Shy, lazy, bored or a combination of all ?

Tigerseye

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

Edziu

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

so, I never run normal dung on my already done char, so when I go to dung it is vet so I expect someone especially with higher cp just to be able to do his role, as I wrote, I have no problem with tanks or healers with 160cp even on dlc dungs if those are not these newest, enough is when tank jsut know how to tank is and healer is healing, these are roles about which I dont care much if I get grouped because we need just basics on them to be able to run dung, even fake heals with good dd is very welcome for me
I can also understand low cp dd on basic vet dungs, but I will never accept "fake dd" with high cp which is doing literally no dps, I can understand not knowing mechanics whne he is 1st time somwhere but I except him to do his dps part and especially I wont accept if this dd will not responds to me or will stay hardly like donkey with his non-effective build when I try to explein something

I feel nothin to players lvling their alts, doing more gold than me etc, I dont care, they do what they want ok, but as I have wrote I have no responsibility to carry their ass if they are specially weak on harder content where there is not even mechanics thing but it is around them as they cant handle their role part in team

nothing special and pretty offtopic here ;P

and again I will repeat this, as how so much this community defend noobs then to not be so toxic I just leave group if I see how someone cant handle his part in dung, I have no willings for *** storm on chat so I jsut say them how is situation and I say them to kick or me or this noob if we are doing harder content, I dont care, I just dont wanna and so I dont have responsibility to carry him so rest is on group what they will chose to do

Kaartinen

If I'm just running Pugs, then I am likely listening to music or talking with someone. I would respond quickly via text at the least though.

If we're doing trials, I'll have my headset plugged in.

Tigerseye

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

so, I never run normal dung on my already done char, so when I go to dung it is vet so I expect someone especially with higher cp just to be able to do his role, as I wrote, I have no problem with tanks or healers with 160cp even on dlc dungs if those are not these newest, enough is when tank jsut know how to tank is and healer is healing, these are roles about which I dont care much if I get grouped because we need just basics on them to be able to run dung, even fake heals with good dd is very welcome for me
I can also understand low cp dd on basic vet dungs, but I will never accept "fake dd" with high cp which is doing literally no dps, I can understand not knowing mechanics whne he is 1st time somwhere but I except him to do his dps part and especially I wont accept if this dd will not responds to me or will stay hardly like donkey with his non-effective build when I try to explein something

I feel nothin to players lvling their alts, doing more gold than me etc, I dont care, they do what they want ok, but as I have wrote I have no responsibility to carry their ass if they are specially weak on harder content where there is not even mechanics thing but it is around them as they cant handle their role part in team

nothing special and pretty offtopic here ;P

and again I will repeat this, as how so much this community defend noobs then to not be so toxic I just leave group if I see how someone cant handle his part in dung, I have no willings for *** storm on chat so I jsut say them how is situation and I say them to kick or me or this noob if we are doing harder content, I dont care, I just dont wanna and so I dont have responsibility to carry him so rest is on group what they will chose to do

Just make your own groups and stay out of pugs.

Better for them, better for you.

LadyNalcarya

What does it have to do with noobs in pugs? I dislike fake dds as much as the next "elitist", but its not like saying hi puts a permanent 70% damage reduction on your char.

xxthir13enxx

https://youtu.be/K3CHi_9sxj0

Tsar_Gekkou

Usually you'll never see them again so people generally don't extend the effort to chat with people they'll only be with for a few minutes. If a dungeon is taking a while, people are more likely to talk, but if it's going well and quick, it'll usually be silent with maybe a "gg" at the end.

Tigerseye

Skorro wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

If you're on EU the peeps may just not speak English, sometimes they also run with chat closed.

Am sure it's nothing personal

I disagree. Many (though not all) people are just entitled and rude, and believe that group content - especially through group finder - is a way to find other people to do their bidding. Often people who have never responded to greetings, advice or requests in a group dungeon run will go on an absolute rant in perfect Queen's English if something doesn't go according to their plan.

I always greet at the start of a group run. It's basic civility. If you enrolled in a group activity IRL you would be considered rude not to greet your team mates, even if you're not going to see them again after it. Just because it's a game doesn't mean there aren't real people behind the screen on the other side.

