Blessed Crucible - trolling?

Nairinhe

They wanted to challenge the Troll King, just a little bit differently

Neoealth

It was probably a personal joke to them. People can be weird. It happens. :-p

MartiniDaniels

Maybe you were 25k HP+ ?

furiouslog

I hate PUGs.

Alpheu5

zaria wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Yes, its a bit weird, standard is either max magic and max health or health, magic and magic regen.

Exception is if you have lots of health, an tank build with lots of health is better off with magic + magic regen then not tanking.
Using stamina + stamina regen on my tanks.

How much health do you have with food? If you have much over 20K I understand them. 17-19K health is standard for DD or healers

I think my max health after the food buff is just under 21k.

They probably thought it was a bit high, however without max health food it would be below 16K who is low.
They would also not know how good your sustain is,

With Minor Toughness from Warden heals and someone wearing Ebon it'd bump the health up to a respectable amount. If you're good at avoiding damage and have a good healer just in case, you can definitely get away with running Ghastly Eye. Of course you'll swap to Witchmother's/Parmesan Pork during fights where it's possible to get hit for ~16k in a short span of time.

MEBengalsFan2001

Feral wrote: »

@Raisin it seemed odd tho to assume a reasonably experienced player like me (CP460) would need to be coached on food without them knowing anything about my build (I'm on Xbox NA, so we can't see other people's health etc).

They weren't rude, just very insistent. They must've tried trading with me over 20 times lol, sometimes when I was fighting adds. I thought they were going to kick me when I refused, but they just played along. I'm guessing they were just trolling me big time and am glad I didn't fall for it

You can see other player health by turning on the feature to show numbers. When you look at another player it shows their health. Maybe they thought you had that much health without food and didn't realize you already eat food to buff magika and health.

ZOS_Volpe

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Feral

Nairinhe wrote: »

They wanted to challenge the Troll King, just a little bit differently

Haha I like this reply!

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maybe you were 25k HP+ ?

Nope, around 21k - same as always when I run dungeons or fight WB or whatever

furiouslog wrote: »

I hate PUGs.

Most of them are fine (I do on avg 2-3 PuGs / day), but you do get occasional ones that are annoying or weird, with things like players just sprinting all the way through skipping adds and leaving it for the rest to fight or dropping out in the middle of the dungeon and what not. They are certainly not reliable, so I always go in like I would solo and just play along - can't expect the tank or medic to do their role 100%, since a lot of times it's just DPS people who couldn't be bothered waiting in the Queue.

Feral

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

You can see other player health by turning on the feature to show numbers. When you look at another player it shows their health. Maybe they thought you had that much health without food and didn't realize you already eat food to buff magika and health.

Yeah, I get that now. I personally wouldn't presume things about other players, esp. CP 160+. Hell, I've done lots of dungeon runs with PuGs and even when there are level 30 or less players in there, I never try to boss them or hurry them if they are trying to do the quest and what not.

Having read through this thread has me convinced that it was just a massive trolling attempt lol

CASP3R421

Feral wrote: »

So I'm a pet Sorc CP 460 and I had a weird experience earlier today when I PUGed for Vet Blessed Crucible.

The other 3 players were all CP 810 and were good. Except, right from the beginning, they INSISTED I take eat some Ghastly Eye bowl to get through the dungeon. It wasn't just one, it was all 3 of them, taking turns and trying to trade with me, offering to give me some GEB. I've done the run before but it was my first time on vet and I thought it went OK. Throughout the run, they took turns trying to trade with me and using text chat to make me take it (which I didn't want to, cause I was using my own food buff).

Then right before the last boss fight, one of them said the tank wouldn't pull the boss unless I took it, so I jumped down and started engaging the boss (as a DPS) and they all followed. Funny thing is, even after the final fight was over, they STILL insisted I take some LMAO! I said GG and left the group, having gotten the helmet I wanted.

So was this a troll attempt or is there some logic behind consuming GEB for group benefit in vBC? They were definitely a regular team, since they all took turns trying to make me take it. Never happened before in the dozens of PuGs I've done dungeon runs in.

tldr = what is your HP at?

Feral

CASP3R421 wrote: »

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tldr = what is your HP at?

~21k

starkerealm

zaria wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Yes, its a bit weird, standard is either max magic and max health or health, magic and magic regen.

Exception is if you have lots of health, an tank build with lots of health is better off with magic + magic regen then not tanking.
Using stamina + stamina regen on my tanks.

