Does anyone actually use the number row keys for abilities?

logarifmik

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

redgreensunset

I do. I tried a gaming mouse but kept developing tendinitis from it. And honestly, whichever you do, it's mainly a question of habit and practice.

Thrasher91604

Yes, and I have an MMO mouse. The array of thumb buttons is too awkward. All thumbs shall we say.

Milchbart

Thats off topic but you all should try Skyrim VR!

No mouse and no keyboard .... and play with maximum reality settings which means if you want to sneak you must really
go down and if you want to use the bow you must handle it like in real life.

Langeston

logarifmik wrote: »

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

I have 2 hands as well. The reason I map 1-5 to my mouse is so I can move & quickly change direction at will with one hand while simultaneously using skills & abilities uninterruptedly with the other.

Even simple movement is much more convoluted using the number row if you don't want to interrupt using your abilities. For instance: how do you use ability 1 or 2 while moving forward & strafing to the left? I'd need three hands for that — and it would still be more difficult than simply mapping the skills to mouse buttons.

JanTanhide

I always have used the Number keys to play ESO. I have a Logitech G502 Hero mouse and G710 keyboard but I only use the buttons on the mouse for light/heavy attacks, blocking, synergizing and bar swapping.

I've completed the hard core Vet DLC dungeons and most Trials in Vet this way. Once you get use to it it is second nature.

I've also soloed every dungeon that can be soloed and some in Vet.

Langeston

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Yes, and I have an MMO mouse. The array of thumb buttons is too awkward. All thumbs shall we say.

Oh, I agree 100% — I doubt I could ever effectively use an MMO mouse. I've used a G9x for the last 8 years or so, & am replacing it with a g502 today. There's really only 6 extra buttons that I use, and they are spread around the mouse. 3 of them are used by my index finger, and 3 by my thumb. They are also different shapes & sizes, so they are easy to differentiate. (Kind of like the steering wheel/gearshift/turn signal/windshield wipers in your car — different shapes, sizes, & locations make it impossible to mistake one for another.)

barney2525

I use 1 - 6, with 6 being ultimate

Never had any problem.

Shawn_PT

I do. Also use double tap for dodge. And a simple 2 button + wheel mouse. I remap a couple of things such as making the sheathing and ulti/shout keys the same as Skyrim but the basics are there. It just takes getting used to.

I personally find it really awkward that people use those gaming mice with far too many buttons. Possibly because I never had one so regular basic ones are all I've ever known.

Langeston wrote: »

Man, I must just really suck. I just don't have the manual dexterity to move and use the number row at the same time. For example: how can you move forward (W) while using ability 2 or 3? Don't both require you to use your middle finger?

You use your ring finger. It's a matter of acquired dexterity.

huntgod_ESO

Nope I've been using a Logitech g600 since it came out in 2012, though I only use the bottom 6 thumb buttons because of how I grip the mouse.

I really like the NAGA Hex idea but am not a fan of Razer products or their config software.

I would be in heaven if Logitech would release a 7 button hex mouse...would also love to see them release a new g13 game board, ideally with mechanical keys.

tahol10069

Langeston wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

I have 2 hands as well. The reason I map 1-5 to my mouse is so I can move & quickly change direction at will with one hand while simultaneously using skills & abilities uninterruptedly with the other.

Even simple movement is much more convoluted using the number row if you don't want to interrupt using your abilities. For instance: how do you use ability 1 or 2 while moving forward & strafing to the left? I'd need three hands for that — and it would still be more difficult than simply mapping the skills to mouse buttons.

Why do you people strafe? I will never understand that. You have a mouse that controls the camera AND your movement. You can turn with it to any direction. I've played games for 15 years and never used D and A.

JKorr

Langeston wrote: »

The first thing I did when I got ESO was bind my skills to the buttons on my mouse. (G9x) I don't have the ability to move with WASD while simultaneously using 1-5 to execute abilities. Well I broke my G9x today trying to clean it, and my G502 will not be here until tomorrow. I logged in to see if I could weather a day using the number row and....LOL, no. Does anyone play that way? I could barely do a delve, let alone any PVPing. If you can, hats off to you — you are a better man than I.

Yep.

Langeston

tahol10069 wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

I have 2 hands as well. The reason I map 1-5 to my mouse is so I can move & quickly change direction at will with one hand while simultaneously using skills & abilities uninterruptedly with the other.

Even simple movement is much more convoluted using the number row if you don't want to interrupt using your abilities. For instance: how do you use ability 1 or 2 while moving forward & strafing to the left? I'd need three hands for that — and it would still be more difficult than simply mapping the skills to mouse buttons.

Why do you people strafe? I will never understand that. You have a mouse that controls the camera AND your movement. You can turn with it to any direction. I've played games for 15 years and never used D and A.

Huh? How does the mouse control movement? Unless I'm missing something, it only controls where I look/aim. And even if it does for you, how do you move to the left or right while accurately aiming & casting abilities that aren't directly in front of you? Only being able to aim in the direction you're facing would be far too limiting for me, especially in PVP. In BGs I spend almost as much time strafing as I do going forward/backward.

