Templars should not benefit from being Vampires

Salvas_Aren

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Templars should not benefit from being Vampires. There should be additional, major drawbacks to being a vampire as a Templar. This is for lore and power fantasy reasons. I still value ESO as a RPG. And I play both PVP and PVE.

Yeah. This is ESO - play like others want.

Wait ... the slogan is different, what was it? Play like YOU want?

Nice try thou.

tplink3r1

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Indepth wrote: »

What about DK? fire and vampire what a mix

It's not the same as with Templars who are expressly against creatures such as vampires.

So what? Arch-Curate Vyrthur was a vampire priest of Auri-El and could still use his sun based magic, as you can see in this video(4:32 and 6:53):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awAY1UMTxBo&t=4m32s

Salvas_Aren

tplink3r1 wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Indepth wrote: »

What about DK? fire and vampire what a mix

It's not the same as with Templars who are expressly against creatures such as vampires.

So what? Arch-Curate Vyrthur was a vampire priest of Auri-El and could still use his sun based magic, as you can see in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awAY1UMTxBo&t=4m32s
4:32
6:53

I can sense unwelcomed facts.

Gnortranermara

Well, here's the thing: you want to play a holy warrior? Holy people face temptation, and they have to conquer it. So if vampire would benefit you, but your character religiously opposes vampirism, then they've designed the class and vampirism correctly in relation to one another. You're supposed to be tempted! You've got to make a choice: power or purity? That's awesome.

The only thing missing from this equation is a Dawnguard skill line to incentivize hunting vamps. I really hope they're including this, because the lack of a Dragonguard skill line robbed Dragonhold of an in-game incentive to participate in the dragonslaying events. It just felt like such a terrible missed opportunity to have something new, relevant to the content, and worth leveling.

MercilessnVexed

Indepth wrote: »

What about DK? fire and vampire what a mix

My DK is a vampire. I found it funny as hell.

Tsar_Gekkou

Gameplay mechanics should never be nerfed or limited because of the chance that it might conflict with someone's immurshun.

robertbmilesb14_ESO

Vampires in this game are diseased... not "evil".

haelene

As a rule I am not a fan of Cleric's or other "holy" types in games (don't like paladin's either), so I play my Templar as a sort of "fallen from grace" type of character and it's not really immersion or lore breaking for me.

In terms of mechanics - there really isn't a system for this type of thing yet, but I'd be interested to see what that would look like. The only thing I'd be stubborn about is that if your templar's get extra damage against vampire's, sorcs and dragonknights get extra damage against their elemental opposites, necro's get extra damage against the living, and warden's get extra damage against animals / creatures. I don't know what would work best for nightblades.

barney2525

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Templars should not benefit from being Vampires. There should be additional, major drawbacks to being a vampire as a Templar. This is for lore and power fantasy reasons. I still value ESO as a RPG. And I play both PVP and PVE.

After pondering your words for quite some time, I came up with the response...

HUH ????

Please explain why your specific idealized definition of the term ' Templar ' is the one that ALL players and the Devs MUST abide by.

Thank you

CompM4s

All Templar skills should do 50% additional damage to all undead and daedra.

Nemesis7884

blood angels from warhammer are also a good example of anti hero vampire templars

one of my characters was basically a vampire for a long time and my rp story for him was that he was seeking redemption by hunting other vampires

jcm2606

Gameplay comes before lore/RP/immersion/whatever. If you don't like the idea that a Templar can be a vampire, don't have a Templar be a vampire. You have no right to take that choice away from other players.

yRaven

CompM4s wrote: »

All Templar skills should do 50% additional damage to all undead and daedra.

Necros should get the same damage of a Double Dot Poison if he harvest a Templar corpse

Banana

Why doesn't mine look like Selene from Underworld

Vanos444

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Templars should not benefit from being Vampires. There should be additional, major drawbacks to being a vampire as a Templar. This is for lore and power fantasy reasons. I still value ESO as a RPG. And I play both PVP and PVE.

Why not?
It brings out the theme, Dark Divine
Using holy spells from the dark god. Hence the holy spells have a pinch of dark corruption, just like the Dawn's wrath spell have them, ecilpse, dark flare and vampires bane.

Vanos444

Ratzkifal wrote: »

OP has a point. No divine or Tribune or even Meridia would lend a vampire their magic.

But Asura can provide templars their magic for she is the queen of the dawn and the dusk. And Asura is more trusting than Meridia, in my opinion. She helped the Chimer achieve victory against the dwemer folk.

mairwen85

😂

drkfrontiers

They don't. They called Vamplars - so they are different.

KillsAllElves

Op forgot to mention- his templar uses vampire skills.