Luckily I've never had those kinds of tools in my groups. I do agree it's good manners to greet though.

Best I had was a guy run ahead of us and drag a massive mob to the boss - tank used /sitchair, watched him die and we all bagged him.

He left group pretty silently xD

What if he was new and didn't know what he was doing?

Or she, obviously.

They were mid 300s, but could've been their first time, true.

Thing is I'm also playing to chill so if the lad/lady wants to charge ahead without a word and being new to dungeons - that's on them. I won't (edit to add: usually) be a [snip] to peeps if I can help it, but I'm also not a babysitter.

[Edited for profanity bypass]

No, but if you didn't know for sure they were trolling you, bagging them was pretty unfriendly, to say the least.

That experience might put them off doing another dungeon for life.

vamp_emily

Never talk to strangers.

If a stranger says "hi..." and you reply then their next comment will be, "Are you a crafter? I need some gear".

lpw

Sometimes if people don't say anything I just accept that they know what they're doing. However, if someone does say hi or speak at the start of a dungeon I always make a point of saying hi.

If people don't talk that's their problem.. Don't let it bother you

Vuylstekeara

Player 1: "Hi!"
Player 2: "Hi!"
Player 3: "Hi!"
Player 4: "You guys talk too much."

MEBengalsFan2001

Saltisol wrote: »

When entering a dungeon, bg or any other small scale grp thing I say something like "heya" or "hello" because I think it's a good way to start. Sometimes you get a reply from one or two but in many cases it's nothing, not a Word.

So what is your reason for not greeting your fellow players ?

Do you use text or voice chat? On PS4 many players are in private group chats so rarely do PS4 players actually talk in the voice chat. As for text chat, I usually say Hi at the beginning and GG TY all at the end.

Veinblood1965

If on PS4 it's just a pain in the you know what to message with that basic interface. I've got a micro keyboard and it's still just a pain. When I play other games on PC I'm all about the interaction, it's sadly missing on PS4 and ESO. But I do try and reply if someone else says hello but I don't initiate like I do on PC.

CassandraGemini

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

I always drop the greeting from the shortcuts. But i know a friend who hates it especially in BGs because she says that friendly players are always the worst

Interestingly my experience has been exactly the other way around, although I can't speak for any sort of PvP environment. In dungeons, though, usually the people that don't bother responding to greetings (and I always greet at the beginning of a dungeon, I think it's just basic manners) are also the ones who like to rush ahead without a hint of concern for the rest of the group, skip bosses without asking first, but also then ask if someone found gear they need at the end.

Whenever I have a PUG where everyone returns the greetings, I can pretty much be sure it will be a nice run, where you can, for example, take the time to point the others to treasure chests or heavy sacks they might have missed and actually get a "Thank you!" in return. It's those dungeon runs that I always enjoy the most, because no matter how often I might have done the dungeons by now, I still don't like the mindless rushing. Probably never will.

ApostateHobo

Is this mainly a pc thing? On ps4 I rarely see anyone say anything in text chat other than an occasional gg at the end of a dungeon, or somebody asking for specific set pieces. Occasionally you get people that actually communicate in bgs, though those are pretty rare. Sometimes people are in voice chat, but I keep that muted because 99% of the time it's just people's crappy music and them talking to someone in the room with them.

essi2

Ragnork wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Hej, Equally the ‘Jeg forventer, at du forstår engelsk’ attitude is the last resort of the petty minded.

tror dette.

I will always try to respond, however I am a little slow across the keyboard; so from me "Hello" - "yes I will wait whilst you do the quest" - "yes I can swap" or "no I am saving that one, sorry" - might be as much as I can manage amongst the panic induced rotation that I am trying to engage....

Engelsk er det eneste språket alle som spiller ESO har til felles. Og det gjelder faktisk di fleste som ikke hadde Engelsk på skolen også.


I've had my fair share of group members who say nothing, then rant at me in Cyrillic, I presume Russian. And when I don't understand swear at me in English.

Also while we're on the subject, what's the deal with randomly whispering people in Cyrillic!?

