As long as ZOS keep selfhealing somewhat untouched I think it can be ok to SLIGHTLY reduce the amount of cross-healing that you can do. But knowing ZOS they'll most likely go with 50-70% reduced healing for literally everything because oUr StAnDaRdS.
The funny part is that some things have been TRULY overpowered, and everyone stated so during PTS and the dev's go live anyway. Rune Cage, the DoT buffs, Sloads, are examples.
I still expect we get a radical nerf to healing next PTS, which may balanced for and work in no-CP kindergartens where complexity and group size are hard capped, but will actually make zergs more powerful in AvA (more healers), and will make some burst classes even stronger. As always there will be the unintended consequences of the nerfs that make The Next Thing powerful.
I think we might also see mitigation/defense nerfs and some continued nerfing of targeted CC. I'm less confident of that than the healing nerfs which they pretty much telegraphed in the PTS.
Be careful what you wish for.(...) Just prevent crosshealing outside from groups and cap the group size to 12 (maybe 16).
This would have the consequence that we see a larger amount of "small" ball groups instead of one mega sized zerg. And maybe it would even encourage them to spread out stack up on the map instead of steamroling the same keeps/outposts over and over (ales->bleak->Chal/ash->nikel->Roe/AlEsSiA BrIdGe)
What ability are you talking about? Or do you mean other people’s abilities.
Be careful what you wish for.
Because in nerfing zergs, that would be a huge buff to ballgroups.
Let's take a closer look at what and how would that change:
- Random "pugs" from their own faction would no longer siphon any heals away from ballgroups. This is a buff to ballgroups.
- Such a healing change would nerf zonechat LFG groups to some degree. Indirectly, this is a buff to ballgroups, since not-very-organized groups would be even less able to compete with ballgroups than they are already (regardless of any numerical advantage they might have).
- It would also nerf faction stacks in general. Again, indirectly buffing ballgroups by weakening their opposition.
- Nothing changes for ballgroup healing or purging.
- Nothing changes for ballgroup vs ballgroup combat.
- Nothing changes re. ballgroup sizes: most of the highly organized groups already run numbers of 10-16 players at most, because of coordination issues and worsening lag at larger sizes.
In the end, this would invariably result in a "ball up or die" meta, since poorly organized groups would have a hard time staying alive long enough to do anything useful. Cyrodiil in primetime would be populated by nothing but ballgroups.
And there would be no real alternative: not grouping wouldn't even be an option, since solo players can't even hope to put a dent in a highly organized group.
Cyrodiil's design already rewards (organized) grouping to a stupidly high degree, what with the broken OP Cleanse which makes it impossible to stick any DoTs or any other debuffs to a ballgroup.
You really don't want to be empowering them any further through what can best be described as very misguided nerfs.
There are many other ways to "fix" group healing to level the playing field and nerf healtank stacking. However, what you are proposing is a very poor and counterproductive way of accomplishing that.
Sure enough, here you go:(...) And i dont want to say that a solo player should be able to take out a zerg, that would be bad ballancing, my point is that its way to easy for zergs AND ballgroups to heal up their group.
Could you pls mention some of the ways to ballance healing ? because most forumwarriors who are crying in the forum just want healing nerfed. And most of the interesting ideas would also favor ballgroups, because thats just how cyro is build these days: organized groups have an easyer time to adapt.
Some broad ideas:
- reduce outgoing (cross) heals proportionally to the caster's damage resistances, thus forcing healers to build maximally squishy to maximize group healing effectiveness - OR making a compromise in being more tanky but significantly less effective at healing their group,
- (exponentially) reduce effectiveness of every additional active cross healing effect on players by X% relative to the previous one (thus making "blob stacking" of more than 2-3 healers increasingly inefficient),
- reduce healing done, and particularly cross healing done, when blocking (IN PvP ONLY = via battle spirit)
Oops, ZOS didn't get the memo... and now we have the hammer which does the exact opposite thingMoreover stretching players out on the map WOULD help decreasing the effectiveness: less players on one spot->less ap/rewards-> less reasons to form a ballgroup
HoT's aren't the (main) problem in ballgroups, they get a substantial share of their insane healing from PBAoE direct heals and the Cleanse %HP heal. With another significant chunk coming from ground placed AoE HoTs.Fur_like_snow wrote: »How about only allowing a player to have two copies of a HoT active at a time, one cast by the player and another from a group member. That would cut down on redundant healing and server calculations.
Sure enough, here you go:
IMO, any changes to group healing should be done in such a way as to make the PvP healer role more interesting and involving actual compromises on the build and gameplay level - instead of the current "build tanky AF, spam group heals left and right, blockcast burst heals when focused" approach which seems to be quite prevalent nowadays.
You know a game has a serious balancing problem, when the most optimal approach for dealing with enemy groups is to focus their DDs first, since focusing the healtanks first is rather counterproductive in the current meta.
Oops, ZOS didn't get the memo... and now we have the hammer which does the exact opposite thing
HoT's aren't the (main) problem in ballgroups, they get a substantial share of their insane healing from PBAoE direct heals and the Cleanse %HP heal. With another significant chunk coming from ground placed AoE HoTs.
Player applied HoTs like Vigor or Regeneration only account for a fraction of the healing done in ballgroups. Nerfing those would, ironically, affect smaller and/or less organized groups far more heavily than it would affect the ballgroups.