El-Elyon Adonai

iTzStevey

I don't think they should be completely removed but you do make some sense, would be alot cooler if your abilities changed color to blood red instead of aedric gold when you become a vampire.

StarOfElyon

iTzStevey wrote: »

I don't think they should be completely removed but you do make some sense, would be alot cooler if your abilities changed color to blood red instead of aedric gold when you become a vampire.

That would be cool. If Templar isn't that "Holy Warrior" that I want it to be, I'd like a quest and skill line that is to come this year. Something other than Fighter's Guild that is made for mortals to purge daedra, vampires, and werewolves. Like the Vigilants and Dawnguard were doing in Skyrim.

barney2525

Banana wrote: »

Why doesn't mine look like Selene from Underworld

wouldn't call her a templar. Death dealer is rather assassin-ish. So she's not allowed to look like a templar.

(This logic comes to you straight from the HUH? factory )

themaddaedra

This is simply not that kind of game. In a game where assassin class can be immortal tanks, sorcerers can be built as non-mage (the idea of a stam sorc is still weird to me after all this time), necromancers can be psijics and join fighters guild, vampires can join fighters guild, dks can be vampires etc. expecting templars to be restricted from a skill line like this is just not understanding the world you live in. That's not even a discussion.

StarOfElyon

themaddaedra wrote: »

This is simply not that kind of game. In a game where assassin class can be immortal tanks, sorcerers can be built as non-mage (the idea of a stam sorc is still weird to me after all this time), necromancers can be psijics and join fighters guild, vampires can join fighters guild, dks can be vampires etc. expecting templars to be restricted from a skill line like this is just not understanding the world you live in. That's not even a discussion.

Yes. Please read the thread. This has been said already.

Nord_Raseri

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Uh hum

I am sure because of RPG reasons wink wink

Why else? I play Templar. I could be a vampire if I wanted to. I'm against it for the reasons I stated. If you don't care about the role playing side of it, I don't expect you to agree.

And there it is. You don't even play as a vampire (I don't really either) so it in no way affects you. You just want to force changes on other people. That's like me saying "necromancers shouldn't be able to...Whatever... for immersion", even though there's no immersion for me either way, as I do not play one.

StarOfElyon

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Uh hum

I am sure because of RPG reasons wink wink

Why else? I play Templar. I could be a vampire if I wanted to. I'm against it for the reasons I stated. If you don't care about the role playing side of it, I don't expect you to agree.

And there it is. You don't even play as a vampire (I don't really either) so it in no way affects you. You just want to force changes on other people. That's like me saying "necromancers shouldn't be able to...Whatever... for immersion", even though there's no immersion for me either way, as I do not play one.

So you disagree. That's fine. I saw a couple of arguments in the thread that convinced me I was wrong about Templars. As long as comments are supported by information, I can work with that. Emotional ranting? Not helpful.

ZaroktheImmortal

Why punish a single class in terms of vampirism yet none other? How would that balance out? It wouldn't. And doing so is a terrible idea.

Nord_Raseri

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Uh hum

I am sure because of RPG reasons wink wink

Why else? I play Templar. I could be a vampire if I wanted to. I'm against it for the reasons I stated. If you don't care about the role playing side of it, I don't expect you to agree.

And there it is. You don't even play as a vampire (I don't really either) so it in no way affects you. You just want to force changes on other people. That's like me saying "necromancers shouldn't be able to...Whatever... for immersion", even though there's no immersion for me either way, as I do not play one.

So you disagree. That's fine. I saw a couple of arguments in the thread that convinced me I was wrong about Templars. As long as comments are supported by information, I can work with that. Emotional ranting? Not helpful.

I felt no emotion. Neither was it a rant. Just trying to show you how your post may be perceived my a majority. Turns out it is.

Danikat

As other people have said if you're going to claim lore or RP reasons for restrictions (or anything else) you need to make sure you're at least referring to the right games lore.

TES is not DnD. Templars in ESO aren't all holy knights granted their power by 'lawful good' gods who are against anything and everything evil. Even the few sources which do associate ESO templars with the divines link them with Stendarr who is the god of charity, mercy and justice, not Arkay who governs life and death and is opposed to vampires and the undead.

In practice there is nothing aside from a few in-game books (which are all subject to the unreliable narrator clause) linking any ESO class to specific deities. In the previous TES games systems templars would simply be users of destruction and restoration magic, and maybe some conjuration or alteration for the magic weapons.

Therefore there's nothing to say a vampire couldn't also be a templar, and since ESO's strain of vampires aren't affected by sunlight by are weak to fire they'd probably be more likely to be a templar than a dragon knight.

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