost reduction as well, and maybe a bit of weapon (but not spell) damage. then you could choose to get the bonus weapon damage and stam recovery, or go magicka for full bonuses but not get bonus spell damage.

idk

I doubt Zos will consider it. They made it clear I’m their balancing of race passives that there would be multiple choices for magicka and for stamina with some choices for hybrids. It don’t think they have interest in making more hybrid builds.

dazee

idk wrote: »

I doubt Zos will consider it. They made it clear I’m their balancing of rage passives that there would be multiple choices for magicka and for stamina with some choices for hybrids. It don’t think they have interest in making more hybrid builds.

Hybrid builds still wont be a thing becuase the other game mechanics dont support it. this suggestion is just to make it so you can choose stam or mag on breton and not be completely screwed on either.

Vildebill

Why should they? It's a great magicka race. All races can't do everything equally good, what's the fun in that?

And if you really want a stamina Breton go ahead, it's not like it will be game breaking.

idk

dazee wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I doubt Zos will consider it. They made it clear I’m their balancing of rage passives that there would be multiple choices for magicka and for stamina with some choices for hybrids. It don’t think they have interest in making more hybrid builds.

Hybrid builds still wont be a thing becuase the other game mechanics dont support it. this suggestion is just to make it so you can choose stam or mag on breton and not be completely screwed on either.

Irrelevant if hybrids would be a thing or not as I wasn’t suggesting they would. I was merely pointing what Zos has said concerning the passives and how it relates to your suggestion

Vietfox

Bretons can be good at stamina builds already. They don't need to worry about running magicka glyphs and stuff.

dazee

Vietfox wrote: »

Bretons can be good at stamina builds already. They don't need to worry about running magicka glyphs and stuff.

Since when do PVE stam builds run magicka glyphs in the first place? if theyre not going to get rid of racial passives very least they can do is give every race some minor bonus to the one theyre not "supposed" to excel at. this is called balance.

People want to play the race that fits the character they have in mind. Intelligent, creative people arent thinking of what will be most OP when they pick a race, they are thinking what race fits this characters concept best? and they should not be punished for it.

Kendaric

dazee wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Bretons can be good at stamina builds already. They don't need to worry about running magicka glyphs and stuff.

Since when do PVE stam builds run magicka glyphs in the first place? if theyre not going to get rid of racial passives very least they can do is give every race some minor bonus to the one theyre not "supposed" to excel at. this is called balance.

People want to play the race that fits the character they have in mind. Intelligent, creative people arent thinking of what will be most OP when they pick a race, they are thinking what race fits this characters concept best? and they should not be punished for it.

You aren't punished for choosing Bretons for a stamina-based character. Are they optimal? No, certainly not. Are they viable? Absolutely.

And yes, I have several Breton stamina characters.

BlueRaven

None of the races should be hard wired for stam or mag builds only. Bretons and high elves should be perfectly fine for stam builds and wood elves should be perfectly fine in mag builds.

The fact that they are not adaptable for what ever build the player wants is a weakness in the games design.

zvavi

This is silly. Saying that bretons has to have stamina passives because of 1 character ignoring a whole *** tons of lore. Also, orc, the "best" stamina races, gives 2k stam+256 wd, which will give you at best, around 15% more damage, more realistically around 9% with all enchants on stam+weapon damage. So

dazee wrote: »

so lets not pretend bretons can't do stam well.

Yep. So lets not pretend Bretons can't do Stam well.

Also lets not pretend that the whole lore points at Bretons having talent in magicka and non in stamina.

And lets not pretend that you "stamina Breton hero" got smacked by nord stamina guy (nords barely have stamina passives too).

Vietfox

dazee wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Bretons can be good at stamina builds already. They don't need to worry about running magicka glyphs and stuff.

Since when do PVE stam builds run magicka glyphs in the first place? if theyre not going to get rid of racial passives very least they can do is give every race some minor bonus to the one theyre not "supposed" to excel at. this is called balance.

