Getting instanced with people on your block list

Nestor

Pheefs wrote: »

Yeah that's awkward making...
isn't there a slash command to change instance?

Travel to a guildmate or friend who is not in the same instance as you. Not the easiest thing to figure out though. You have to know where on the map they are, and then go see if you can see them.

Vlad9425

Personally I haven’t got anyone blocked but I assume the best way to approach this is to simply ignore those people and if they’re going out of their way to bother you then report them.

CiliPadi

L_Nici wrote: »

Yes I agree I got grouped with people on my igno before and as soon as he noticed he stopped doing the dungeon, but stayed in group so we would be forced to vote him out, which of course failed since he queued with a friend, who blocked the vote. With that we were 2 players down and couldn't do anything about it. On top of that the 2 even started to talk *** about me and insulted the crap out of the other player who refused to vote me out.

It's quite sad that ZOS can't even get a this basic functionality right. The whole game needs a rewrite TBH.

yodased

What im amazed by is the level to which people take things like this. I barely even pay attention to the people in my queue group forget thinking if i may have ignored them

What are you people doing to make such enemies in a videogame?

Darkenarlol

when one peson blocks another it usually menas that one of them

is a sick *** but it is hard to tell which one of them


you can decide do you want to play in a group with someone

in your black list or not and imo there is no need to put your

responsibility to make such decision on zos

Araneae6537

yodased wrote: »

What im amazed by is the level to which people take things like this. I barely even pay attention to the people in my queue group forget thinking if i may have ignored them

What are you people doing to make such enemies in a videogame?

I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn’t call anyone I ignored an “enemy,” nothing so dramatic! I’ve blocked a few people who were trolling zone chat with juvenile offensive garbage, not anything that I felt warranted reporting, but I don’t need to see that and I prefer to leave chat open in case there are people looking for help and other things I would want to see and respond to.

I think I blocked one or two people who were exceptionally rude in a dungeon run (also the only time I left a group for that reason). Most people in dungeon finder are just fine in my experience, ranging from slightly rude to silent to extremely friendly and helpful.

zaria

redspecter23 wrote: »

It would be near impossible to cross reference all ignore lists of all players and separate them into instances that all adhere to those individual block lists.

It could theoretically be done for group finder situations though still increasing the load on an already broken system, but for overland, understand how difficult it would be to implement.

This, and no its not very hard.
But adding extra marginal features to the group finder in its current state is pretty high up on the bad ideas list.
Invading Russia during an winter is below in the list.

Also for some reason this one has not used my ignore list. Yes I'm pretty causal in PvP, plenty of IC but little BG.
Cleared all but a few vet dlc dungeons. the vet claglorn trials most of this in trial groups.

yodased

ErinM31 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

What im amazed by is the level to which people take things like this. I barely even pay attention to the people in my queue group forget thinking if i may have ignored them

What are you people doing to make such enemies in a videogame?

I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn’t call anyone I ignored an “enemy,” nothing so dramatic! I’ve blocked a few people who were trolling zone chat with juvenile offensive garbage, not anything that I felt warranted reporting, but I don’t need to see that and I prefer to leave chat open in case there are people looking for help and other things I would want to see and respond to.

I think I blocked one or two people who were exceptionally rude in a dungeon run (also the only time I left a group for that reason). Most people in dungeon finder are just fine in my experience, ranging from slightly rude to silent to extremely friendly and helpful.

My question were to those who want a person completely deleted from their existence. You are using the ignore feature as it's intended.

How can you be so triggered by a person you actively want to avoid seeing their character in a game?

Sergykid

YES i was searching for this topic, wanted to make another one.

i want this too. I am tired of carrying daily people that are intentionally potatoes. Stupid is not someone that doesn't know, nobody was born acknowledged, stupid is someone that refuses to learn.

dps with 30k hp, dps with shield main bar, dps that spam light attacks the whole fight, dps that spam execute ability even on full hp boss, and the worst kind are those that don't even read chat when you tell them that they don't have mundus stone or you offer to give them food. As u see i don't have a problem with healer/tank because their roles are more forgiving.
Simply toxic people overall and arrogant ignorants.

how can it be implemented? in the moment that i am found a group, before i am grouped there can be a check to see if the people that i am about to be grouped with has people from my ignore list. If yes then cancel joining that group and skip to the next group in the queue. Make this option a toggle i don't care but as i play only tank and healer i don't want these people.

