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Does this bother anyone else?
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andreasv✭✭✭✭✭Even though, or maybe because of, me not being a native speaker those small things bother me. Especially when a product or service should look professional on all levels. But I guess EOS doesn't care for that.18 -
loki504✭✭Aaah didn't even notice😀. So it doesn't bother me. But a stupid mistake for a big company.15 -
CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭Even though, or maybe because of, me not being a native speaker those small things bother me. Especially when a product or service should look professional on all levels. But I guess EOS doesn't care for that.
I'm not a native speaker either, and I know exactly what you mean. Every time I see someone say "could/should/would of" instead of "have" or the other popular mistakes like effect/affect, their/there/they're and your/you're, and I can be pretty certain it comes from a native speaker I can't help but die a little inside. Maybe it is because I have a bit of an obsession with grammar and spelling myself (I always edit my comments when I notice I've made a typo) but I really wonder how it is possible that so many native english speakers have such immense trouble with their own language. It's just really weird to me
This poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!18 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Huh. I never noticed. I never saw that panel until today.But a stupid mistake for a big company.
Big companies are made from individual people. Today, individual people have become dependent upon spelling checkers and auto-correct. It is possible that neither of those exist in the tool used to make that graphic. The mind also tends to read what is supposed to be there and will fix these things.
Edited by Elsonso on February 7, 2020 12:38PM11 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »I really wonder how it is possible that so many native english speakers have such immense trouble with their own language. It's just really weird to me
That's quite simple: they're learning their language by listening to their parents, long before they even learn how to write. On the other hand, non-native speakers are learning the spoken and the written form at the same time (and some even learn solely by reading; for example, I learned my English mostly by playing Ultima
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So it is not really their fault... due to the convoluted and unpredictable nature of English spelling (reading both "g" and "j" as "dzh"; reading "c" variably as "k" or as "s"; and many other similar insanities), it is only natural they have no damn idea how to properly write down their own language.
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CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »CassandraGemini wrote: »I really wonder how it is possible that so many native english speakers have such immense trouble with their own language. It's just really weird to me
That's quite simple: they're learning their language by listening to their parents, long before they even learn how to write. On the other hand, non-native speakers are learning the spoken and the written form at the same time (and some even learn solely by reading; for example, I learned my English mostly by playing Ultima )
So it is not really their fault... due to the convoluted and unpredictable nature of English spelling (reading both "g" and "j" as "dzh"; reading "c" variably as "k" or as "s"; and many other similar insanities), it is only natural they have no damn idea how to properly write down their own language.
Hm... I suspect there might be some truth to what you say, but it doesn't really convince me. Doesn't everybody learn their own language like that? By listening to the spoken word and then learning to write it (and even though I can't exactly prove that here I can assure you that I make neither spelling nor grammar mistakes in my own native language - at least where everyday vocabulary is concerned and not some special or technical term I never use otherwise)? And english is really pretty easy to learn in comparison to many others, every language has its intricacies and obstacles. Yet I seem to observe this inability to use their own language correctly exceedingly often in native english speakers.
Not sure I want to think about, much less discuss here, what the implications of that are, though, to be honest. I do think, it can safely be said, however, that a big company like Zenimax should ensure, spelling mistakes like that don't happen. It's a bit embarrassing. This poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!4 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »Hm... I suspect there might be some truth to what you say, but it doesn't really convince me. Doesn't everybody learn their own language like that? By listening to the spoken word and then learning to write it (and even though I can't exactly prove that here I can assure you that I make neither spelling nor grammar mistakes in my own native language - at least where everyday vocabulary is concerned and not some special or technical term I never use otherwise)? And english is really pretty easy to learn in comparison to many others, every language has its intricacies and obstacles. Yet I seem to observe this inability to use their own language correctly exceedingly often in native english speakers.
The education system in my city used some non-confrontational way of teaching kids to spell that did not involve actually spelling the words correctly. If they spelled a word wrong, but it looked like they tried, they were not told. If a person learns to spell a word wrong, and that incorrect spelling is reinforced, that baggage goes with them for decades, even if they eventually learn the correct spelling.
This breeds dependency upon spelling checkers and auto-correct.
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RaddlemanNumber7✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm sure that was a honest mistake. It's the words that Americans misspell on purpose that really make me laugh
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Inaya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah that kind of stuff makes me crazy! That and news people saying nucular instead of nuclear, their/there/they're. . .4 -
Inaya✭✭✭✭✭
✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »CassandraGemini wrote: »I really wonder how it is possible that so many native english speakers have such immense trouble with their own language. It's just really weird to me
That's quite simple: they're learning their language by listening to their parents, long before they even learn how to write. On the other hand, non-native speakers are learning the spoken and the written form at the same time (and some even learn solely by reading; for example, I learned my English mostly by playing Ultima )
So it is not really their fault... due to the convoluted and unpredictable nature of English spelling (reading both "g" and "j" as "dzh"; reading "c" variably as "k" or as "s"; and many other similar insanities), it is only natural they have no damn idea how to properly write down their own language.
