Why lock event rewards behind horrible RNG? It helps no one except those willing to pay.

Aptonoth

4 box drops no fragments. *** zenimax.

newtinmpls

Linaleah wrote: »

have you read people's accounts of how OFTEN those strongobxes drop?

I wasn't expecting anything different.

My goal in playing was to get some drops that I can decon to get the Hawk-whatevers so I can make some furniture for a house I'm putting together for my beloved. And low and behold after doing runs and deconning - I have one.

So wide bench for the garden - here I come!

AlienSlof

Starlock wrote: »

This is a test, probably. To see how many customers they can sucker into the cash shop. Don’t fall for it.

We will only see more of this from here unless by some miracle they don’t sucker as many players as they projected.

^ Probably this.

Got tickets from killing some trash, giving me enough for the next berry, though I never got a box. I'll pass on the rest. Not bothered for a blob of slime that looks like snot or a memento, certainly not going to grind. Never, EVER will I buy tickets from the clown shop. Got better things to do with my time. This is a game, not a job.

Major fail for me on this one.

darthgummibear_ESO

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Except you forgot there’s a chance of strong boxes dropping more than the guaranteed daily one, @Linaleah.

Did you read the Event details? Twice?

At what drop rate? .001%? I've spoken to a whopping 2 people out of hundreds that have gotten a second box from farming.

Asardes

Just like the Elsweyr events, the first strongbox is guaranteed, the next ones have a very drop rate, so it's not really worth farming the latter. I'm content doing the 3 daily quests and getting the first box and the tickets that drop from killing the mobs along the way. That takes me ~15-20 minutes at most, including traveling time. No way I'm allocating more time for this event.

I really don't get it why some people keep farming stuff that's purely cosmetic and has an abysmal drop rate to begin with. I mean I can understand farming a weapon from a set that really boosts your DPS, but something that you maybe use once and you forget you even got in your collection 2 weeks later ... In this case they're not even transferable, so you can't sell them like those monster set or weapon outfit pages which can go for a few hundred thousand gold.

There was someone in a trade guild asking constantly for people to farm one of those dungeons for the monthly monster mask. At the end of the month I asked him how many of them he got. And he said he got none. And it was one of the ugliest monster masks, one that I hide on all my character. There are far more interesting things in game than running the same content 100x in a row for an abysmally low chance for the wanted reward.

redlink1979

+- 5h of gameplay, 6 different chars used and... 2 boxes collected, one of them only had trash in it...

daemonios

Asardes wrote: »

I really don't get it why some people keep farming stuff that's purely cosmetic and has an abysmal drop rate to begin with. (...) There are far more interesting things in game than running the same content 100x in a row for an abysmally low chance for the wanted reward.

You don't really get to decide what others enjoy. Plenty of people enjoy trying to get all of the things. It's as simple as that, and your judgment doesn't change it. ZOS know it, and design much of the game so that these people will either farm longer, or spend money if the option is there. At some point it becomes simply exploitative.

Good for you if you can simply skip these. I can too. But it takes away from my enjoyment of the game, because it's not just the low drop rate, it's the way ZOS take away options that they had previously given us, such as the option to trade with others for missing style pages or runeboxes, while providing an immediate solution behind a paywall. It's play the game until your fingers bleed and maybe, possibly, get a chance at getting all the pieces, or else buy these here tickets from the clown store and get it NOW, zero effort required.

Ragged_Claw

Farmed bosses, collected nodes, killed mobs and opened chests for hours on both NA and EU. Only got the guaranteed box on each server. Both had vendor trash in. My tickets were full on NA so I had to blindly buy two fragments and hope they don't drop later. No-one else in any of my ten guilds got a second box either. Kinda regret spending those tickets now, as I highly doubt I'll be able to complete even just the pet at this rate, given the re-download is going to interrupt the event.

Pointless event, they may as well not have bothered and just put the items in the Crown store since they want us to spend money so badly.

These anniversary events are meant as a little thank-you to the players and as an incentive to buy the dlc. This fails on both counts imo.