Valabrog

Langeston wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

I have 2 hands as well. The reason I map 1-5 to my mouse is so I can move & quickly change direction at will with one hand while simultaneously using skills & abilities uninterruptedly with the other.

Even simple movement is much more convoluted using the number row if you don't want to interrupt using your abilities. For instance: how do you use ability 1 or 2 while moving forward & strafing to the left? I'd need three hands for that — and it would still be more difficult than simply mapping the skills to mouse buttons.

I use mmo mouse for movement - strafe, backward, forward and block. Keyboard for various skills - swap, quickslot, ultima, abilities, la/ha etc etc. It mapped on 1-5, q-t and d-f buttons (square form to be easy to reach without stretching my fingers).

Im used to play mmorpgs with more than 30 spells. Wsd keys for movement I use only for shooters with very few skills.

hregrin

Yeah, I use 1-5+R for abilities. Mouse has LA and block, wheel click for roll-dodge, side buttons for bar swap, synergies and push to talk. There's another side button I don't use since it's too far considering how I hold my mouse. I guess it's a matter of how you learn, as others say. This, plus I like my mice rather compact, so the big ones with a dozen or so buttons on the side are a no from me.

TheImperfect

Yes I use number and arrow keys to play. I'd like to try a mapped mouse but I do wonder how long it takes to get used to.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

I originally played on PC with mouse and keyboard, the mouse being a pretty standard gaming mouse with MB4/5 on the side.

Couldn't do it. Movement was fine but I just couldn't cast to save my life.

Spent months on an Xbox 360 controller as a result.

Eventually though I saved up for a Razer Naga Trinity. Best buy I ever made. Given my lifetime use of console controllers, having all the buttons for my thumb was not only better... I t was natural.

Unplugged my Xbox controller now and play with mouse and keyboard instead.

Razer Naga is awesome. The sensor helps too. Really good one.

Nestor

Yes

1 to 5 for Skills
6 for Ultimate
7 for Quickslot

AcadianPaladin

I don't use the number keys for skills but I do use the keyboard for skills. Pretty heavily remapped.
Skills 1-5 = QWERT. Forward/backward = Space bar/B. Left/right = S/D. That means only two skills potentially conflict with movement and I know that as I choose where to slot skills and as I move.

I tried a Razor mouse with 7 thumb buttons in a circle on the left side but ran into two problems. My thumb got lost and confused in too many buttons and my thumb joint got very sore. So my mouse has only 2 thumb buttons on the left side now and that works fine for synergy/weapon swap.

Sylvermynx

Nope. I can't reach the number keys as my hands are so small. I use the arrow keys to move, swapping off the mouse as needed. I use WASDX for spells/abilities, U for ult. On every character/class - so it doesn't matter who I play, I don't blow stuff (other than that I still have satellite ping issues of course). These are keybinds I've used since the first games I ever played - in 1985.... So yeah, I'm not changing that at this point!

Generally, I don't move a lot because of the ping - by the time I move, I've already had an issue, because even telegraphs are ahead of where I actually "am" in game. Like Nokhailaedhaz - he telegraphs the sword bash/knockback, but my ping won't let me see it in time to avoid it or block it. The trials of satellite....

Loves_guars

Yep, but changed 4 and 5 to E and R. I don't have one of those fancy mouses with million buttons.

Sylvermynx

Loves_guars wrote: »

Yep, but changed 4 and 5 to E and R. I don't have one of those fancy mouses with million buttons.

I don't either, as I'm just not that - coordinated.... I have a three button Logi M100. That's what works for me. Hmmm. I bet it's about time for a new one....

Loves_guars

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Loves_guars wrote: »

Yep, but changed 4 and 5 to E and R. I don't have one of those fancy mouses with million buttons.

I don't either, as I'm just not that - coordinated.... I have a three button Logi M100. That's what works for me. Hmmm. I bet it's about time for a new one....

Yes, I considered it for swtor that has 30+ hotkeys but even there I'm so used to the normal mouse (to be fair my mouse has 2 buttons at one side and that helps a bit, for example I slot dodge and change bar in ESO with those buttons). If you get used to it, I'm sure the mouse with lots of buttons will be better than having to press 1-5, coordinated or not.

What I will never get used to is a gamepad. I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN PLAY WITH THAT!

tahol10069

Langeston wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I have two hands, so why should I use mouse with buttons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So, yeah, I find 1-5 + R quite convenient.

I have 2 hands as well. The reason I map 1-5 to my mouse is so I can move & quickly change direction at will with one hand while simultaneously using skills & abilities uninterruptedly with the other.

Even simple movement is much more convoluted using the number row if you don't want to interrupt using your abilities. For instance: how do you use ability 1 or 2 while moving forward & strafing to the left? I'd need three hands for that — and it would still be more difficult than simply mapping the skills to mouse buttons.

Why do you people strafe? I will never understand that. You have a mouse that controls the camera AND your movement. You can turn with it to any direction. I've played games for 15 years and never used D and A.

Huh? How does the mouse control movement? Unless I'm missing something, it only controls where I look/aim. And even if it does for you, how do you move to the left or right while accurately aiming & casting abilities that aren't directly in front of you? Only being able to aim in the direction you're facing would be far too limiting for me, especially in PVP. In BGs I spend almost as much time strafing as I do going forward/backward.