It's their fault for being lazy and not caring. The English language is not unpredictable and though you say convoluted it really is just simple rules that once learned and memorized is not more complicated than any other.4 -
CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭CassandraGemini wrote: »Hm... I suspect there might be some truth to what you say, but it doesn't really convince me. Doesn't everybody learn their own language like that? By listening to the spoken word and then learning to write it (and even though I can't exactly prove that here I can assure you that I make neither spelling nor grammar mistakes in my own native language - at least where everyday vocabulary is concerned and not some special or technical term I never use otherwise)? And english is really pretty easy to learn in comparison to many others, every language has its intricacies and obstacles. Yet I seem to observe this inability to use their own language correctly exceedingly often in native english speakers.
The education system in my city used some non-confrontational way of teaching kids to spell that did not involve actually spelling the words correctly. If they spelled a word wrong, but it looked like they tried, they were not told. If a person learns to spell a word wrong, and that incorrect spelling is reinforced, that baggage goes with them for decades, even if they eventually learn the correct spelling.
This breeds dependency upon spelling checkers and auto-correct.
Oh, yeah, I know what you mean, we have a system like that in Germany, too ("Montessori" it is called here), but it is more like an unconventional alternative to the "normal" schools. Works the same way, though. And it's like that in your entire city, you say? Wow, that... might not be the best approach I could imagine. Had no idea that was a thing. Knowing that I probably won't be quite as harsh when it comes to the whole language-situation in the future, I guess.This poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!0 -
lozq✭✭✭As a native English speaker who enjoys learning other languages, I think there's a few reasons that contribute to this.
1) In Australia (I can't speak for other Anglophone nations) there is very little focus on grammar and language in schools. While you do creative writing, spelling, reading comprehension and whatnot, there's barely any attention paid to the actual bones of the language itself. Beyond learning the difference between verbs, adjectives, nouns and adverbs, it's kind of assumed that you'll just 'pick it up' or something.
2) Compared to the rest of the world, English speakers rarely learn foreign languages to any degree of fluency. While the rest of the world is learning English and a couple of geographically useful languages, the native English speakers don't bother. Why should we? Everyone speaks English these days. But it's when learning a new language that you really have to get to grips with grammar - if you don't know what a subjunctive is, you can't know when you should or shouldn't use it. Learning other languages helps you understand your own, and language in general.
3) English is rather mongrel. We have out own often non-phonetic spellings mixed in with stuff from Latin, French, German, Greek and god knows what else. Unless people know that 'X word is irregular' they'll usually go for a phonetic spelling. Which is often wrong. While some spelling lessons from school stick, many more get forgotten.
4) Unless you move in certain circles, speaking/reading/writing well is not seen as a useful or even desirable skill. If anything, it's seen as pretentious. I think this may have something to do with English not really having anything to do with national identity, while as speakers of a minority (in global terms) language may feel more of an attachment/respect for their mother tongue and strive to speak it well.
Please note, this could all be complete dross. But it's what I've always thought.
Cheers
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ACESsiggy✭✭✭Noticed but figured someone would of caught it there at ESO. Guess those guys huddled around their computers haven't been playing lately.1
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I always cringe when it says "New house available."
No, I've had that house (those houses) for years. Just because it's new to somebody who started playing yesterday doesn't make it new.
Edited by Jaraal on February 7, 2020 1:39PM3 -
Loulong✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »
ZoS dud it especialy just fir you
They know yur triggers frome the new TOS you agread to.
Somehow I don't doubt that a bit!0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »Even though, or maybe because of, me not being a native speaker those small things bother me. Especially when a product or service should look professional on all levels. But I guess EOS doesn't care for that.
I'm not a native speaker either, and I know exactly what you mean. Every time I see someone say "could/should/would of" instead of "have" or the other popular mistakes like effect/affect, their/there/they're and your/you're, and I can be pretty certain it comes from a native speaker I can't help but die a little inside. Maybe it is because I have a bit of an obsession with grammar and spelling myself (I always edit my comments when I notice I've made a typo) but I really wonder how it is possible that so many native english speakers have such immense trouble with their own language. It's just really weird to me
Or the good ol' classic than/then.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!4 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Doesn't bothers me tbh. As I see it: just two letters misplaced...
Is the sky falling?! No. Lol
PS - But as a person who likes to write properly, I feel you.Edited by redlink1979 on February 7, 2020 2:50PM"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2360 CP
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm always bothered by misspellings and grammatical mistakes. Unfortunately, it's getting worse all the time.6 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'd be more concerned if you are unable to read past small spelling errors...
The sign of a strong reader is someone who can understand bad grammar as well as good. In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
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It took me a minute to pickup the misspelling of receive. I think the fact that it is in a graphic rather than written page also makes it more likely to be overlooked.1
