+80 k dps how ?
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Noctus
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im seeing some videos in youtube with people reaching 80 k dps on dummies. i personally hit 36 k with maxed out everything. how is this possible. im using spellstrat and new moon + zaan. tripple resource enchants on armor. infused on mainhand staff. playing magnb. im using atronarch mundus otherwise regen feels to low. i have 2k magicka regen. i use arcane traits on jewelry.
spell pen 11 k and crit 52 % chance. spellpower unbuffed 3 k.
pls only constructive posts
https://i.ibb.co/4pWhP35/dps.png
Edited by Noctus on February 22, 2020 10:38PM spell pen 11 k and crit 52 % chance. spellpower unbuffed 3 k.
pls only constructive posts
https://i.ibb.co/4pWhP35/dps.png
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Thokri✭✭✭✭✭Correct rotation, good weaving, all golden gear and correct enchantment/traits.
Alcast got some nice guides for minmax but not really starter friendly.Edited by Thokri on February 22, 2020 10:43PM8 -
santhoranb16_ESO✭✭✭They use the Trial Target Dummy, which gives you a bunch of buffs and ressources.
AkA they use "optimal ideal setting which in reality never occurs" to just compare their DPS meters.41 -
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✭For starters they're probably using the trial dummy which gives you a full set of raid buffs.9 -
MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭Not all dummies are created equal. Make sure you’re parsing on the Trial Dummy with all the buffs and synergies supplied.6 -
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✭✭santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »They use the Trial Target Dummy, which gives you a bunch of buffs and ressources.
AkA they use "optimal ideal setting which in reality never occurs" to just compare their DPS meters.
This. They are kind of cheating. Allows you to use unlimited synergy buffs. Gives you back resources as well of course.10 -
This. They are kind of cheating. Allows you to use unlimited synergy buffs. Gives you back resources as well of course.
Not cheating...raid dummies simulate optimal buffs that an optimized raid group gets. Even with a raid dummy your rotation needs to be solid to hit mid 70-80 K plus ranges16 -
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✭✭As stated already these parses are done on the raid dummy, which represents a group environment.This first of all pushes the offensive stats massively, but more importantly you can use builds there that you would actually use in a dungeon or raid, since you will, or at least should, have magicka steal and snyergies in actual group content. Similar offensive support to those parses is of course only archived by high end groups. However I would still recommend you to train on a raid dummy instead, so you can optimize your sustain more realistically. Apart from that you might want to drop the prismatic enchants, if I understood that correctly, and use a precise frontbar weapon. I am also not seeing minor force in your uptimes, so you either want to increase the uptime on it or in case you aren't having it use Channeled Acceleration or Rearming Trap. And either run Elemental Rage or Soul Harvest as your ultimate and not Meteor, essepcially not this morph.Edited by FakeFox on February 22, 2020 11:13PMEU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)4 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭As stated already these parses are done on the raid dummy, which represents a group environment.This first of all pushes the offensive stats massively, but more importantly you can use builds there that you would actually use in a dungeon or raid, since you will, or at least should, have magicka steal and snyergies in actual group content. Similar offensive support to those parses is of course only archived by high end groups. However I would still recommend you to train on a raid dummy instead, so you can optimize your sustain more realistically. Apart from that you might want to drop the prismatic enchants, if I understood that correctly, and use a precise frontbar weapon. I am also not seeing minor force in your uptimes, so you either want to increase the uptime on it or in case you aren't having it use channeled acceleration or rearming trap.
i swaped it for elemental drain since the boost it would give me should be pretty low in total(rearming trap/channeled a.). so precise frontbar it is then ill try that.
u think it makes a huge difference to swap prismatic with pure magicka ?(that extra stam and health can help some dungeon mechanics)Edited by Noctus on February 22, 2020 11:15PM0 -
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✭✭On your end: Wrong mundus stone, should be the Shadow. Wrong armor enchantments, should be all Magicka. You didn't mention what food you're using, should be max magicka + Health and/or magicka regen. Do you have a VMA staff for your back bar? Are you using inferno staves? Are you using fire enchant front bar and power enchant back bar? Are you weaving light attacks? What jewelry enchantments are you using? Is your gear all gold? Are your CPs correctly distributed? Are you using the best set of abilities? Do you have all of your passives? The list goes on.