How much health do you have with food? If you have much over 20K I understand them. 17-19K health is standard for DD or healers

I think my max health after the food buff is just under 21k.

They probably thought it was a bit high, however without max health food it would be below 16K who is low.
They would also not know how good your sustain is,

They might get value from Witchmother's Potent (Mag, Mag Rec, Health), but, yeah, 21k is a bit high, but more health is better than someone tanking the floor.

xXMeowMeowXx

*Gives the OP some GEB*

Sounds like some innocent fun....or ocd

starkerealm

Feral wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

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tldr = what is your HP at?

~21k

Probably ~22k if someone's running Ebon. But, I'm getting a bit jaded with that set. It's nice when it's there, but there are too many situations where someone wanders away from the tank, and it's not really enough of a health boost to be meaningful in PUGs.

CASP3R421

Feral wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

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tldr = what is your HP at?

~21k

the max magicka food they gave you would actually have put you at a more realistic hp level for that content and buffed the damage of your pets by a bunch

starkerealm

CASP3R421 wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

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tldr = what is your HP at?

~21k

the max magicka food they gave you would actually have put you at a more realistic hp level for that content and buffed the damage of your pets by a bunch

No, it would have reduced the damage of the pets. If we take @Feral at face value, they're running a fixed 150 blue food. That will have a Max Mag value higher than GEB. So, switching to GEB would reduce their max damage. At that point it becomes a question of sustain. If they had problems with sustain, then, yes, GEB (or WmPB) would be better choices, however, if they're using heavy attacks as part of their rotation, then GEB wouldn't benefit them. They might see an improvement from switching to a green 150 MaxMag food, but blue MaxMag/MaxHealth is reasonable.

CASP3R421

starkerealm wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

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tldr = what is your HP at?

~21k

the max magicka food they gave you would actually have put you at a more realistic hp level for that content and buffed the damage of your pets by a bunch

No, it would have reduced the damage of the pets. If we take @Feral at face value, they're running a fixed 150 blue food. That will have a Max Mag value higher than GEB. So, switching to GEB would reduce their max damage. At that point it becomes a question of sustain. If they had problems with sustain, then, yes, GEB (or WmPB) would be better choices, however, if they're using heavy attacks as part of their rotation, then GEB wouldn't benefit them. They might see an improvement from switching to a green 150 MaxMag food, but blue MaxMag/MaxHealth is reasonable.

i missed what food they said they were running. what was it?

kringled_1

OP said in second post, blue max magicka and health. As long as sustain is ok, it should be a reasonable choice.

dem0n1k

Perhaps they just found the eyeballs to be delicious! You don't know!

Grandma

definitely a group of 3 people in a voicechat that were high on group energy trying to see if they could convince a rando to eat this food because it would just be the funniest thing ever to them.

CASP3R421

in my experience if you are doing your job in dungeons groups will rarely stop and try to get you to change anything =P

CassandraGemini

You know, if they really had just wanted to give OP the GEB because they thought it would make for a better hp/mag ratio, why wouldn't they have just said so? Like: "Hey, we've noticed your hp are a bit high, are you running the right food? Here's some GEB, in case you don't have anything suitable".

The way OP told it, though, they did nothing of the sort, which makes this sound much more like trolling to me.

starkerealm

Grandma wrote: »

definitely a group of 3 people in a voicechat that were high on group energy trying to see if they could convince a rando to eat this food because it would just be the funniest thing ever to them.

Yeah, this seems most likely.

Feral

Grandma wrote: »

definitely a group of 3 people in a voicechat that were high on group energy trying to see if they could convince a rando to eat this food because it would just be the funniest thing ever to them.

Yep

CassandraGemini wrote: »

You know, if they really had just wanted to give OP the GEB because they thought it would make for a better hp/mag ratio, why wouldn't they have just said so? Like: "Hey, we've noticed your hp are a bit high, are you running the right food? Here's some GEB, in case you don't have anything suitable".

The way OP told it, though, they did nothing of the sort, which makes this sound much more like trolling to me.

They kept insisting I take some even AFTER we killed the last boss (lava queen). Then one of them literally started sobbing while the other tried to trade with me the whole 30 secs or so it took for the game to port me out after I'd opted to leave the group lol

I only posted this thread to make sure I hadn't missed some connection / mechanic that was specific to that dungeon that had something to do with GEB. Now after all the replies I'm sure it was just a massive trolling effort.