Rave the Histborn

Versispellis wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Yeah, I remember blocking one really nasty person with hopes that I won't get with him in the same dungeon anymore. Group Finder matched us 5 more times that day.

That's rough. See, this is what I'm saying. What is the answer to this? Just stop playing for the day? That hardly seems fair.

Have you considered that maybe there's no answer and you have to just deal with it and play with them? You said you play on ps4, is it possible the playerbase is so limited when you play they have to be matched with them?

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Versispellis wrote: »

I'm sorry to add more to the mound of complaints on the forum, but this is an issue that really sticks with me.

Seriously. Why are we still getting instanced with people on our block list? When I block someone, it's a very clear indicator that I do NOT want to play with that person, and I shouldn't have to avoid maps or playing at certain hours to stay away from that person. Relogging just keeps chucking you into the same instance, too. It's almost like blocking improves your chances of matching with someone.

PS4. I don't know if it's different on other platforms. In all the other PS4 games I play, blocking someone prevents matching with them, so it's a thing that's possible to implement.

EDIT: Sorry the above sounded a little confrontational in hindsight. I didn't intend the tone to be grating, but it sure is! The post should have been framed as a question: why does this happen? Some people have pointed out some technical limitations and uncertainties that are worth a consideration.

Because a person can have about 100 bloked people if im not mistaken and i doubt they will open that much instance just for that

Plus they still have as much right to be there as you do

Zacuel

Stop blocking everyone.

"Oh that person said something I didn't quite like!" *blocks*

"Hah! That'll show 'em ... They'll be sorry now. Oh no they're in a dungeon with me and now I'm uncomfortable..."

SickleCider

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

SickleCider

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Yeah, I remember blocking one really nasty person with hopes that I won't get with him in the same dungeon anymore. Group Finder matched us 5 more times that day.

That's rough. See, this is what I'm saying. What is the answer to this? Just stop playing for the day? That hardly seems fair.

Have you considered that maybe there's no answer and you have to just deal with it and play with them? You said you play on ps4, is it possible the playerbase is so limited when you play they have to be matched with them?

Yeah, I think the population on PS4 is just that small. Mind, I don't have this precise problem personally, because I never use the Activity Finder. I just feel a bit empathetic for people that have to deal with that. You're right: there is no answer, and it's a shame.

Kadoin

Versispellis wrote: »

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

I think I've had my daily laugh for the day, thanks. I need to use this statement on the forums the next time anyone disagrees with me.

LoneStar2911

Maybe something that might work would be a "blacklist" function, that worked separate from the ignore function. Does the same, but more, but also with a much lower limit.

Ignore: No longer see them in chats. Limit of 100 players being ignored.
Blacklist: No longer see them in chats, and cannot be grouped with them through the dungeon group finder. Limit of 10. (Or 20?)

SickleCider

Amber322 wrote: »

Maybe something that might work would be a "blacklist" function, that worked separate from the ignore function. Does the same, but more, but also with a much lower limit.

Ignore: No longer see them in chats. Limit of 100 players being ignored.
Blacklist: No longer see them in chats, and cannot be grouped with them through the dungeon group finder. Limit of 10. (Or 20?)

That might have working potential, though obviously they'd have to fix whatever is wrong with the Activity Finder for goodsies. Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that a feature like this could lead to some awkward moments where activities with guildies are concerned (the likelihood that you'd share a guild with some people you've blocked probably being high?). I'm not actually that informed about it, because I haven't used the Activity Finder in an age, have never set foot in a BG or Cyro, etc. You'd have to confer with them if you wanted to discuss that further.

Zacuel

Versispellis wrote: »

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

Okay Boomer.

*Laughs uncontrollably and obnoxiously while pounding fist on table.*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

SickleCider

Zacuel wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

Okay Boomer.

*Laughs uncontrollably and obnoxiously while pounding fist on table.*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You know, this response would have actually been really funny if you'd left it at two words. You kinda botched the landing, though. The next time you do this--and please, keep the "okay boomer" meme alive--keep it simple.

Zacuel

Versispellis wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

Okay Boomer.

*Laughs uncontrollably and obnoxiously while pounding fist on table.*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You know, this response would have actually been really funny if you'd left it at two words. You kinda botched the landing, though. The next time you do this--and please, keep the "okay boomer" meme alive--keep it simple.