On their end: They're using trial dummies, which give you every buff in existence (which is, of course, impossible in any real situation)
Try using Alcast's build as a jumping off point: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/Edited by Tyrobag on February 22, 2020 11:16PM8 -
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i swaped it for elemental drain since the boost it would give me should be pretty low in total. so precise frontbar it is then ill try that.
u think it makes a huge difference to swap prismatic with pure magicka ?
Well, you shouldn't have to run drain in the first place. And yes, with the correct stat balance, pure magicka makes a considerable difference. You ideally want to run Magicka/HP food and then you need nothing else into HP, but if you need to continue running reg food, you might need a little bit of additional health.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)0 -
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✭CallmeFishmeal wrote: »Macros
No, I can pull 50+ 6mil and 80+ trial, its really not that hard when you understand the game mechs.8 -
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No, I can pull 50+ 6mil and 80+ trial, its really not that hard when you understand the game mechs.
I understand the game mechs quite well. As OP said, I'm max CP and can copy the exact gear, CP setup, everything from a video of someone hitting 80k+ and still can only reach 36k max. I saw someone in zone chat talking about how they can bind their entire rotation to one key, so all they got is one button and sit back while their rotation is played out flawlessly for them. That's cheating imo. I also think target dummies should stun the attacker or something every once in a while because real dungeon/trial bosses just don't stand there while getting attacked.10 -
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✭CallmeFishmeal wrote: »
I understand the game mechs quite well. As OP said, I'm max CP and can copy the exact gear, CP setup, everything from a video of someone hitting 80k+ and still can only reach 36k max. I saw someone in zone chat talking about how they can bind their entire rotation to one key, so all they got is one button and sit back while their rotation is played out flawlessly for them. That's cheating imo. I also think target dummies should stun the attacker or something every once in a while because real dungeon/trial bosses just don't stand there while getting attacked.
100% agree that is cheating, but not everyone uses macros, im aware some do but it is definitely achievable without cheating was my point, as I do it and my buddies and GF.Edited by Stebarnz on February 22, 2020 11:52PM15 -
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This. They are kind of cheating. Allows you to use unlimited synergy buffs. Gives you back resources as well of course.
In real raid situations you actually have higher sustain than trial dummys, because not only you will get orbs for closely 100% uptime on that synergy, you will most likely have other synergies that you can proc (inner fire, bone shield, blood altar, and so on) which procs undaunted passive.
People only use raid dummy to compare classes equally, because some have unique buffs that others don't, like Minor Vulnerability uptime, Minor Fracture (stamplars) and so on which inflates their DPS in other dummy tests, however on trial dummys it's a more consistent comparison for classes vs classes DPS, while also allowing magicka classes do a parse without slotting ele drain.Edited by Nevasca on February 22, 2020 11:56PM9 -
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✭✭CallmeFishmeal wrote: »because real dungeon/trial bosses just don't stand there while getting attacked.
Well, with capable tanks and healers they kind of do.
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✭Littlebluelizard wrote: »
In real raid situations you actually have higher sustain than trial dummys, because not only you will get orbs for closely 100% uptime on that synergy, you will most likely have other synergies that you can proc (inner fire, bone shield, blood altar, and so on)
People only use raid dummy to compare classes equally, because some have unique buffs that others don't, like Minor Vulnerability uptime, Minor Fracture (stamplars) and so on which inflates their DPS in other dummy tests, however on trial dummys it's a more consistent comparison for classes vs classes DPS, while also allowing magicka classes do a parse without slotting ele drain.
In True maxed out trial parse will also be higher than raid dummy.4 -
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Yes, note that you does not get this level of buffs in dungeons even with dedicated tanks and healers, not even in pug trials.phontom78kiss wrote: »
Not cheating...raid dummies simulate optimal buffs that an optimized raid group gets. Even with a raid dummy your rotation needs to be solid to hit mid 70-80 K plus ranges
However I noticed my dps is higher in trials than on dummy.
And my dps is half of that.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
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✭✭✭And OP, looking at your screenshot you're really not doing that bad. The armor enchantments are definitely holding you back. Use ghastly eyebowl on dummy for sustain, then switch out for damage mundus. Run two inferno staves for the single target damage.
