Dizzying Swing Update

LuxLunae

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

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Amazing how one move change can break you... Think about it... if you are dependant on one move... it is most likely OP...

Chilly-McFreeze

LuxLunae wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

[Title edit for click bait.]

Amazing how one move change can break you... Think about it... if you are dependant on one move... it is most likely OP...

Does your sorc depend on Curse?
Does your warden burst depend on Shalks?
Does your magDK depend on Whip?
Do your NBs use any morph of Cloak?

Seems like all those are mostly OP and you depend on cheese, right? Right? No, just a lazy excuse and a lot of glee.

xeha_arwen11

Gnome_Saiyan wrote: »

That's the great thing: you pay for the game once, then never have to spend another dollar on it. Pay once, and you get the opportunity to spend the rest of your life demanding your money's worth.

Nope. You are forced to pay for a monthly subscription on PS4 via PS+ or you CAN'T PLAY THE GAME. I have sunk a disgusting amount of money into this game because of this monthly subscription. It is not worth the money.

StrandedMonkey

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Does your sorc depend on Curse?
Does your warden burst depend on Shalks?
Does your magDK depend on Whip?
Do your NBs use any morph of Cloak?

Seems like all those are mostly OP and you depend on cheese, right? Right? No, just a lazy excuse and a lot of glee.

this person executed a combo/weapon parse successfully and i was not able to recover from it, please nerf him this isnt allowed to be in MY game

Tivnael

ZOS did well, thanks for the balance.

This is what you deserved for exploiting this no brainer.

DreadDaedroth

The knock back was the fun part of the skill at least they could have left it against mobs.

max_only

I was able to finally kill one person with dizzying swing who wasn’t afk on a transitus shrine or siege. I should have recorded it for posterity.

People who stood still during such a long wind up have only themselves to blame.

max_only

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

[Title edit for click bait.]

Amazing how one move change can break you... Think about it... if you are dependant on one move... it is most likely OP...

Does your sorc depend on Curse?
Does your warden burst depend on Shalks?
Does your magDK depend on Whip?
Do your NBs use any morph of Cloak?

Seems like all those are mostly OP and you depend on cheese, right? Right? No, just a lazy excuse and a lot of glee.

No.
No.
No.
What nb? My nb is my fishing character.

Please nerf walking in tight circles and running around trees Zos.

Somber97866

You know I've played more pve than pvp but in PVP I've never had a problem with ppl using or spamming this skill. Ppl spam skills all the time, so what!?!
I've been hit by it and was never like," OMG! This is so unfair! This needs a NERF!"
Lol, I was more like , " SOB got me good! Lol, gonna have to make sure I roll Dodge or block. Need purge on my bar .......what else can I do to combat this......."
Personally the poisons that increase a player's cost of Stam or mag abilities is what makes me not want to play PVP. It's the only thing I've ever wanted removed from the game. But the knock back from one skill..........it's a sad day when ZOS bends to the will of a bunch of criers of a skill that could be seen coming a mile away and avoided with a little L2P mentality and playstyle.
Btw I don't care a whole lot about PVP but never felt from the times I've played that this is what made it unenjoyable. Now the lag, latency and random load screens and the cost poisons that's what burns me up. But that's just me

Demra

Goregrinder wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

I guess you'll have to see if you are any good without it. If you are a decent player it shouldn't stop you, but if you can't I guess it was a crutch.

Yup, if you suddenly can't get kills without old DS, then it was carrying you.

I got more kills without ds, that's not the issue... it was last fun skill i had in the game. Over the past 2 years out of the 5 skills i enjoyed using only 1 left. If the combat is not fun why bother playing? Just for ap?

ArchMikem

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

A very needed balance change to a once broken skill. I'm sad for the people who had fun with such a flawed mechanic but they will need to adjust and play on the same ground as everyone else.

Was the change that they got rid of the knock back?

If that's a yes, then I think it was a buff for everyone else, frickin hate that. Dizzy Swing spammers just keep hitting that button until I run out of Stamina blocking it or get thrown into the air from it.

Tatanko

VelimOrthic wrote: »

I thought this would be about the fact that it DOES NOT set enemies off balance like it still says it's supposed to do. It does not change the status of an enemy one tiny bit. Obviously this is unintended (for anyone who can read what the skill says it's supposed to do in the game) and I hope that they fix it soon. Because right at this moment the skill is completely BROKEN.

I was wondering about this. I don't use DS in dungeons/trials, but I do use it for overland and PvP. When I was using it yesterday after the patch, it seemed like all it was doing was hitting hard and nothing else -- this explains why it felt so gutless.

teladoy

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

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Sorry man, but I agree with the nerf. I used to kill people like nothing spamming this skill, knocking them back and then executing them without stop till they finally die.

It was sick and in my opinion it was miracle that they never change this skill before in all these years.

Good enough that it could be enjoyable for all those who likes to just abuse instead of fair play.

StrandedMonkey

teladoy wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

[Title edit for click bait.]

Sorry man, but I agree with the nerf. I used to kill people like nothing spamming this skill, knocking them back and then executing them without stop till they finally die.

It was sick and in my opinion it was miracle that they never change this skill before in all these years.