Okay Boomer.

Uhg it's not funny now and is probably gonna be snipped anyway.

Bleh I'm doing it again.

Curse you versis and your unwaivering coolness in the face of trolling. I give up.

HalvarIronfist

Versispellis wrote: »

I'm sorry to add more to the mound of complaints on the forum, but this is an issue that really sticks with me.

Seriously. Why are we still getting instanced with people on our block list? When I block someone, it's a very clear indicator that I do NOT want to play with that person, and I shouldn't have to avoid maps or playing at certain hours to stay away from that person. Relogging just keeps chucking you into the same instance, too. It's almost like blocking improves your chances of matching with someone.

PS4. I don't know if it's different on other platforms. In all the other PS4 games I play, blocking someone prevents matching with them, so it's a thing that's possible to implement.

EDIT: Sorry the above sounded a little confrontational in hindsight. I didn't intend the tone to be grating, but it sure is! The post should have been framed as a question: why does this happen? Some people have pointed out some technical limitations and uncertainties that are worth a consideration.

EDIT2: I'm going to attempt to sum up everything I have learned since I made this thread. There are far fewer instances than some dim people (ahem, me) would assume, so at the bottom line, the infrastructure for instance-avoidance isn't there. When the population is small, you're more likely to run into the same people--a given--which explains why some people are having a hard time avoiding certain other players. While this can lead to some amount of upset, and also exposes players to unwanted griefing, more robust "protections" would require a rewrite of the game's fundamental structure. Even if there were more instances available--and I"m going to borrow another person's phraseology here--the number of "complex permutations" cross-referencing everyone's block lists would probably just choke a game that barely works for a lot of people as it is. Aaaand this is why even an in-house block feature could only do so much. People also pointed out the potential for abuse--blocking people over lost PVP matches (an oversight of mine, because I never PVP in this game), and the next really struck me: people could bully someone by blocking them en masse and thereby gating them out of the game. So, I admit my complaint was pointless/ill-informed, because this is probably the best things can be, even though a lot of people wouldn't call it ideal.

A handful of people spoke about the abuse they've received from other players. They talked about getting matched up in dungeons, for example, with people who'd been nasty to them. I obviously agree your only choices shouldn't be deal with it, go somewhere else, or stop playing, but I do hope that people will choose one of the latter two options. Nothing in this game is worth the amount of stress you're putting yourself under by staying. It's probably hard not to think of it as a concession, so think of it as filtering your emotional environment.

What started this? I was angry at a player who'd been camping in a zone for weeks, holding all of the harvesting nodes hostage. No matter what day of the week or what hour of the day, they'd spot me and start actively following me around the map to contest every node. Definitely a player, not a bot. It's actually the first person I've blocked in ESO in probably two years, but I guess after a long time of this, and my inability to adapt, I was seeing red. Never contacted them, didn't want to escalate, etc. I think a lot of the really stupid fights that happen between players in this game could be avoided if they had better tools to get away from each other, but, see above. That being said, I do see the irony of this paragraph following the one before it.

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So, in my experience. I've met dozens of nasty players, but I've never fully decided to block anyone ESO, in my opinion is no where near a toxic game environment compared to other games I've invested into previously. (For Instance; Rust.) So I can't say that even if I did, that I'd actually care about seeing them again, in many cases the only people I repeatedly find in ESO are ironically: streamers, prominent GMs/Guild officers I know of, and some PVP players.

In my opinion the block feature is overrated and used as a threat by some players, presuming others care a bit more than they should. Countless times in PVP, I have been rage-whispered by someone I was beating pretty badly, only to respond once rather politely, (be it sarcastically.) and be followed up by "Blocked/Ignored!" Do I care..? Not really. The same can be said about posting guild advertisements in zone chat. I've supposedly been "ignored" from simply doing that. (Okay?)

I've met toxic PVE players and PVP players. Generally, they can be dealt with pretty simply, at least I feel like that. All without the use of ignoring the player. Now, my experiences are my own. Of course, other people may feel differently. But generally, I feel like people too liberally use the ignore feature.

Lastly, I'd address your last paragraph there. Ironically.. Yes, you had the answer. "Go somewhere else". I don't mean for that to be rude. If you're gathering materials, there's plenty of good areas to do so. (Face it, we've all had to jump around to avoid bots at one point or another.) So, if one user was being that petty as to chase you around for that, well.. It's pretty self explanatory, just find another place and go on with your business.