SidraWillowsky

I just assume they're incapable of human decency.

If you're put in a group project for a class and you're with three people you don't know, when they say hi do you just continue to sit in the corner like



?

Probably not. I understand that ESO isn't a class project, but seriously, why is it so hard to type two letters?

Edziu

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

so, I never run normal dung on my already done char, so when I go to dung it is vet so I expect someone especially with higher cp just to be able to do his role, as I wrote, I have no problem with tanks or healers with 160cp even on dlc dungs if those are not these newest, enough is when tank jsut know how to tank is and healer is healing, these are roles about which I dont care much if I get grouped because we need just basics on them to be able to run dung, even fake heals with good dd is very welcome for me
I can also understand low cp dd on basic vet dungs, but I will never accept "fake dd" with high cp which is doing literally no dps, I can understand not knowing mechanics whne he is 1st time somwhere but I except him to do his dps part and especially I wont accept if this dd will not responds to me or will stay hardly like donkey with his non-effective build when I try to explein something

I feel nothin to players lvling their alts, doing more gold than me etc, I dont care, they do what they want ok, but as I have wrote I have no responsibility to carry their ass if they are specially weak on harder content where there is not even mechanics thing but it is around them as they cant handle their role part in team

nothing special and pretty offtopic here ;P

and again I will repeat this, as how so much this community defend noobs then to not be so toxic I just leave group if I see how someone cant handle his part in dung, I have no willings for *** storm on chat so I jsut say them how is situation and I say them to kick or me or this noob if we are doing harder content, I dont care, I just dont wanna and so I dont have responsibility to carry him so rest is on group what they will chose to do

Just make your own groups and stay out of pugs.

Better for them, better for you.

and once again I will write what I have read in same thread before because someone didnt read other comments

as I have no longer guild for vet content, not so much friends also as most of them quitted this game I mostly un with randoms these dungs and so to not be such toxic when I see someone in group who I dont want to have then I just leave this group and Im waiting for another one
or if it is dlc dung which I want more to do then I just state what is going on with group, with dps and then I write to kick me to not get penalty for leaving or kick this to low dps, as I dont care much if they will just kick me, group have to chose

try call me now toxic or to elitist if we want to run vet content and I dont impose rest of group what to do for just stating what is state in the group

Kiralyn2000

This isn't an ESO thing. I remember "why doesn't anyone talk in dungeon runs" threads 10+ years ago on the WoW forums.

(The consensus was that "we're just here to slam out this run as quickly as possible, shut up and get moving". /eyeroll)


So, yeah. Standard online game/MMO thing. /shrug

Edziu

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

I just assume they're incapable of human decency.

If you're put in a group project for a class and you're with three people you don't know, when they say hi do you just continue to sit in the corner like



?

Probably not. I understand that ESO isn't a class project, but seriously, why is it so hard to type two letters?

many just dont care as I was writing :P this is nothing to them, jsut another random people with who they will never again be grouped at all xD but if thery are one of those with who you would become friends then it will be showed through dung, no need any greetings at start when people dont care, when they want to run dung asap

theyancey

I do not look at chat ever. I am not in this game for your enjoyment. I play for mine.

Tigerseye

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

so, I never run normal dung on my already done char, so when I go to dung it is vet so I expect someone especially with higher cp just to be able to do his role, as I wrote, I have no problem with tanks or healers with 160cp even on dlc dungs if those are not these newest, enough is when tank jsut know how to tank is and healer is healing, these are roles about which I dont care much if I get grouped because we need just basics on them to be able to run dung, even fake heals with good dd is very welcome for me
I can also understand low cp dd on basic vet dungs, but I will never accept "fake dd" with high cp which is doing literally no dps, I can understand not knowing mechanics whne he is 1st time somwhere but I except him to do his dps part and especially I wont accept if this dd will not responds to me or will stay hardly like donkey with his non-effective build when I try to explein something

I feel nothin to players lvling their alts, doing more gold than me etc, I dont care, they do what they want ok, but as I have wrote I have no responsibility to carry their ass if they are specially weak on harder content where there is not even mechanics thing but it is around them as they cant handle their role part in team

nothing special and pretty offtopic here ;P

and again I will repeat this, as how so much this community defend noobs then to not be so toxic I just leave group if I see how someone cant handle his part in dung, I have no willings for *** storm on chat so I jsut say them how is situation and I say them to kick or me or this noob if we are doing harder content, I dont care, I just dont wanna and so I dont have responsibility to carry him so rest is on group what they will chose to do

Just make your own groups and stay out of pugs.

