Remove premades from trials

Gravord · January 2020

Stebarnz wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

I solo que and regularly get *** on by premade groups and I still can’t figure out why they would change it, if I cared about not getting destroyed I would form a group. Now it is just going to take me longer to get a solo que.

Why it take longer? I know a lot of people who will come back to bg's now the cheese is gone.

Plus each game has a higher chance of being fair so your wait time for a good game will be reduced.

And i know plenty who will stop playing entirely with fundamental option to form groups taken away from them.

EnemyOfDaState · January 2020

Stebarnz wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

I solo que and regularly get *** on by premade groups and I still can’t figure out why they would change it, if I cared about not getting destroyed I would form a group. Now it is just going to take me longer to get a solo que.

Why it take longer? I know a lot of people who will come back to bg's now the cheese is gone.

Plus each game has a higher chance of being fair so your wait time for a good game will be reduced.

Because like me those people are casuals and you can’t bank on casuals.

Stebarnz · January 2020

Gravord wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

I solo que and regularly get *** on by premade groups and I still can’t figure out why they would change it, if I cared about not getting destroyed I would form a group. Now it is just going to take me longer to get a solo que.

Why it take longer? I know a lot of people who will come back to bg's now the cheese is gone.

Plus each game has a higher chance of being fair so your wait time for a good game will be reduced.

And i know plenty who will stop playing entirely with fundamental option to form groups taken away from them.

Lets say same amount leave as comeback, so time to q is same but overall quality of bg games improve. Ill take that!

Gaggin · January 2020

The quality won't improve, you'll still complain because that's what sore losers do. I can't recall how many times I've ben /w "filthy premade scum' etc when i've SOLO queed. Sore losers will always find a reason to complain.

munchkinxx · January 2020

People who play group content, whether PvP or PVE should not be penalised because of players that don't want to put in the effort tbh.

Do what the good groups do, get good by putting in the effort. That includes when farming your gear.

Farming is an essential part of the game and is why such players complain they only get pug groups. That's because pug groups, vet or normal are players farming gear for their formed group play....

Without groups being able to farm gear and trade it, how would expect people to manage their gear?

Trial groups are designed a specific way requiring specific roles and with those roles, specific gear is required .

So, if I have a healer you want me to carry every set with proper traits and skills just in case the other healer is wearing the same thing but I would not know until I joined the group? Or if they even are a proper healer and not just someone that gave themselves that role....

What about players that are limited by language?

If you say yes, your lack of understanding what is required in trials makes your problem obvious and why you are demanding such a thing and if you say no, then the answer is the same....You cannot expect to put players through such a thing.

If you want actual achievements and completions, join a guild that has progression groups or do you want those penalised too for putting in months of hard work?

It will reduce guilds to chat forums and traders....

As a group of friends, we farm gear together, in PVE or PvP for each other so we can be a good group, giving each other support through builds and skills. If we need extra people, we pug it and teach others or just carry them through.

We discuss and inform each other on what is happening in the game, theory crafting together, exploring new and reworked content.

If they took away the ability for another player to use ele drain when using a target dummy ....then there would be tears.

We enjoy every aspect of it together.....as a group of people that met on a social game...

Stebarnz · January 2020

Gaggin wrote: »

The quality won't improve, you'll still complain because that's what sore losers do. I can't recall how many times I've ben /w "filthy premade scum' etc when i've SOLO queed. Sore losers will always find a reason to complain.

I don't mind losing when ive been outplayed as that's the only way to learn, but having literally no chance as a solo q vs a fully built premade who camp the spawn is weird, but if you support this gameplay and really like cheese that's on you.

Anyway lets q for the solo bg's and see what happens, or don't, its not like it will matter.

yodased · January 2020

I think there is a conflation of two issues here.

The problem here is you are putting people up who consider winning the only way to have fun against people who feel that playing the game itself is fun. No one WANTS to lose for sure, but there are varying levels of competitiveness especially in this game.

When you only care about winning you are going to build the absolute best team you can and if that means you get to fight people who have no idea what they are doing, thats fine, but it also means if you fight equal matches thats fine too.

This is the chasm between each style of play.

Either play to win or play to play and putting those together are going to cause a lot of hurt feelings for those who are not playing to win.

Type A competitive people will of course not understand why anyone would play anything if not to win at it and type B less competitive people will not understand why anyone would want to win at any cost.

The problem for type A in this situation is they are massively outnumbered by type B. The game has to boil itself down to the least common denominator, so they remove the type A grouping to better suit the type B playstyle.

This way with random queues if the type A decides to play they will be among the type B effectively evening out the battles. The thing is, if you are playing to only win and thats how you define fun, this game really isn't built for that. It's built for the casual person to log in, jump into a battleground and then go make dinner.

The 1,000 hour grinder who needs to be the best probably would be better suited in a pvp game that has a quality MMR and a lobby, unless that person takes pleasure in winning against any player especially if they are lower skilled because its easier and a win is a win.

There have been too many instances of people saying "I just want good fights" and "I just want to play with my friends" that is translated into "I need to win at any costs" in this game for the Type B to take that seriously unfortunately.

Salvas_Aren · January 2020

Yeah, give us 12 man queues, give us 12 man votekicks. Make a dumb childhood dream come true.