People want to play the race that fits the character they have in mind. Intelligent, creative people arent thinking of what will be most OP when they pick a race, they are thinking what race fits this characters concept best? and they should not be punished for it.

I was thinking about PvP. In PvE you can run whatever you want, it's easy.

Browiseth

( r e m o v e r a c i a l p a s s i v e s f r o m t h e g a m e )

Faulgor

Bretons have never had bonuses to combat or thief skills. I understand the confusion because of the role of knights in their culture, but I think that's represented pretty well by their Spell Resistance.

If any race should have a stamina bonus, it's Argonians, which until ESO always excelled in thievery and stealth.
And if any race should have a weapon damage bonus it's Nords, who have always been the strongest race.

YandereGirlfriend

I definitely do not mean this as a value judgment, but I would be curious as to what the overlap between the players who seek to either eliminate or alter the established racial bonuses is with the players for whom ESO is their first exposure to the Elder Scrolls universe (or for whom Skyrim was their first exposure)?

For longtime players who are partial to the lore of the races, the answer to the thread's question is clear: Because that is simply not what a Breton IS. Bretons are casters and anti-mages, they always have been and should continue to be so.

I understand that initial perspectives can differ, that if you come from playing other MMOs (ESO is my first and only MMO) you might be used to races being a cosmetic rather than gameplay distinction, ditto if you come to ESO taking a literal interpretation of the advertisement on the box: "Play any way you like."

But a Breton could no sooner receive a racial bonus to Stamina as a Redguard could receive a bonus to casting, because while examples exist of individual NPCs playing this way, they are the exception rather than the rule in a fantasy setting whose lore dates back literally decades.

More mundanely, having an extra 1028 Stamina won't materially impact the performance of a Breton stamDK but it will upend years of established lore for many players.

AcadianPaladin

This game punishes my Bosmeri mage more than either Skyrim or Oblivion did for her race. I've played exclusively Elder Scrolls games since 2007 and have never waivered from the belief that racial aspects should have no more impact on combat effectiveness than gender.

Deathlord92

I completely agree with you my Breton stamblade is a master assassin and doesn’t cast spells ⚔️

Deathlord92

Even if they gave us like 1k stamina with the max magic passive it wouldn’t hurt lore Bretons have a history of knights anyways it makes perfect sense imo.

D0PAMINE

dazee wrote: »

We all know the Breton hero in the cinematics is using a stam build, so lets not pretend bretons can't do stam well. they should have SOMETHING for stam, maybe shouldn't be the best stam dps race but racial traits are at most a 10% difference so no reason not to give them SOMETHING.

Change the magicka cost reduction passive to grant stam cost reduction as well, and maybe a bit of weapon (but not spell) damage. then you could choose to get the bonus weapon damage and stam recovery, or go magicka for full bonuses but not get bonus spell damage.

Breton works for StamSorc because of Dark Deal.

shadyjane62

Only if they give Imperial and Wood Elf Magic builds.

Deathlord92

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Only if they give Imperial and Wood Elf Magic builds.

I don’t see what wrong with giving them both some magic imperial like abnur Tharn are great mages then there’s the bosmer spinners 🙂

Bucky_13

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I completely agree with you my Breton stamblade is a master assassin and doesn’t cast spells ⚔️

Extra mag for stamblades usually isn't wasted, cloak and shadow in particular are useful for a lot of builds, especially assassin ones. The extra mag I have on my dunmer sniper is a pretty sweet bonus.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Faulgor wrote: »

Bretons have never had bonuses to combat or thief skills. I understand the confusion because of the role of knights in their culture, but I think that's represented pretty well by their Spell Resistance.

If any race should have a stamina bonus, it's Argonians, which until ESO always excelled in thievery and stealth.
And if any race should have a weapon damage bonus it's Nords, who have always been the strongest race.

Make Argonians great again! And not just for support, I feel like a slave to the rest of the group

Royaji

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Bretons have never had bonuses to combat or thief skills. I understand the confusion because of the role of knights in their culture, but I think that's represented pretty well by their Spell Resistance.