Better for them, better for you.

and once again I will write what I have read in same thread before because someone didnt read other comments

as I have no longer guild for vet content, not so much friends also as most of them quitted this game I mostly un with randoms these dungs and so to not be such toxic when I see someone in group who I dont want to have then I just leave this group and Im waiting for another one
or if it is dlc dung which I want more to do then I just state what is going on with group, with dps and then I write to kick me to not get penalty for leaving or kick this to low dps, as I dont care much if they will just kick me, group have to chose

try call me now toxic or to elitist if we want to run vet content and I dont impose rest of group what to do for just stating what is state in the group

I didn't call you either, to be fair.

Maybe you should try to make new friends?

xxthir13enxx

Maybe...they are just worried you might alert the Npc’s to your approach...

General_Zeranth

Honestly I used to greet folks and say hi, or thanks for the run at the end but after so many years with no responses I stopped doing it. I don't feel I'm being rude to my fellow players by not saying hi, or bye.
Yes they are people behind the screens but most of the time Xbox Players don't want to talk, they want to do the dungeon/group content and get out. So I just follow suit these days.

Edziu

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

That is just sad and elitist, I'm pretty sure you've been one of the inexperienced ones but now when you feel high and mighty it's all about you lol

daemonios wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

from my experience with randoms in dung

if noone say any greeting there is much higher chance group is more exp to be able done well this dung
if someone start dung with greeting then I start thinking if go further with group or leave xD

This is some elitist, entitled pile of bovine dung. Not to mention probably suffering from confirmation bias, where you recall those instances that support your own position and forget those that don't.

some elitist? probably after long time playing here and getting bored by carring noob dps (got no problem with tank and heal if they atleast do their job at minimum, but got bored of doing dung whiel doing 70% of group dps, I after playing this game with some breaks since beta...I just get to lazy to carry dps so thats why and btw..it is better now for me to leave group on start or start chatting on group to kick this low dd?)

and lol @Saltisol, the only time I was inexperienced it was when I was beggining this game like everyone else so....and as I wrote...burned out of carring fake dps after years of playing it, this is not my responsibility to carry every dps I meet

and as I wrote...greeting on start dung and how team will be doing after it in dung...was just mine lucky or unlucky experience at who I was getting with it xD

Look, I understand how you feel, to an extent, because there are people who have been playing the game for years and yet, they only ever seem to level new chars.

There have been people, on here, who say they don't enjoy playing max level chars, so they just level new chars endlessly and then there are other people, who level multiple chars, just so they can make millions of gold via doing writs on all of them, every day.

I don't do that many dungeons and I don't mind carrying people, sometimes, when I do.

However, I have to admit that it is, on occasion, somewhat galling to me, while doing (for example) dragons, when I realise that I am probably carrying well established players, on all their low level chars; even though I know some of them are making way more gold (via writs) than I am.

This seems a little unfair, to me - especially as, in most games, the player who plays their high level char earns far more than the player who levels endless alts.

In fact, in most games, you have to (or it is easier to) use some of the wealth earned by your main to help finance your alts (at least at first).

However, that doesn't mean it is OK to blame new players for not being that great at the game, yet, or for being low level.

When you choose to play a game like this, especially if you do openworld content, or join groups with random people, you basically accept that they may be new and/or low level.

If you don't like that, you should make your own groups, with your own specified requirements.