No one is hitting 80k on a 3mil dummy, I assure you. Are you in any guilds? They often have a guild hall with a trial dummy. Using one will help you accurately compare yourself to someone also parsing on onez and the synergies and debuffs will also fix your sustain issue.1 -
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✭Swap food for ghastly and use shadow mundus while keeping minor force 100% uptime, better CP allocation. 10k right there.Edited by Stebarnz on February 22, 2020 11:59PM4 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭And OP, looking at your screenshot you're really not doing that bad. The armor enchantments are definitely holding you back. Use ghastly eyebowl on dummy for sustain, then switch out for damage mundus. Run two inferno staves for the single target damage.
No one is hitting 80k on a 3mil dummy, I assure you. Are you in any guilds? They often have a guild hall with a trial dummy. Using one will help you accurately compare yourself to someone also parsing on onez and the synergies and debuffs will also fix your sustain issue.
yes ty im above 40 k now didnt change to precise on mainhand yet. ghastly eyebowl seems rly good. is that the best these days if it comes to pure dmg and sustain ?1 -
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yes ty im above 40 k now didnt change to precise on mainhand yet. ghastly eyebowl seems rly good. is that the best these days if it comes to pure dmg and sustain ?
Don't use damage mundus use shadow, get minor force running, ghastly prob best for mag parsing.Edited by Stebarnz on February 23, 2020 12:01AM1 -
L2Pissue✭✭✭✭✭I'm here to clarify that these builds are useless for the average player or even the experienced player, as the optimal raids on pc eu for example are 4-5 groups, the rest try to mimic them with same builds but end up wiping indifenitely.
end game raiding in ESO is devastated by guilds trying to min/max instead of actually ditching some damage in order to favor the survival of other group members10 -
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yes ty im above 40 k now didnt change to precise on mainhand yet. ghastly eyebowl seems rly good. is that the best these days if it comes to pure dmg and sustain ?
Precise will also help a lot. Ghastly Eyebowl is ideal parse food for mag. Obviously not suitable for trials though, and also not good if you're trying to actually see how good your sustain is. It's good for letting you practice your rota and see what it can produce without sustain issues.
And just to be clear, when I say damage mundus I did mean 'whatever the best overall damage boost mundus is for you class and not sustain mundus'. I would assume it's Shadow on mag NB unless someone disagrees.2 -
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yes ty im above 40 k now didnt change to precise on mainhand yet. ghastly eyebowl seems rly good. is that the best these days if it comes to pure dmg and sustain ?
People use ghastly eye bowl for dummy parses because it simulates the sustain that you actually get in trials from healer support. It’s not used in trials through because you wouldn’t have enough health.2 -
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✭Those parses exist to show what the absolute ceiling of DPS could be for a class/spec given optimal raid buffs.3 -
FakeFox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think there is a bit of confusion on what the raid dummy provides and how it compares to a actual raid boss. The dummy has basically all standard buffs and debuffs, so Minor Berserk, Minor Savagery, Minor Sorcery, Minor Brutality, Major Courage, Minor Vulnerability, Minor Magicka Steal, Resistance Debuffs, etc. and with the exception of Major Force (Warhorn) uptimes of 80%+ of all relevant ones are achievable in the damages phases of most raid bosses. You can also have damage buffs in raid groups that you do not have on the dummy, like Z'en, Martial Knowledge and Major Vulnerability. In terms of sustain the dummy does only provide Minor Magicka Steal, Wormcult, Hircines and a Synergy every 20 Seconds. The resource support in raids can be a lot better with Hollowfang, Symphony, Sentinel, etc. and generally more synergies. Of course having all these things requires a well optimized group, but it is far from impossible.Edited by FakeFox on February 23, 2020 12:22AMEU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)5 -
xF1REFL1x✭✭✭I hit 80k on my magblade... my jewelry is traited as bloodthirsty. Sioria Inferno Staff front bar with 3 pieces of gear and Mothers Sorrow jewelry with 2 peices of gear. Zanns monster set.
Check out VGN Plasma on youtube... he hits very high on xbox.
A lot of players have sets they parse in... but many trials will require you to change sets up depending on what works best for group and that specific trial. For many trials I will swap out Siroria for the Master Architect set.0 -
xF1REFL1x✭✭✭Also... it took a lot of parsing on the 21m for me to get there as well as a friends help with nailing down the rotation. Hitting the rotation is everything.1