Elsonso

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Working as intended?

you could be reading the event details (twice), getting your tickets and strongboxes every day.. and STILL not ending up with enough fragments to make both pet and memento. and before you say anything else that is pithy and in defense of ZoS. fragments. are. not. tradable. they. are NOT. a guaranteed. drop. they cost 5 tickets each. you need 70 tickets to buy all the fragments. you can only get 39 tickets through entirety of the event. you can ONLY store 12 tickets on account so you can NOT wait until the end of the event to buy only the fragments you are missing, in hopes that you got at least some of them to drop during event. there is NO way to predict which specific fragments may or may not drop for you, so you have to spend tickets blind.

A simple "yes" would have answered the question.

L2Pissue

jircris11 wrote: »

Yet I have had no issues getting g what the event promised. You just need patience and a bit of luck. Ppl need to stop expecting things to be handed to them like zos is their mother.

Players like you make the game a worst place. it's ok if playersget what they want by playing 15 hours,
but to play same content over and over for 50 hours or more and not get what you looking for is not acceptable

TheFM

After seein the debacle this event is, and how they absolutely refuse to acknowledge the problems with their servers I am, after years of playing this game, mulling around the idea of cutting ties completely.

• Pvp is an absolute mess, cp is like the trash planet from thor at this point.
• Quality of gameplay continues to drop like crazy, lag is even leaking into overland areas now where no one is around.
• Events are a mess, and its clear they are constantly making the RNG worse so people buy stuff in the crown shop.
• Harassment reports are not taken seriously.
• Blatant cheaters are no longer being banned
• Obvious bias toward stamina is obvious.
• Expansions slowly getting smaller and smaller and they demand the same prices
• Preferential treatment of US players over EU players
• EU servers are a dumpsterfire since over 2 years now.
  

I could really continue for a while, but there comes a point where it becomes clear the devs dont actually care about the quality of the game anymore and just want money.

TheFM

jircris11 wrote: »

Yet I have had no issues getting g what the event promised. You just need patience and a bit of luck. Ppl need to stop expecting things to be handed to them like zos is their mother.

Grinding for 10 hours and not getting anything is people being impatient? Okay.

If a tree falls in the woods and you dont hear it, it doesnt make a sound according to you?

DreadDaedroth

It should be an event but it's more an experiment with players as lab rats.

Linaleah

Elsonso wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Working as intended?

you could be reading the event details (twice), getting your tickets and strongboxes every day.. and STILL not ending up with enough fragments to make both pet and memento. and before you say anything else that is pithy and in defense of ZoS. fragments. are. not. tradable. they. are NOT. a guaranteed. drop. they cost 5 tickets each. you need 70 tickets to buy all the fragments. you can only get 39 tickets through entirety of the event. you can ONLY store 12 tickets on account so you can NOT wait until the end of the event to buy only the fragments you are missing, in hopes that you got at least some of them to drop during event. there is NO way to predict which specific fragments may or may not drop for you, so you have to spend tickets blind.

A simple "yes" would have answered the question.

I mean technically, yes. but this intention is something I'd rather ZoS didn't keep pushing. because it WILL drive players away.

jaws343

TheFM wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Yet I have had no issues getting g what the event promised. You just need patience and a bit of luck. Ppl need to stop expecting things to be handed to them like zos is their mother.

Grinding for 10 hours and not getting anything is people being impatient? Okay.

If a tree falls in the woods and you dont hear it, it doesnt make a sound according to you?

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

Starlock

Linaleah wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Working as intended?

you could be reading the event details (twice), getting your tickets and strongboxes every day.. and STILL not ending up with enough fragments to make both pet and memento. and before you say anything else that is pithy and in defense of ZoS. fragments. are. not. tradable. they. are NOT. a guaranteed. drop. they cost 5 tickets each. you need 70 tickets to buy all the fragments. you can only get 39 tickets through entirety of the event. you can ONLY store 12 tickets on account so you can NOT wait until the end of the event to buy only the fragments you are missing, in hopes that you got at least some of them to drop during event. there is NO way to predict which specific fragments may or may not drop for you, so you have to spend tickets blind.

A simple "yes" would have answered the question.

I mean technically, yes. but this intention is something I'd rather ZoS didn't keep pushing. because it WILL drive players away.