Gaggin · January 2020

With solo queues no guilds can play with and against each other, that's the point.

Stebarnz · January 2020

Gaggin wrote: »

With solo queues no guilds can play with and against each other, that's the point.

Lets see what happens when a big group all q together.

Salvas_Aren · January 2020

Gaggin wrote: »

With solo queues no guilds can play with and against each other, that's the point.

They will refuse to carry you anyway. If Zeni ever did this, and if I ever met you, I would refuse to carry you, even if the penalty were one week.

mayasunrising · January 2020

I disagree with the OP. lots.

But I do think having a trials queue for solo players would be a good idea.

Gaggin · January 2020

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Gaggin wrote: »

With solo queues no guilds can play with and against each other, that's the point.

They will refuse to carry you anyway. If Zeni ever did this, and if I ever met you, I would refuse to carry you, even if the penalty were one week.

Huh? what are you talking about?

max_only · January 2020

Lol, op is taking rpg pvp seriously. This isn’t a competitive pvp game in the least. If it was they’d have made lobbies, game supported comms, mid mission balance shuffle, and other things REAL pk games do.
Please get over it. Zos doesn’t want to put in effort to do any of those things so they did the easiest thing that will satisfy their core audience: remove premades.
Premades in gold gear who regularly delete characters so they can remain in under 50s to troll new customers is bad for the game. It doesn’t make financial sense to provide 100 people with a personal staff measuring arena and alienate thousands.

They should have separated the queues first. Then upon seeing the atrocious numbers (which are obvious to everyone), shut down the premade queue. Just to prove to you few how terrible it was.

Salvas_Aren · January 2020

max_only wrote: »

Lol, op is taking rpg pvp seriously. This isn’t a competitive pvp game in the least. If it was they’d have made lobbies, game supported comms, mid mission balance shuffle, and other things REAL pk games do.
Please get over it. Zos doesn’t want to put in effort to do any of those things so they did the easiest thing that will satisfy their core audience: remove premades.
Premades in gold gear who regularly delete characters so they can remain in under 50s to troll new customers is bad for the game. It doesn’t make financial sense to provide 100 people with a personal staff measuring arena and alienate thousands.

They should have separated the queues first. Then upon seeing the atrocious numbers (which are obvious to everyone), shut down the premade queue. Just to prove to you few how terrible it was.

Uhm, 12 man raid talk in here? BG talk is around the corner.

ZOS_GregoryV · January 2020

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MurderMostFoul · January 2020

Sorry OP, you might get a boo-boo in BGs now.

JamieAubrey · January 2020

I agree, premades are killing trials

Dusk_Coven · January 2020

/sarcasm on

How about just removing the leaderboards? Who cares? Everyone who's super-good only cares about making gold by selling carries, right?

Tsar_Gekkou · January 2020

Solo queue trials would be funny. If someone with a brain wound up with crown, they'd boot all of the snipe-spamming bums and bring in decent people.

Supreme_Atromancer · January 2020

@yodased , very insghtful - I strongly agree with everything you've said.

The community also needs to keep in mind that ZoS is throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. If this is truly the only way that zos is able to make BG less *** than it is now, so be it. But not everyone who groups up with their friends is a hardcore noob-farming cowboy. This change is going to burn people like me who only ever queue with my girlfriend, or my core group of in-game friends.

The salty, ***-talking, rage-quitting hardcores are still going to be around. They're still going to be mowing down noobs. Notice the attitude of these sorts of people in this very thread. They're not going to suddenly start becoming happy to work with scrubs. We're just no longer going to have an option to be lumped in with them.

iCaliban · January 2020

You go gaggin.

NskDen · January 2020

Remove Trials

iCaliban · January 2020

NskDen wrote: »

Remove Trials

Agreed. Trials are home to incredibly toxic behavior and elitism. Removing them in favor of the real endgame will do wonders.

irswat · January 2020

simple solution allow TvT battlegrounds with premade groups.

Ackwalan · January 2020

OP seems a little worried his premade group might meet something other then scattered solo player.

Ysbriel · January 2020

Yes ZOS please remove the social, friendship team building aspect of the game because people just can’t figure things out. If the premades get removed , the same names in the leaderboard will remain and those who complained about the premades will find something new to come here to cry about so ZOS can help them win.

Kel · January 2020

Ysbriel wrote: »

Yes ZOS please remove the social, friendship team building aspect of the game because people just can’t figure things out. If the premades get removed , the same names in the leaderboard will remain and those who complained about the premades will find something new to come here to cry about so ZOS can help them win.

You can still play with your friends in the other 95% of the game, and if the same names will be on the leaderboards, this change isn't really affecting things all that much, so might as well try this out!

Great points!

Canned_Apples · January 2020

ArchMikem wrote: »

Someone thinks they're being funny.

Tsar_Gekkou · January 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

NskDen wrote: »

Remove Trials

Agreed. Trials are home to incredibly toxic behavior and elitism. Removing them in favor of the real endgame will do wonders.

And we all know that the real endgame is crafting and housing. Trials are just practicing against a computer and pvp is just wearing certain sets and running with the biggest templar zerg group while somehow thinking you're good, but having a nice house and being a grand master crafter is what makes your ancestors proud.