Remove premades from trials

Ryath_Waylander

Try not to be too naive please. I pug dungeons with my healer. At least 30 to 40% of the time, I find myself doing at least 38-40% of the damage this can be slow and a bit upsetting if I am only doing 18k damage! I do my best to carry as I want to finish and everybody has to learn at some point. If it's a dungeon with a DPS check, I'll end up leaving after the tank (if it's a real one) gets bored/rage quits. This scenario will be 3 times the disaster in trials. Even easy ones will be a nightmare of herding cats. You could get nHRC done but not much else.

ForzaRammer

Gravord wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Too bad op you don't want to play on even field?
The issue with premade bg is your opponent is often not premade, that create unfairness.
This issue clearly don't apply to pve, who care about how 'environment' cares.

Too bad baddies are too lazy to organize groups themselves and rather demand others be forbidden to do so.

Oh no one demanded that, the demand was separate the ques. Premade go play against premade.

zaria

kargen27 wrote: »

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yRaven

I loved the cry, thank you

Jaimeh

That's driving an argument to absurdity (and also the stuff of nightmares). ZOS should find a work-around, so that solo queueing players should be matched with other solo players in BGs, and premade groups with other groups. Waiting times would probably be bad, but at least both sides would be happy.

yodased

Ysbriel wrote: »

Yes ZOS please remove the social, friendship team building aspect of the game because people just can’t figure things out. If the premades get removed , the same names in the leaderboard will remain and those who complained about the premades will find something new to come here to cry about so ZOS can help them win.

This is the exact thing I was talking about. The players that are "crying" are not really concerned with anyone helping them "win", they just don't want to enter in a situation where they have no chance of even having fun.

It's not fun to have 4 coordinated players built to support each other come after a group of people that have never met each other before and are not on the same level as them.

Sure there is an argument that anyone can "get good" by putting 1,000 hours into learning the intricate and overlapping systems that give you an advantage, but this game is not built to for that. This game is built to cater to the casual gamer who can jump into a battle ground fora quick 15 minutes of fun and then go about their business.

If you are concerned with the leaderboards, you only care about winning. This puts you at odds for the entire ethos of the game and its developers stated purpose.

It's not those of lower "skill" and experience that have to shift their priorities and time spent as they are who is driving this vehicle.

JanTanhide

Too funny. How do you think they ever made it to the Leaderboards to start with?

If you think making top dog scores is easy you are incorrect. It takes a lot of time, sometimes months of hard work with a dedicated group of friends/guildies to complete Trials in Vet and especially in Hard mode. (yes, some Vet Trials are easy, I know, but the newer ones...whew....pretty tough).

Besides that there is no such thing as a "premade" for trials. Since there is no group function for Trials there is no "premade" either.

jadarock

Terrible idea. People complain about who they get matched with in normal dungeons during events . Could you imagine the pain this would cause daily.

Lisutaris

Waited for this thread. Gj

As a craglorn pugger... I would love it. Let fate decide about my 4h+ vmol destiny.

ChunkyCat

Remove trials from premades.

See why I did there?!?

Shantu

Seems to me the issue could easily be solved by having separate queues for pre-mades and solos. Pre-mades play against other pre-mades and those who group via solo queue would play against others who did the same.

Solo queues for trials would be ok, but removing pre-made groups from trials is just silly. Won't ever happen. I've been running trials for 3+ years and never once looked at a leaderboard. Bur if your trial group is into it, go for it.

Agenericname

yodased wrote: »

Ysbriel wrote: »

Yes ZOS please remove the social, friendship team building aspect of the game because people just can’t figure things out. If the premades get removed , the same names in the leaderboard will remain and those who complained about the premades will find something new to come here to cry about so ZOS can help them win.

This is the exact thing I was talking about. The players that are "crying" are not really concerned with anyone helping them "win", they just don't want to enter in a situation where they have no chance of even having fun.

It's not fun to have 4 coordinated players built to support each other come after a group of people that have never met each other before and are not on the same level as them.

Sure there is an argument that anyone can "get good" by putting 1,000 hours into learning the intricate and overlapping systems that give you an advantage, but this game is not built to for that. This game is built to cater to the casual gamer who can jump into a battle ground fora quick 15 minutes of fun and then go about their business.

If you are concerned with the leaderboards, you only care about winning. This puts you at odds for the entire ethos of the game and its developers stated purpose.

It's not those of lower "skill" and experience that have to shift their priorities and time spent as they are who is driving this vehicle.

That's not always the case though. Numerous matches that I have participated in ended up in a decidedly one-side victory when none of the victors were in a group prior. This isn't going to stop that as much as it's going to spotlight the skill disparity.

If they wanted to keep this fair, and that's fine, they could make an MMR that works. They could also split the queue, or even add a function similar to WoW's arenas where they're meant for teams. This seems like a short-sighted solution, but I suppose we will see.

iCaliban

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Too bad op you don't want to play on even field?
The issue with premade bg is your opponent is often not premade, that create unfairness.
This issue clearly don't apply to pve, who care about how 'environment' cares.

Too bad baddies are too lazy to organize groups themselves and rather demand others be forbidden to do so.

Oh no one demanded that, the demand was separate the ques. Premade go play against premade.

Not possible due to population issues. And the actual rarity of premades. There is almost never more than 1 4 man group on at any given time. Quite often there are none.

Lucious90

I actually like the idea of ques for trials. wow did it for a while.

Could be a way of opening up content. Id just leave it at CP 160+ only

Danksta

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Too bad op you don't want to play on even field?
The issue with premade bg is your opponent is often not premade, that create unfairness.
This issue clearly don't apply to pve, who care about how 'environment' cares.