Good enough that it could be enjoyable for all those who likes to just abuse instead of fair play.

yea i think youre wrong

Canned_Apples

teladoy wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

As of today, I StrandedMonkey of the eso player base and forum posters will never spend a dollar on eso again.

i am the consumer and i am extremely outraged by the dizzying swing nerf
my opinion is just as valid as yours

discuss

[Title edit for click bait.]

Sorry man, but I agree with the nerf. I used to kill people like nothing spamming this skill, knocking them back and then executing them without stop till they finally die.

It was sick and in my opinion it was miracle that they never change this skill before in all these years.

Good enough that it could be enjoyable for all those who likes to just abuse instead of fair play.

The skills was actually "okay" before they buffed the damage, reduced the cast time, and sped up the animation.
If they hadn't tampered with it- then it wouldn't have needed to be reeled in.

khajiitNPC

Lol. New Dizzy Swing is awesome! [removed baiting comment]

spartaxoxo

I tried out Dizzying Swing on console while leveling my sub 50 hero to get caltrops and vigor. I was amazed at how much easier it was than every other sub 50 toon I made. I can't say it wasn't fun but I'm not surprised it got nerfed.

ESTyll13

Game going so downhill

beadabow

I am yet to be 100% frustrated/angry/emotional/heartbroken/confused/outraged by any of the changes over the past two years, but I do get close to 60 - 70% at times. Still, I always seem to find a silver lining in the new batch of "Look what we did to your game!" The silver linings of the most recent changes are there. The tricky part is finding them.

As I looked at the broken shell of what used to be one of my best characters, I blew the dirt and dust off of her twisted frame and went to work. After many changes, experiments with different set pairs, CP tweaking and multiple parses, I found she was doing better dps after the changes than before. Some of the discoveries I made during the process probably would have not occurred had the developers not forced some real creative thinking out of me for wrecking her (what I always felt was a) decent build with their changes- one of which included dizzying swing in her parse. So the silver lining here was these changes forced me to take some action to adapt again. And I did.

I don't think the developers are making the changes to destroy the game. I think they are trying to keep it interesting for what they believe to be the majority of players and their playing styles. Unfortunately, it is probably near impossible to please everyone- myself included. But do try to find the silver linings of your own. After all, you probably put a lot of time and effort into this game, because you enjoyed it. You might make a few new discoveries along the way.

Dr_Ganknstein

See people this is what happens when you crutch on an ability for too long.

Haquor

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK wrote: »

And to be fair I'm going to parse my top end golded out toons, if I've been nerfed as hard as what is being said I will delete all my toons and just have 1 for the stories, once completed I'll delete and forget this game... it's going down a steep sloppy hill... I have spent absolutely tons of cash on this game and I dont appreciate ZoS ruining my fun inside the game... I absolutely LOVED this game before morrowind, then adapted the nerfs, then nerfs came again and I left for about 3 or 4 months and now I came back a month or so back and now it's getting worse...

Deleted everything yet? Bet you wont.

Somber97866

Why didn't they put a cooldown on the knock back like major vitality?

Somber97866

You swing, they block it and you can cast it again but you only get damage out of the skill for the next 3-5 sec. Per player

Somber97866

Or make it only knock back on the 3rd cast

StrandedMonkey

Somber97866 wrote: »

Or make it only knock back on the 3rd cast

i think it should have stun on knockback like some other weapon skill lines

Canned_Apples

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Or make it only knock back on the 3rd cast

i think it should have stun on knockback like some other weapon skill lines

those deal less damage.

Goregrinder

Demra wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

I guess you'll have to see if you are any good without it. If you are a decent player it shouldn't stop you, but if you can't I guess it was a crutch.

Yup, if you suddenly can't get kills without old DS, then it was carrying you.

I got more kills without ds, that's not the issue... it was last fun skill i had in the game. Over the past 2 years out of the 5 skills i enjoyed using only 1 left. If the combat is not fun why bother playing? Just for ap?

Good, so not being able to spam it win shouldn't even be an issue for you at all. The good news is, now you don't have to worry about running it on your builds, you have a free slot for other things!

StrandedMonkey

Goregrinder wrote: »

Good, so not being able to spam it win shouldn't even be an issue for you at all. The good news is, now you don't have to worry about running it on your builds, you have a free slot for other things!

what can i slot

Demra

Goregrinder wrote: »

Demra wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

I guess you'll have to see if you are any good without it. If you are a decent player it shouldn't stop you, but if you can't I guess it was a crutch.

Yup, if you suddenly can't get kills without old DS, then it was carrying you.

I got more kills without ds, that's not the issue... it was last fun skill i had in the game. Over the past 2 years out of the 5 skills i enjoyed using only 1 left. If the combat is not fun why bother playing? Just for ap?

Good, so not being able to spam it win shouldn't even be an issue for you at all. The good news is, now you don't have to worry about running it on your builds, you have a free slot for other things!

Did you not read? There is a problem, it is not tied to winning. What skill should a 2hander use than?

wild_kmacdb16_ESO

max_only wrote: »

I was able to finally kill one person with dizzying swing who wasn’t afk on a transitus shrine or siege. I should have recorded it for posterity.

People who stood still during such a long wind up have only themselves to blame.

Can you and the other DS lovers please stop acting like a 0.8 second, uninterruptible wind up is significant in any capacity.

For the record, I'm actually in favor of keeping the knockback, but reducing the damage and increasing the cast time to more around 1.5s or leaving it at 0.8 and making it interruptible