If any race should have a stamina bonus, it's Argonians, which until ESO always excelled in thievery and stealth.
And if any race should have a weapon damage bonus it's Nords, who have always been the strongest race.

Make Argonians great again! And not just for support, I feel like a slave to the rest of the group

Sounds like you are right where you belong. Be thankful you are not a bag for the rest of the group.

Xarc

just saying

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512687/bretons-should-not-be-100-magicka

tsaescishoeshiner

Stam cost reduction would be a nice small bonus. I think it's okay that not every race is optimal for every role, but it's nice to have at least ONE little thing—like how Redguards get weapon skill cost reduction for staves, as well. It's not lore-breaking, just game mechanics. All the games have had slight differences in racial abilities

Their culture prominently features knightly orders, and their relatives include Reachmen, Nords, Imperials, and Aldmer. So they have martial ability. A stam cost reduction, for example, would give them a stam pve bonus without characterizing them as strong or physically daunting. Or maybe get some Stamina recovery while their Magicka is full? That could make sense with their bonuses to alteration and thief-skills in prior games

Faulgor

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Bretons have never had bonuses to combat or thief skills. I understand the confusion because of the role of knights in their culture, but I think that's represented pretty well by their Spell Resistance.

If any race should have a stamina bonus, it's Argonians, which until ESO always excelled in thievery and stealth.
And if any race should have a weapon damage bonus it's Nords, who have always been the strongest race.

Make Argonians great again! And not just for support, I feel like a slave to the rest of the group

I always thought Argonians should be the sustain-counterpart to the Dunmer, i.e. a kind of hybrid. Keep the potion passive, and replace 1000 magicka/health with 1875 magicka/stamina. Argonians (along with Bosmer and Bretons) used to have the lowest endurance of any race, they have no business sporting a health bonus imo.

MajBludd

Balance isn't always the best thing to ask for when your vision and the dev's vision for balance are not inline.

Balance leads to everything doing the same thing with different animations.

tonyblack

If lore allowed bear lizards, flame atro camel and purple amazon prime horses along with a lot more questionable design decisions there definitely could be a place for some more player friendly racial bonuses. As it stands now you sacrificing power of 5-piece set for playing suboptimal race, which makes it harder for you and your group to play high end pvp and pve content. Personally, I ended up race changing all my stamina characters to race that benefiting my playstyle more (wasting 7 tokens, only 3 of which was free), although I would rather prefer to play stam altmer over orc unless racials were a thing.

RaddlemanNumber7

Bretons don't actually have to be Bretons. If you really want a stam character you can use an Imperial, or even a Red Guard. Push the bars around to make it look like a Breton and give it a Breton name. Who's to know. The game almost never references your character's race in dialogue.

I have done that the other way around, rolled a Breton and turned it into an Imperial Magblade. It worked for me.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Royaji wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Bretons have never had bonuses to combat or thief skills. I understand the confusion because of the role of knights in their culture, but I think that's represented pretty well by their Spell Resistance.

If any race should have a stamina bonus, it's Argonians, which until ESO always excelled in thievery and stealth.
And if any race should have a weapon damage bonus it's Nords, who have always been the strongest race.

Make Argonians great again! And not just for support, I feel like a slave to the rest of the group

Sounds like you are right where you belong. Be thankful you are not a bag for the rest of the group.

But I am, I’m just a first aid kit wrapped in leather lol

RavenSworn

dazee wrote: »

We all know the Breton hero in the cinematics is using a stam build, so lets not pretend bretons can't do stam well. they should have SOMETHING for stam, maybe shouldn't be the best stam dps race but racial traits are at most a 10% difference so no reason not to give them SOMETHING.

Change the magicka cost reduction passive to grant stam cost reduction as well, and maybe a bit of weapon (but not spell) damage. then you could choose to get the bonus weapon damage and stam recovery, or go magicka for full bonuses but not get bonus spell damage.

U sure? I think he rerolled to a necromancer.