It actually is an even playing field since everyone has the opportunity to group for bgs, you're just gimping yourself by not doing so.

Also, environment lives matter.

ForzaRammer

iCaliban wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Too bad op you don't want to play on even field?
The issue with premade bg is your opponent is often not premade, that create unfairness.
This issue clearly don't apply to pve, who care about how 'environment' cares.

Too bad baddies are too lazy to organize groups themselves and rather demand others be forbidden to do so.

Oh no one demanded that, the demand was separate the ques. Premade go play against premade.

Not possible due to population issues. And the actual rarity of premades. There is almost never more than 1 4 man group on at any given time. Quite often there are none.

We will see about that

yodased

Agenericname wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Ysbriel wrote: »

Yes ZOS please remove the social, friendship team building aspect of the game because people just can’t figure things out. If the premades get removed , the same names in the leaderboard will remain and those who complained about the premades will find something new to come here to cry about so ZOS can help them win.

This is the exact thing I was talking about. The players that are "crying" are not really concerned with anyone helping them "win", they just don't want to enter in a situation where they have no chance of even having fun.

It's not fun to have 4 coordinated players built to support each other come after a group of people that have never met each other before and are not on the same level as them.

Sure there is an argument that anyone can "get good" by putting 1,000 hours into learning the intricate and overlapping systems that give you an advantage, but this game is not built to for that. This game is built to cater to the casual gamer who can jump into a battle ground fora quick 15 minutes of fun and then go about their business.

If you are concerned with the leaderboards, you only care about winning. This puts you at odds for the entire ethos of the game and its developers stated purpose.

It's not those of lower "skill" and experience that have to shift their priorities and time spent as they are who is driving this vehicle.

That's not always the case though. Numerous matches that I have participated in ended up in a decidedly one-side victory when none of the victors were in a group prior. This isn't going to stop that as much as it's going to spotlight the skill disparity.

If they wanted to keep this fair, and that's fine, they could make an MMR that works. They could also split the queue, or even add a function similar to WoW's arenas where they're meant for teams. This seems like a short-sighted solution, but I suppose we will see.

Of course there will be times when 4 great players get put on a team the point though is now you will have a higher probability of another great player being on the opposing team.

I have always since day 1 lobbied for team and solo queues but the population just doesnt support it.

Plus this game while originally being presented as PvP centric has morphed into an online rpg rather than a avava game

precambria

You want to play your favorite content with your friends? HAHA NO, btw guys there is virtually no premade groups those are just the BG regulars who actually know how to play as a team.

Premade trials OP you get to win all this good gear and play with your comrades but, think of how it is from the NPC Bots point of view because that is exactly what ZOS is doing with this change to BG's.

Salvas_Aren

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Too bad op you don't want to play on even field?
The issue with premade bg is your opponent is often not premade, that create unfairness.
This issue clearly don't apply to pve, who care about how 'environment' cares.

Too bad baddies are too lazy to organize groups themselves and rather demand others be forbidden to do so.

Oh no one demanded that, the demand was separate the ques. Premade go play against premade.

That statement in the trial talk. Epic.

yodased

precambria wrote: »

You want to play your favorite content with your friends? HAHA NO, btw guys there is virtually no premade groups those are just the BG regulars who actually know how to play as a team.

Premade trials OP you get to win all this good gear and play with your comrades but, think of how it is from the NPC Bots point of view because that is exactly what ZOS is doing with this change to BG's.

I don't understand this level of logic.

There are virtually no premade teams, so why be up in arms about them being removed. If you are all single queuing and just happen to get the perfect synergy of players built to work together why does it matter if they remove it.

Do you understand this? It makes little sense to be so upset about removing something that "virtually no one uses"

It's like complaining that your food was horrible after you've eaten the entire thing...

redlink1979

This again...... Trials added to group finder? Please no.

Or do you really need to play trials with random people, that might not even be true regarding their role or dps or mech knowledge or any other requirement? If you really need this kind of sh*t storm, go to Craglorn zone chat please.

MehrunesFlagon

Regardless of how you put it, it will effect you as well if it is done.Also would be death of progression groups.

Lucious90

yodased wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

You want to play your favorite content with your friends? HAHA NO, btw guys there is virtually no premade groups those are just the BG regulars who actually know how to play as a team.

Premade trials OP you get to win all this good gear and play with your comrades but, think of how it is from the NPC Bots point of view because that is exactly what ZOS is doing with this change to BG's.

I don't understand this level of logic.

There are virtually no premade teams, so why be up in arms about them being removed. If you are all single queuing and just happen to get the perfect synergy of players built to work together why does it matter if they remove it.

Do you understand this? It makes little sense to be so upset about removing something that "virtually no one uses"

It's like complaining that your food was horrible after you've eaten the entire thing...

Ive seen maybe 1 premade every 4-5 games. Ive also ran in premades and ran into another premade RIP other team haha.

This argument of "Oh you dont like an even playing field?!" is stupid and they dont understand the arugment at hand, why should I or anyone else be punished for actually working in a group in a grouped aspect of the game? Not my fault or responsibility if you refuse to group up with others, you have that opportunity every time you que for BGs.I think a better idea is to put the teams into group voice chats for consoles and PCs so the option is there.
also IF the population doesnt support 2 different types of ques then thats more of a reason to have the group ques with randoms, get your poop pushed in one match? Thats fine part of PvP learn to fight the next one. When I drop solo Ive adjusted my build to help deal with premades and pugs alike

ZOS_Volpe

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