Already happened. I'm (barely) still supporting this game and they've already seen a halving of the money I used to spend on it. Saw the writing on the wall when they put skill points and skill lines in the cash shop. That crossed a serious line. Then, when event tickets were put in the cash shop, I saw another line crossed.

None of this surprises me anymore. What would surprise me is if they actually learned some ethics and removed event tickets from the cash shop entirely.

Linaleah

Starlock wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Working as intended?

you could be reading the event details (twice), getting your tickets and strongboxes every day.. and STILL not ending up with enough fragments to make both pet and memento. and before you say anything else that is pithy and in defense of ZoS. fragments. are. not. tradable. they. are NOT. a guaranteed. drop. they cost 5 tickets each. you need 70 tickets to buy all the fragments. you can only get 39 tickets through entirety of the event. you can ONLY store 12 tickets on account so you can NOT wait until the end of the event to buy only the fragments you are missing, in hopes that you got at least some of them to drop during event. there is NO way to predict which specific fragments may or may not drop for you, so you have to spend tickets blind.

A simple "yes" would have answered the question.

I mean technically, yes. but this intention is something I'd rather ZoS didn't keep pushing. because it WILL drive players away.

Already happened. I'm (barely) still supporting this game and they've already seen a halving of the money I used to spend on it. Saw the writing on the wall when they put skill points and skill lines in the cash shop. That crossed a serious line. Then, when event tickets were put in the cash shop, I saw another line crossed.

None of this surprises me anymore. What would surprise me is if they actually learned some ethics and removed event tickets from the cash shop entirely.

fair enough. it could get even worse though. I guess i;m still hoping ZoS will realize that what they are doing is going to result in less money not more. but I will admit, that hope is dimming given all the concerns about the event and the one official post about murkmire this morning is "what are your favorite memories" sigh...

Sephyr

Starlock wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Working as intended?

you could be reading the event details (twice), getting your tickets and strongboxes every day.. and STILL not ending up with enough fragments to make both pet and memento. and before you say anything else that is pithy and in defense of ZoS. fragments. are. not. tradable. they. are NOT. a guaranteed. drop. they cost 5 tickets each. you need 70 tickets to buy all the fragments. you can only get 39 tickets through entirety of the event. you can ONLY store 12 tickets on account so you can NOT wait until the end of the event to buy only the fragments you are missing, in hopes that you got at least some of them to drop during event. there is NO way to predict which specific fragments may or may not drop for you, so you have to spend tickets blind.

A simple "yes" would have answered the question.

I mean technically, yes. but this intention is something I'd rather ZoS didn't keep pushing. because it WILL drive players away.

Already happened. I'm (barely) still supporting this game

^This. If this major overhaul doesn't fix the game client, Greymoor will probably be my last Chapter purchase. To add insult to injury, having to redownload the entire game during the event is not only stupid, it's impractical. Most won't be getting the full 36 tickets. "Oh but you totally get three tickets each day during this event!" What a load of old Sithis.

Number_51

Acrolas wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

when you assembled a pet - did you farm strongboxes? or did you just buy extra tickets from crownstore.

Entered the event with 12 tickets from Mayhem. Bought, alphabetically, the first two pet fragments at 5 apiece.

Boxes dropped four unique pet fragments and two unique memento fragments. Used my two leftover tickets plus the three from today to buy the last pet fragment once I had six of them.

So when reset rolls around in a half hour or so, there are probably three possible options. Either a box with one memento fragment, a box with two memento fragments, or a box with zero fragments because duplicates are invisible.

Are we sure duplicates are invisible? During the Witches Festival apple bobbing fragments continued to drop. The first fragment went into collections but duplicates went into inventory and could be traded/sold.

Linaleah

Number_51 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

when you assembled a pet - did you farm strongboxes? or did you just buy extra tickets from crownstore.

Entered the event with 12 tickets from Mayhem. Bought, alphabetically, the first two pet fragments at 5 apiece.

Boxes dropped four unique pet fragments and two unique memento fragments. Used my two leftover tickets plus the three from today to buy the last pet fragment once I had six of them.

So when reset rolls around in a half hour or so, there are probably three possible options. Either a box with one memento fragment, a box with two memento fragments, or a box with zero fragments because duplicates are invisible.