I'm not mad, just amused haha. Things like these are fine since I didn't get disrespected or ripped off or treated unfairly

Feral

starkerealm wrote: »

No, it would have reduced the damage of the pets. If we take @Feral at face value, they're running a fixed 150 blue food. That will have a Max Mag value higher than GEB. So, switching to GEB would reduce their max damage. At that point it becomes a question of sustain. If they had problems with sustain, then, yes, GEB (or WmPB) would be better choices, however, if they're using heavy attacks as part of their rotation, then GEB wouldn't benefit them. They might see an improvement from switching to a green 150 MaxMag food, but blue MaxMag/MaxHealth is reasonable.

You're right. I use heavy attacks as part of my rotation for sustain and switching to GEB would've lowered my max magicka by a few thousand points, which wasn't worth losing for an extra 250 regen. The poster you're replying to hasn't read any of the posts in this thread and keeps asking questions & raising points that have been answered / addressed multiple times.

It would be one thing if I asked them for food or recommendations, but they just piled up on me the whole time. Most probably a bet / inside joke on making the random 4th person in the group eat or do something that they'd set as a challenge between the 3 of them.

doomette

Grandma wrote: »

definitely a group of 3 people in a voicechat that were high on group energy trying to see if they could convince a rando to eat this food because it would just be the funniest thing ever to them.

“Group energy”

Suddwrath

Odd.

The only time I have ever insisted that a player eat food (that I would even provide) was during a vICP HM run where the healer had around 13k health who REFUSED to eat any food I mailed to them. The poor guy couldn't stay alive during the final boss fight since he would die anytime Lord Warden sneezed in his direction, so we just gave up on rezzing him after the 20th time during the fight.

So as long as you had enough health to stay alive and enough magicka/magicka recovery to provide decent dps, there's really no reason for them to continue insisting that you use a specific food.

Sylvermynx

doomette wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

definitely a group of 3 people in a voicechat that were high on group energy trying to see if they could convince a rando to eat this food because it would just be the funniest thing ever to them.

“Group energy”

*snerk*

Yeah. Or something....

zaria

Alpheu5 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Yes, its a bit weird, standard is either max magic and max health or health, magic and magic regen.

Exception is if you have lots of health, an tank build with lots of health is better off with magic + magic regen then not tanking.
Using stamina + stamina regen on my tanks.

How much health do you have with food? If you have much over 20K I understand them. 17-19K health is standard for DD or healers

I think my max health after the food buff is just under 21k.

They probably thought it was a bit high, however without max health food it would be below 16K who is low.
They would also not know how good your sustain is,

With Minor Toughness from Warden heals and someone wearing Ebon it'd bump the health up to a respectable amount. If you're good at avoiding damage and have a good healer just in case, you can definitely get away with running Ghastly Eye. Of course you'll swap to Witchmother's/Parmesan Pork during fights where it's possible to get hit for ~16k in a short span of time.

Yes you can, also racial, if you are imperial or even Nord or Khajit, many sets also add health.
This has the benefit that you can switch to health and magic or stamina food if needed.
Relying on ebon in pugs is an mistake, now the sad fact is that its probably fake tanks running around with ebon.

starkerealm

zaria wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Yes, its a bit weird, standard is either max magic and max health or health, magic and magic regen.

Exception is if you have lots of health, an tank build with lots of health is better off with magic + magic regen then not tanking.
Using stamina + stamina regen on my tanks.

How much health do you have with food? If you have much over 20K I understand them. 17-19K health is standard for DD or healers

I think my max health after the food buff is just under 21k.

They probably thought it was a bit high, however without max health food it would be below 16K who is low.
They would also not know how good your sustain is,

With Minor Toughness from Warden heals and someone wearing Ebon it'd bump the health up to a respectable amount. If you're good at avoiding damage and have a good healer just in case, you can definitely get away with running Ghastly Eye. Of course you'll swap to Witchmother's/Parmesan Pork during fights where it's possible to get hit for ~16k in a short span of time.

Yes you can, also racial, if you are imperial or even Nord or Khajit, many sets also add health.
This has the benefit that you can switch to health and magic or stamina food if needed.
Relying on ebon in pugs is an mistake, now the sad fact is that its probably fake tanks running around with ebon.

Or you could just dump points in health. That's an option too. However, you will always be at a raw stat advantage from running a blue, fixed level, food over a scaling event recipe food. The only time this becomes an issue is if you're having recovery problems. However, again, there are ways to deal with that.