...and if you want more established players to play their mains, rather than levelling endless alts all day, why not petition ZOS to ensure people who do so are paid at least as much as the endless alt levellers.

so, I never run normal dung on my already done char, so when I go to dung it is vet so I expect someone especially with higher cp just to be able to do his role, as I wrote, I have no problem with tanks or healers with 160cp even on dlc dungs if those are not these newest, enough is when tank jsut know how to tank is and healer is healing, these are roles about which I dont care much if I get grouped because we need just basics on them to be able to run dung, even fake heals with good dd is very welcome for me
I can also understand low cp dd on basic vet dungs, but I will never accept "fake dd" with high cp which is doing literally no dps, I can understand not knowing mechanics whne he is 1st time somwhere but I except him to do his dps part and especially I wont accept if this dd will not responds to me or will stay hardly like donkey with his non-effective build when I try to explein something

I feel nothin to players lvling their alts, doing more gold than me etc, I dont care, they do what they want ok, but as I have wrote I have no responsibility to carry their ass if they are specially weak on harder content where there is not even mechanics thing but it is around them as they cant handle their role part in team

nothing special and pretty offtopic here ;P

and again I will repeat this, as how so much this community defend noobs then to not be so toxic I just leave group if I see how someone cant handle his part in dung, I have no willings for *** storm on chat so I jsut say them how is situation and I say them to kick or me or this noob if we are doing harder content, I dont care, I just dont wanna and so I dont have responsibility to carry him so rest is on group what they will chose to do

Just make your own groups and stay out of pugs.

Better for them, better for you.

and once again I will write what I have read in same thread before because someone didnt read other comments

as I have no longer guild for vet content, not so much friends also as most of them quitted this game I mostly un with randoms these dungs and so to not be such toxic when I see someone in group who I dont want to have then I just leave this group and Im waiting for another one
or if it is dlc dung which I want more to do then I just state what is going on with group, with dps and then I write to kick me to not get penalty for leaving or kick this to low dps, as I dont care much if they will just kick me, group have to chose

try call me now toxic or to elitist if we want to run vet content and I dont impose rest of group what to do for just stating what is state in the group

I didn't call you either, to be fair.

Maybe you should try to make new friends?

I know you didnt but many times conversations going like this way way fast evolving to calling other like that, so just for sure I have wrote this

and nope, no need at all as Im to "chaotic" what I want to do, some peopel already like hardcore PVE for whcih I have no time to do only this, some are to weak for this and some are jsut burned out to come back for this not the newest content

and as I was writing when I have problem with randoms...then mainly I just leave this group to not make unecessary *** storm at them

and tbh I still have some decent friends adden from pug runs but it is rarely to get them willing to run just at this time which I want to run this specific dung/content - thats what I was meaning about my "chaotic" willing what I will be doing right now or later xD

Varana

Tigerseye wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

They were mid 300s, but could've been their first time, true.

Thing is I'm also playing to chill so if the lad/lady wants to charge ahead without a word and being new to dungeons - that's on them. I won't (edit to add: usually) be a d!ck to peeps if I can help it, but I'm also not a babysitter.

No, but if you didn't know for sure they were trolling you, bagging them was pretty unfriendly, to say the least.

That experience might put them off doing another dungeon for life.

To be honest - with 300 CP, I feel pretty safe in assuming that they will have found out about what a "tank" is, even if they never did a dungeon before. (I also started with dungeons only when I was in my mid-200s.) If they're new to dungeoneering, I would find it rather surprising for them to just run into the first group of trash and "pull them to the boss". That's not a rookie mistake.

theyancey wrote: »

I do not look at chat ever. I am not in this game for your enjoyment. I play for mine.

Neither am I in the game for yours, then. Please refrain from playing with others.

ZOS_Volpe

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must remind everyone that all should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to take a few moments to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,

Tsar_Gekkou

vamp_emily wrote: »

Never talk to strangers.

If a stranger says "hi..." and you reply then their next comment will be, "Are you a crafter? I need some gear".

This is why I don't wear the Grand Master Crafter title anymore. I'd always get whispers from randoms telling (not asking) me in bad english to make them some gear.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

Don't talk to strangers kids! If a stranger greets you during a bg, just scream and run!

Salvas_Aren

Im mostly fine with greeting and not greeting.

I just consider it basic manners that you greet before making demands, like quest needed or parts needed.