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Why Does Coldharbor Have A Sun?

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GrimTheReaper45
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Its a daedric realm of oblivion apart from nirn, its a pocket dimension created by molag bal.....

Ya telling me the daedric prince of DOMINATION AND CRUELTY put a sun, the happy warm shiny sky orb that gives vitamin D, in his pocket dimension for the people he is enslaving, torturing and making suffer for all eternity.....

what? :D
  • VaranisArano
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    Which sun?

    The Hollow City has sunlight, but that's Meridia's little pocket of space stuck in the middle of Coldharbor.

    The rest of it seemed pretty gloomy to me.
  • GrimTheReaper45
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    VaranisArano wrote: »
    Which sun?

    The Hollow City has sunlight, but that's Meridia's little pocket of space stuck in the middle of Coldharbor.

    The rest of it seemed pretty gloomy to me.

    wow, that just destroyed my entire observation and argument :| good point
  • srfrogg23
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    GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »
    Its a daedric realm of oblivion apart from nirn, its a pocket dimension created by molag bal.....

    Ya telling me the daedric prince of DOMINATION AND CRUELTY put a sun, the happy warm shiny sky orb that gives vitamin D, in his pocket dimension for the people he is enslaving, torturing and making suffer for all eternity.....

    what? :D

    It represents the warmth and hope that they can never reach.
  • starkerealm
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    A better question would be, "why does Coldharbour have a daedric dance club?"
    Edited by starkerealm on November 23, 2019 4:19AM
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    imagine thinking about vitamins and physical properties of a sun...in a realm where only dead go and since they shed their mortal vessels have no use for sunlight whatsoever...but yeah when its usually nice and hopeful...blame meridia.
  • Lady_Linux
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    meridia cant be trusted
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  • UntilValhalla13
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    meridia cant be trusted

    I still say Meridia is low-key the hooded figure that starts the whole thing in motion. They look awfully similar.
  • MercilessnVexed
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    Even demons gotta see.
  • Vhozek
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    The sun in TES is not what you think it is.
    𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.
  • Vhozek
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    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png
    Edited by Vhozek on November 23, 2019 6:08AM
    𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.
  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

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  • siddique
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    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    Sovngarde is in Aetherius, not Oblivion.
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  • Lady_Linux
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    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?
    Edited by Lady_Linux on November 23, 2019 10:35AM
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  • siddique
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?

    How are they subject to daedric princes?
    Edited by siddique on November 23, 2019 10:36AM
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  • Lady_Linux
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    siddique wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?

    How are they subject to daedric princes?

    according to the graphic they exist at a level higher than the divines, closer to atherius
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  • siddique
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    siddique wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?

    How are they subject to daedric princes?

    according to the graphic they exist at a level higher than the divines, closer to atherius

    The map is accurate as far as the realms are considered. It doesn't define levels as such. Think of it more in terms of Solar System, Milkyway, Universe.

    Nirn is surrounded by Oblivion, Oblivion is surrounded by Aetherius, Aetherius is surrounded by the Void.

    The "divines" you see around Nirn are the et'Ada who sacrificed their power in the creation of Mundus, and thus are the "planets" around it.

    The daedra are those et'Ada who refused to participate in that creation. The Aedra, who reside in Aetherius, also known as "divines" escaped upon realization that they had to sacrifice their power.

    The chief Architect, Magnus, left a hole in the fabric of Aurbis (universe) when he escaped to Aetherius (that is the sun) the other et'Ada/Magna Ge left similar smaller holes (stars)

    All of this is surrounded by the Dread Father, Sithis in his own realm, the Void.

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  • Lady_Linux
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    siddique wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    siddique wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?

    How are they subject to daedric princes?

    according to the graphic they exist at a level higher than the divines, closer to atherius

    The map is accurate as far as the realms are considered. It doesn't define levels as such. Think of it more in terms of Solar System, Milkyway, Universe.

    Nirn is surrounded by Oblivion, Oblivion is surrounded by Aetherius, Aetherius is surrounded by the Void.

    The "divines" you see around Nirn are the et'Ada who sacrificed their power in the creation of Mundus, and thus are the "planets" around it.