I guess I'm generally just not easily offended and see no use for the ignore feature, even when I do encounter rude/griefing players, so I think I don't feel the need for any extra features.

SickleCider

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

I'm sorry to add more to the mound of complaints on the forum, but this is an issue that really sticks with me.

Seriously. Why are we still getting instanced with people on our block list? When I block someone, it's a very clear indicator that I do NOT want to play with that person, and I shouldn't have to avoid maps or playing at certain hours to stay away from that person. Relogging just keeps chucking you into the same instance, too. It's almost like blocking improves your chances of matching with someone.

PS4. I don't know if it's different on other platforms. In all the other PS4 games I play, blocking someone prevents matching with them, so it's a thing that's possible to implement.

EDIT: Sorry the above sounded a little confrontational in hindsight. I didn't intend the tone to be grating, but it sure is! The post should have been framed as a question: why does this happen? Some people have pointed out some technical limitations and uncertainties that are worth a consideration.

EDIT2: I'm going to attempt to sum up everything I have learned since I made this thread. There are far fewer instances than some dim people (ahem, me) would assume, so at the bottom line, the infrastructure for instance-avoidance isn't there. When the population is small, you're more likely to run into the same people--a given--which explains why some people are having a hard time avoiding certain other players. While this can lead to some amount of upset, and also exposes players to unwanted griefing, more robust "protections" would require a rewrite of the game's fundamental structure. Even if there were more instances available--and I"m going to borrow another person's phraseology here--the number of "complex permutations" cross-referencing everyone's block lists would probably just choke a game that barely works for a lot of people as it is. Aaaand this is why even an in-house block feature could only do so much. People also pointed out the potential for abuse--blocking people over lost PVP matches (an oversight of mine, because I never PVP in this game), and the next really struck me: people could bully someone by blocking them en masse and thereby gating them out of the game. So, I admit my complaint was pointless/ill-informed, because this is probably the best things can be, even though a lot of people wouldn't call it ideal.

A handful of people spoke about the abuse they've received from other players. They talked about getting matched up in dungeons, for example, with people who'd been nasty to them. I obviously agree your only choices shouldn't be deal with it, go somewhere else, or stop playing, but I do hope that people will choose one of the latter two options. Nothing in this game is worth the amount of stress you're putting yourself under by staying. It's probably hard not to think of it as a concession, so think of it as filtering your emotional environment.

What started this? I was angry at a player who'd been camping in a zone for weeks, holding all of the harvesting nodes hostage. No matter what day of the week or what hour of the day, they'd spot me and start actively following me around the map to contest every node. Definitely a player, not a bot. It's actually the first person I've blocked in ESO in probably two years, but I guess after a long time of this, and my inability to adapt, I was seeing red. Never contacted them, didn't want to escalate, etc. I think a lot of the really stupid fights that happen between players in this game could be avoided if they had better tools to get away from each other, but, see above. That being said, I do see the irony of this paragraph following the one before it.

---

So, in my experience. I've met dozens of nasty players, but I've never fully decided to block anyone ESO, in my opinion is no where near a toxic game environment compared to other games I've invested into previously. (For Instance; Rust.) So I can't say that even if I did, that I'd actually care about seeing them again, in many cases the only people I repeatedly find in ESO are ironically: streamers, prominent GMs/Guild officers I know of, and some PVP players.

In my opinion the block feature is overrated and used as a threat by some players, presuming others care a bit more than they should. Countless times in PVP, I have been rage-whispered by someone I was beating pretty badly, only to respond once rather politely, (be it sarcastically.) and be followed up by "Blocked/Ignored!" Do I care..? Not really. The same can be said about posting guild advertisements in zone chat. I've supposedly been "ignored" from simply doing that. (Okay?)

I've met toxic PVE players and PVP players. Generally, they can be dealt with pretty simply, at least I feel like that. All without the use of ignoring the player. Now, my experiences are my own. Of course, other people may feel differently. But generally, I feel like people too liberally use the ignore feature.

Lastly, I'd address your last paragraph there. Ironically.. Yes, you had the answer. "Go somewhere else". I don't mean for that to be rude. If you're gathering materials, there's plenty of good areas to do so. (Face it, we've all had to jump around to avoid bots at one point or another.) So, if one user was being that petty as to chase you around for that, well.. It's pretty self explanatory, just find another place and go on with your business.

