How about a native vulkan ESO?

Lady_Linux
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please please oh please and please some more @ZOS_GinaBruno may we please have a native vulkan eso please please and please some more?
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  • Pyvos
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    As far as I am aware, Hero Engine (which is what Elder Scrolls Online utilizes) does not support Vulkan, it strictly supports DirectX and requires the DirectX SDK as part of its development toolchain. It's not just as easy as having a "native vulkan eso".

    Your best bet for running it under Linux is using the standalone w/ DXVK version via Lutris, which will convert DirectX calls to Vulkan and enable you to play it as natively as is actually feasible. I've tested it in the past and get fairly similar performance to running it natively, bare in mind this was last April and performance is always subject to change on a patch-by-patch basis, not to mention depending on the DXVK version utilized.
    Edited by Pyvos on January 24, 2020 1:00AM
  • doomette
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    Pyvos wrote: »
    As far as I am aware, Hero Engine (which is what Elder Scrolls Online utilizes) does not support Vulkan, it strictly supports DirectX and requires the DirectX SDK as part of its development toolchain. It's not just as easy as having a "native vulkan eso".

    Your best bet for running it under Linux is using the standalone w/ DXVK version via Lutris, which will convert DirectX calls to Vulkan and enable you to play it as natively as is actually feasible. I've tested it in the past and get fairly similar performance to running it natively, bare in mind this was last April and performance is always subject to change on a patch-by-patch basis, not to mention depending on the DXVK version utilized.

    Ooooooooooh. I was so confused...
  • Lady_Linux
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    i use steam and steam play and dxvk and have been playing eso that way for 2 + years.... Still hoping one day it could happen..
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  • idk
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    please please oh please and please some more @ZOS_GinaBruno may we please have a native vulkan eso please please and please some more?

    Normally I would say something mildly snarky and then reply. This time I am going to just reply.

    Vulkan cannot be retrofit. It must be used from step one. Vulkan has very few tools and the API itself really doesn't hold your hand much. This means it can be extremely powerful if you have the talent, time, and money to use it. You will need more of all three compared to a DirectX project of the same size.

    No one in their right mind(as a programmer) would ever remotely consider retrofitting a piece of software as old and as large as ESO with Vulkan. You might as well light yourself on fire because it would be an endless hell you would never escape from.

    Pretty much this. Not a small task and pretty much something Zos is not going to consider unless they totally rewrite the game.

    Basically, not going to happen. If it ever does it will be years from now before Zos would consider reworking the entire game like that.
    Really, idk
  • Lady_Linux
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    please please oh please and please some more @ZOS_GinaBruno may we please have a native vulkan eso please please and please some more?

    Normally I would say something mildly snarky and then reply. This time I am going to just reply.

    Vulkan cannot be retrofit. It must be used from step one. Vulkan has very few tools and the API itself really doesn't hold your hand much. This means it can be extremely powerful if you have the talent, time, and money to use it. You will need more of all three compared to a DirectX project of the same size.

    No one in their right mind(as a programmer) would ever remotely consider retrofitting a piece of software as old and as large as ESO with Vulkan. You might as well light yourself on fire because it would be an endless hell you would never escape from.

    so programmers are naturally in their right minds? i thought they would be in their left minds???
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  • nafensoriel
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    please please oh please and please some more @ZOS_GinaBruno may we please have a native vulkan eso please please and please some more?

    Normally I would say something mildly snarky and then reply. This time I am going to just reply.

    Vulkan cannot be retrofit. It must be used from step one. Vulkan has very few tools and the API itself really doesn't hold your hand much. This means it can be extremely powerful if you have the talent, time, and money to use it. You will need more of all three compared to a DirectX project of the same size.

    No one in their right mind(as a programmer) would ever remotely consider retrofitting a piece of software as old and as large as ESO with Vulkan. You might as well light yourself on fire because it would be an endless hell you would never escape from.

    so programmers are naturally in their right minds? i thought they would be in their left minds???

    Left minded programmers become android/ios app developers and live in the cloud.
  • jcm2606
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    please please oh please and please some more @ZOS_GinaBruno may we please have a native vulkan eso please please and please some more?

    Normally I would say something mildly snarky and then reply. This time I am going to just reply.

    Vulkan cannot be retrofit. It must be used from step one. Vulkan has very few tools and the API itself really doesn't hold your hand much. This means it can be extremely powerful if you have the talent, time, and money to use it. You will need more of all three compared to a DirectX project of the same size.

    No one in their right mind(as a programmer) would ever remotely consider retrofitting a piece of software as old and as large as ESO with Vulkan. You might as well light yourself on fire because it would be an endless hell you would never escape from.

    A friend of mine is writing a custom Vulkan renderer for Minecraft, and he can confirm how it can drive one insane. Literally nothing except the bare essentials to interact with the graphics device is natively available with Vulkan, you have to implement all that yourself.
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    Edited by Everstorm on January 24, 2020 10:41AM
  • Mupo
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    I went from using the Steam for my main account, had to buy the stand alone launcher for $7-$10 and it's saved my sanity especially after switching to Linux [Somehow I broke windows, for some setups is not hard, Sorry Windows!] and since have been playing using Lutris with some settings tweaked, I even have PTS working with same settings! :smiley:

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    Hope that helps :)

    Edit: reason I'm using 1.5 and not 1.5.1 is my ground was black with 1.5.1
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    Edited by Mupo on January 24, 2020 10:58AM
  • richo262
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    Mupo wrote: »
    I went from using the Steam for my main account, had to buy the stand alone launcher for $7-$10 and it's saved my sanity especially after switching to Linux [Somehow I broke windows, for some setups is not hard, Sorry Windows!] and since have been playing using Lutris with some settings tweaked, I even have PTS working with same settings! :smiley:

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    Hope that helps :)

    Edit: reason I'm using 1.5 and not 1.5.1 is my ground was black with 1.5.1
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    I've had better luck with Steam Proton than Lutris.

    You can add Standalone version to Steam via the non-steam apps. Then check the Steamplay setting. You'll end up with the ESO on Steam and the Non-Steam version also on steam. Just rename it to The Elderscrolls Online Alt Account.

    Unless of course you bought a stand-alone version because Steam was giving you the sh*ts.
  • Chaos2088
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    I came here for Spock jokes!! -nose huff-
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  • Pyvos
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    That article is clearly not accurate at this stage of development and predates the launch of ESO. Elder Scrolls: Online is literally listed as a client of Hero Engine.
    Edited by Pyvos on January 24, 2020 12:04PM
  • Mupo
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    Aye, steam was giving me the *** [for Windows it literally blue screened me only for ESO]

    BUT You can use Proton from Lutris if you already have that :smiley:
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