How does mouse control movement? I don't know, see for yourself? Really, I'm in a situation where I just can't answer to this question because it is so...mind blowing. How is it possible that you can't move your mouse? To me it seems you are so set in your way of doing things you can't get out of that mind set and believe it is the only way to do things and anything else is impossible and doesn't exist.

Many, many people don't strafe.

DuckInRealLife

I use 1-5 for abilities and my MMO mouse for Weapon Swap and Interrupt.

I have Brachydactyly Type D and very small hands as well, so when it comes to mouse keybindings and selecting an MMO mouse I have to be more careful and plan to get a mouse with the biggest buttons closest to the end of the thumb rest.
This is why I use a Steel Series Rival 500, I have 3-4 side buttons in reach and they're all quite big.
Because of this using a mouse for all my skills just isn't possible for me unless I raise my hand upwards into a claw to touch them.

Langeston

tahol10069 wrote: »

How does mouse control movement? I don't know, see for yourself? Really, I'm in a situation where I just can't answer to this question because it is so...mind blowing. How is it possible that you can't move your mouse? To me it seems you are so set in your way of doing things you can't get out of that mind set and believe it is the only way to do things and anything else is impossible and doesn't exist.

Many, many people don't strafe.

Let's do a little experiment: log into ESO & do nothing but move your mouse around — did your toon move anywhere? At all? Nope, the camera moved while your toon remained stationary. Why is that? Because the mouse controls the camera, it does not control movement. If you actually want your toon to move, you need to use either WASD or some other method that you have come up with & bound yourself. By default, W moves you forward, S backwards, and A & D move left & right respectively. Allow me to reiterate: [by default] the mouse controls the camera and WASD controls movement.

As far as you not understanding why people strafe, that's fine. If you're happy only being able to aim & cast abilities in the direction you're moving, more power to ya — I couldn't care less. (And if you haven't figured out why that's incredibly limiting after playing games for 15 years, you likely never will.)

In any case, there's no need to be condescending — especially when you're 100% wrong. Once you've picked your jaw up off the ground from me "blowing your mind," try googling "Dunning-Kruger effect."
Regards

Langeston

DuckInRealLife wrote: »

I use 1-5 for abilities and my MMO mouse for Weapon Swap and Interrupt.

I have Brachydactyly Type D and very small hands as well, so when it comes to mouse keybindings and selecting an MMO mouse I have to be more careful and plan to get a mouse with the biggest buttons closest to the end of the thumb rest.
This is why I use a Steel Series Rival 500, I have 3-4 side buttons in reach and they're all quite big.
Because of this using a mouse for all my skills just isn't possible for me unless I raise my hand upwards into a claw to touch them.

Wow, that is a very nicely laid out mouse, I wish I would have done a bit more research before I bought my G502. It's a great mouse and I'm getting used to it, but I feel like there are probably better options that I don't know about. (I just snapped it up because it's the spiritual successor to my favorite mouse of all time, the G9x. I was pretty sad when I broke it, considering I'd been using it for almost 10 years.)

Minyassa

Yep, but that's kind of my only option, my mouse only has three buttons (and I hate the center wheel as a button so I don't even use that one). If I need to use a skill while running sideways in a circle, I'm using the mouse to steer, the W and A or D key to move diagonally, and the 1-5 keys for skills with ~ being my bar swap and R being my ult. That last thing does commonly make me use my ult on doors, items or quest NPCs, thank goodness we can't kill those. But moving and using a skill just means using my middle finger on W, ring or index on either side key if I need that at the same time, and pinky finger or index on skills. I do have an ergonomic keyboard that is slanted a bit and has a padded front rest on it and I would NEVER be able to function if I had to try to use a teeny little flat laptop keyboard.

tahol10069

Langeston wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

How does mouse control movement? I don't know, see for yourself? Really, I'm in a situation where I just can't answer to this question because it is so...mind blowing. How is it possible that you can't move your mouse? To me it seems you are so set in your way of doing things you can't get out of that mind set and believe it is the only way to do things and anything else is impossible and doesn't exist.

Many, many people don't strafe.

Let's do a little experiment: log into ESO & do nothing but move your mouse around — did your toon move anywhere? At all? Nope, the camera moved while your toon remained stationary. Why is that? Because the mouse controls the camera, it does not control movement. If you actually want your toon to move, you need to use either WASD or some other method that you have come up with & bound yourself. By default, W moves you forward, S backwards, and A & D move left & right respectively. Allow me to reiterate: [by default] the mouse controls the camera and WASD controls movement.

As far as you not understanding why people strafe, that's fine. If you're happy only being able to aim & cast abilities in the direction you're moving, more power to ya — I couldn't care less. (And if you haven't figured out why that's incredibly limiting after playing games for 15 years, you likely never will.)

In any case, there's no need to be condescending — especially when you're 100% wrong. Once you've picked your jaw up off the ground from me "blowing your mind," try googling "Dunning-Kruger effect."
Regards

I give up. Happy Googling to you.

x4livin

yes...I do...