    The daedra are those et'Ada who refused to participate in that creation. The Aedra, who reside in Aetherius, also known as "divines" escaped upon realization that they had to sacrifice their power.

    The chief Architect, Magnus, left a hole in the fabric of Aurbis (universe) when he escaped to Aetherius (that is the sun) the other et'Ada/Magna Ge left similar smaller holes (stars)

    All of this is surrounded by the Dread Father, Sithis in his own realm, the Void.

    Hail Sithis.

    sounds like a tragic case of depersonailazion/derealization taken to the extreme to be sure.
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  • Olauron
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic
    Talos is not a real Divine. He doesn't have a planet.
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  • Lady_Linux
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    Olauron wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic
    Talos is not a real Divine. He doesn't have a planet.

    Sounds like a Thalmor conspiracy theory to me

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  • siddique
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    Talos, Sotha Sil, Vivec, Almalexia are all fake news.
    Edited by siddique on November 23, 2019 11:15AM
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    siddique wrote: »
    Vhozek wrote: »
    The "sun" is a hole in the fabric of mundus (the universe) which separates it from the realm of magic (aetherius). It was made by a being named Magnus as he tried to escape mundus due to its creation coming at the cost of his and everyone else's powers. Magnus' followers also escaped and created smaller holes which are the stars. That's how magic flows into the universe.
    So yes, practically anything in Mundus will have a sun and stars.

    3fmGD7H.png

    Sovngarde is in Aetherius, not Oblivion.

    According to this graphic, Sovngarde is in Mundus.
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    siddique wrote: »
    Sovngarde is in Aetherius, not Oblivion.
    One could make a case that sovngarde is a "transfer point" between mundus and aetherius...
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic
    Talos does not exist in the second era.
    He will be born in about 300 years, and be declared "divine" after his death... and end up as much "god" as the tribunal, perhaps even less because they at least do have some actual aedric power (if "borrowed")
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?
    It's not that.
    It's more a "...closer to Nirn" thing - since they gave up much to create the material world together, while the daedric princes kept their distance, and later made their knockoff copies styled after their personality...
    Here is another pretty representation:
    5528d5f92156a234e1e0499452ac44f3.jpg
    And some more depictions of TES cosmoilogy:
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    Maybe that helps to clarify a little. Or at least looks pretty! ;)
  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    So many simple pictures for simple minds. They remind me of those medieval geocentric, flat-earth diagrams of the cosmos. Pretty but not very useful.

    If you read the lore, if you pay attention while you're playing the game, it soon becomes clear that the structure of the Aurbis and the distribution of objects within it is non-intuitive. It is too complex to be envisioned by the human imagination, let alone drawn on a 2 dimensional surface.

    There's no way to get your head around it.

    Edit: fact checked myself :#
    Edited by RaddlemanNumber7 on November 23, 2019 4:56PM
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  • siddique
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    Coldharbour should have a sun. Even if wrapped around in dark clouds and hidden by atmosphere.

    The sun is Magnus causing a tear in the realm of Oblivion to escape to Aetherius. Coldharbour is in Oblivion.
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    The part of the galaxy occupied by Nirn and its environs are considered "odd" by the neighbors, and thus avoided for the most part. Think of Nirn and its environs as the "hood" of the galaxy — you don't go there unless you absolutely have to.

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    Daedric princes are more powerful than the divines bc they did not give up any power to create nirn. That's why you don't see many devines manifest themselves because they are tethered to the very thing they created.
  • GusTheWizard
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic

    Also you're assertion is that the so called divines are subject to daedric princes?

    Doesn’t Talos reside in Sovngarde? That’s on the graph right between Kinareth and Mara.
    Edited by GusTheWizard on November 23, 2019 9:41PM
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    Olauron wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic
    Talos is not a real Divine. He doesn't have a planet.

    Talos is Lorkhan, still not on the map, though.
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    starkerealm wrote: »
    A better question would be, "why does Coldharbour have a daedric dance club?"

    Everyone needs a place they can go to unwind.
  • siddique
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    starkerealm wrote: »
    Olauron wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    I dont see Talos in that Graphic
    Talos is not a real Divine. He doesn't have a planet.

    Talos is Lorkhan, still not on the map, though.

    Talos is not Lorkhan.
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