Are we sure duplicates are invisible? During the Witches Festival apple bobbing fragments continued to drop. The first fragment went into collections but duplicates went into inventory and could be traded/sold.

none of my apple bobbing fragments went directly into collections though. they went into my bags and i had to add them to collections manually. unlike this event, where adding is automatic.

Ryath_Waylander

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Except you forgot there’s a chance of strong boxes dropping more than the guaranteed daily one, @Linaleah.

Did you read the Event details? Twice?

10 hours of farming and getting nothing means that either I'm the unluckiest player in the game or for 99.99999% of the population, 1 per day is realistically all they are getting.

And thats a problem.

This! I am farming there with my alts, since the event started, including running one through the main quest. In 2 days I have had not 1 random strongbox drop and neither has my husband. Only got the two so far from the 1 per day drop. I just think it is really sad that they have reduced the collectable parts to fragments so I can't swap them with my fellow guildies I suppose this is just another way to suck fun out of an event and make darn sure the people who haven't got the DLC, don't have a hope in hell at the collectibles.

daemonios

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

jaws343

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

daemonios

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

You said it is "literally the same action". I demonstrated that it literally is not. Regardless of what one may think about the clown store.

jaws343

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

You said it is "literally the same action". I demonstrated that it literally is not. Regardless of what one may think about the clown store.

You are trading gold to another player for an item you want. Same action. How the player acquires the item is irrelevant.

kringled_1

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

You said it is "literally the same action". I demonstrated that it literally is not. Regardless of what one may think about the clown store.

You are trading gold to another player for an item you want. Same action. How the player acquires the item is irrelevant.

The barrier is far higher. If you're not already buying crowns, it's far more effort to establish a relationship with a crown seller with a good reputation. It also pushes the price up by roughly a factor of 10-20 compared to where I've seen limited time collectibles sell in the past.
I will probably write off both pet and memento as a poor use of my resources.

PizzaCat82

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

You said it is "literally the same action". I demonstrated that it literally is not. Regardless of what one may think about the clown store.

You are trading gold to another player for an item you want. Same action. How the player acquires the item is irrelevant.

It teaches ZOS that the drop rate is fine and that people will buy what they need.

Linaleah

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I would say crying about the sky falling on day 1 of the event is impatient. Day 1.

Because we should expect the drop mechanic and rate to change in the course of the event? What you're saying is essentially that there is no point in complaining, period. Which isn't wrong, I don't think ZOS will change anything. But the complaints are still legitimate.

And for those saying you cannot buy or sell the fragments with gold to other players, can't you just use the gold you are willing to spend on the fragments to buy the tickets from other players selling crowns? It is literally the same action.

No, it is not. When you buy clown store items for gold, someone needs to put real money into the game. That is VERY different from a simple player to player transaction using in-game gold earned by playing, not least because the latter has in-game support in the form of the trade interface/guild stores to prevent scamming, while the former exposes the parties to a serious risk of being scammed.

Do it through a guild with a legitimate crown seller and there is zero risk. And the crown sellers are going this regardless of whether you want a ticket or any other item. The money is being spent. Might as well use that resource as an avenue to trade gold at zero monetary cost to you to someone else for the item you want.

You said it is "literally the same action". I demonstrated that it literally is not. Regardless of what one may think about the clown store.

You are trading gold to another player for an item you want. Same action. How the player acquires the item is irrelevant.

It teaches ZOS that the drop rate is fine and that people will buy what they need.

THIS. the fact that you are trading with another players does NOT erase the fact that these tickets didn't come from gameplay, they can from CASH STORE.

Katahdin

Not going to try and grind boxes and definitely not buying tickets from the crown store.

I agree with others that these events are getting more grindy. Since that seems to not have worked well enough to push people to buy tickets on the crown store, they are now limiting the ability to obtain the rewards in game so in order to get them, you HAVE to go to the crown store.

Not good and not a way to retain customers

newtinmpls

Linaleah wrote: »

have you read people's accounts of how OFTEN those strongobxes drop?

I wasn't expecting anything different.

My goal in playing was to get some drops that I can decon to get the Hawk-whatevers so I can make some furniture for a house I'm putting together for my beloved. And low and behold after doing runs and deconning - I have one.

So wide bench for the garden - here I come!