I guess I'm generally just not easily offended and see no use for the ignore feature, even when I do encounter rude/griefing players, so I think I don't feel the need for any extra features.

Come to think of it. . . yeah! I've had people threaten to block me, too. I had forgotten all about it. Good grief, yes, maybe things are better off the way they are.

And you're right on the money, yup. I'm not happy to give up my super efficient farming route for the time being, but I took some time, played MediEvil instead (really great, highly recommend) and took that time to evaluate why it's so important to me to make gold in the game at the same rapid rate. I'll work harder on my writs and spend a little more time dragon hunting until this person finally gets bored of zone squatting.

SickleCider

Zacuel wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

I think I need to save some people a lot of trouble, because they seem really keen on baiting me into some pointless argument of egos with inferences about my character and activities. It's not happening, my dudes. lol I mean, if you want to keep flexing, that's on you, but I'm not interested.

Okay Boomer.

*Laughs uncontrollably and obnoxiously while pounding fist on table.*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You know, this response would have actually been really funny if you'd left it at two words. You kinda botched the landing, though. The next time you do this--and please, keep the "okay boomer" meme alive--keep it simple.

Okay Boomer.

Uhg it's not funny now and is probably gonna be snipped anyway.

Bleh I'm doing it again.

Curse you versis and your unwaivering coolness in the face of trolling. I give up.

Don't worry, there's no shortage of really sensitive people here. lol You'll get the next one.

Araneae6537

@Versispellis I am glad that you reconsidered your position in light of considering how it would have to work, potential ramifications, misuse, etc. A lot of people don’t do that I think.

Thank you for sharing a bit more on why this was a problem for you in the first place. That is a very bizarre sort of trolling and I can understand how that would be upsetting! You are definitely taking the right approach to simply farm elsewhere and focus on other aspects of the game!

*Edited for typo

SickleCider

ErinM31 wrote: »

@Versispellis I am glad that you reconsidered your position in light of considering how it would have to work, potential ramifications, misuse, etc. A lot of people don’t do that I think.

Thank you for sharing a bit more on why this was a problem for you in the first place. That is a very bizarre sort of trolling and I can understand how that would be upsetting! You are definitely taking the right approach to simply farm Elsweyr and focus on other aspects of the game!

Oh, yeah, sure, no problem! People don't like being wrong--I really, really don't like being wrong--but hey, when you're wrong, you're wrong.

I should have been less mysterious about the circumstances from the beginning. lol I don't know what that person is thinking. They're probably trying to make a statement like, "go away, this is my turf!" It's childish, and I hope they grow out of it. I didn't want to report them and rob them of gameplay over it tho.

Belyar

What kind of special snowflake puts someone on block list to begin with.

Taleof2Cities

Versispellis wrote: »

Don't worry, there's no shortage of really sensitive people here. lol You'll get the next one.

Just want to make sure we’re crystal clear here:

A player is looking to micromanage the actual instancing of players on their ignore list. That’s the title of this thread.

Who is the sensitive one again??

SickleCider

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Don't worry, there's no shortage of really sensitive people here. lol You'll get the next one.

Just want to make sure we’re crystal clear here:

A player is looking to micromanage the actual instancing of players on their ignore list. That’s the title of this thread.

Who is the sensitive one again??

Oh, it's me. I gotta tell you, living with eczema is a curse. There are so many products I can't use, and I can't even wear cotton. I'm the most insufferable person to shop with. And don't even get me started on my allergies. Just now I heard the forced air heating kick in, so I know I'm going to have a miserable afternoon.

MornaBaine

Versispellis wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

My lord, how soft are you?

I don't know why you want to know what texture I am, but I'm happy to help. I'm soft kind of like a kitten. My hair is the softest part of me, and I like to wear soft sweaters. I also like to use this really lovely lotion called "Hand Food." It smells like rose and bergamot. I recommend it.

I actually just looked up that lotion on amazon because rose and bergamot sounds lovely. Alas, there is no mention of these scents in the product description.

Also ZOS made it clear long ago that they have no interest in curbing player harassment by other players. You can mute their chat and you can leave the area they are in and that's it.

Just for some history on my assertion here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162311/harrassment-already-a-larger-problem/p1

Nemesis7884

to the op; the same thing basically happens to me every holiday with members of my family...