Piercing Cold magden passive buffed in PTS and not mentioned in patch notes.

nesakinter

Noticed there was a significant buff to Piercing Cold passive in PTS.

On live - Increases Magic and Frost damage by 5%
On PTS - Increases Magic and Frost damage by 10%

I hope this is intended and not a bug

hakan

i believe its in the patch notes. dont remember which one though.

Btw patch will drop Monday?

Arjuna1696

Woah, this would be huge, and somewhat identity-building. Can anyone confirm this buff?

WrathOfInnos

Yes, it is definitely 10% on PTS. Pretty cool buff TBH, and Magden seems to be the only class where Degeneration is still worth using because of this passive (maybe also Magcro with their DoT increase?). It’s also helped to make Winter’s Revenge viable again.

Unfortunately Magden still seems to be slightly behind other Magicka DPS. I’ve seen Magcro, MagDK, Magblade, and Magsorc outparse it on PTS this week. Though the gap is smaller than in some other patches.

Nordic__Knights

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Yes, it is definitely 10% on PTS. Pretty cool buff TBH, and Magden seems to be the only class where Degeneration is still worth using because of this passive (maybe also Magcro with their DoT increase?). It’s also helped to make Winter’s Revenge viable again.

Unfortunately Magden still seems to be slightly behind other Magicka DPS. I’ve seen Magcro, MagDK, Magblade, and Magsorc outparse it on PTS this week. Though the gap is smaller than in some other patches.

Do you know if the testing was focused on cold damage or other areas as i have an frost build and this looks good for her when it hit ps4

_Ahala_

Now if only warden had some reliable frost damage dealing skills in winters revenge we would be good on identity... expansive frost cloak, frozen gate, and arctic blast (yes, the new one) need a rework or two

Nordic__Knights

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Now if only warden had some reliable frost damage dealing skills in winters revenge we would be good on identity... expansive frost cloak, frozen gate, and arctic blast (yes, the new one) need a rework or two

This passive should apply to ALL frost damage no matter where it comes from so all frost damage skills get its buff

WrathOfInnos

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Yes, it is definitely 10% on PTS. Pretty cool buff TBH, and Magden seems to be the only class where Degeneration is still worth using because of this passive (maybe also Magcro with their DoT increase?). It’s also helped to make Winter’s Revenge viable again.

Unfortunately Magden still seems to be slightly behind other Magicka DPS. I’ve seen Magcro, MagDK, Magblade, and Magsorc outparse it on PTS this week. Though the gap is smaller than in some other patches.

Do you know if the testing was focused on cold damage or other areas as i have an frost build and this looks good for her when it hit ps4

@Nordic__Knights Just Winter’s Revenge. I haven’t seen any builds using more Frost Damage than this one skill.

Nordic__Knights

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Yes, it is definitely 10% on PTS. Pretty cool buff TBH, and Magden seems to be the only class where Degeneration is still worth using because of this passive (maybe also Magcro with their DoT increase?). It’s also helped to make Winter’s Revenge viable again.

Unfortunately Magden still seems to be slightly behind other Magicka DPS. I’ve seen Magcro, MagDK, Magblade, and Magsorc outparse it on PTS this week. Though the gap is smaller than in some other patches.

Do you know if the testing was focused on cold damage or other areas as i have an frost build and this looks good for her when it hit ps4

@Nordic__Knights Just Winter’s Revenge. I haven’t seen any builds using more Frost Damage than this one skill.

I use it along with blockade/clench/ icy rage or permafrost on my build with frost staff/ s&b

Canned_Apples

New Arctic Blast is garbage. Worthless skill.

Back to the drawing board @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam

ESO_Nightingale

Yeah i posted this on warden feedback last night. I'm not sure how i feel

LeHarrt91

Although there are limited frost skills, I think its a good little buff for MagDen.

ESO_Nightingale

Canned_Apples wrote: »

New Arctic Blast is garbage. Worthless skill.

Back to the drawing board @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam

AB4.0 could totally fix that

MashmalloMan

I've been saying this crap for ages. They need to increase the special damage types per class and completely GUT CP so it actually matters. Maybe we will see Mag Den's with Frost Wall or Mag Sorcs with Shock Wall.. eventually.. CP dilutes class diversity and serves no purpose other than to hold back new players and make old content irellivant for veteran players. CP multipliers sounds exciting at first till you realize no matter what build you use, you always have roughly the same statisitcal advantage at cap due to diminishing returns. It serves little purpose then to equalize the differences between classes.

Lastly, if they continue in this direction, something like Spell Crafting becomes more viable. With CP and the minimal differences between damage types and classes, we're stuck with a scenario where EVERY class would choose the same OP fire dot spell.. but with damage type specialization, you'd get bis frost spell for mag den, bis shock spell for sorc, bis poison spell, ETC.

At least from a pve perspective.

Question: Did they buff Sorc's 5% physical/shock to 10% too? It would be a change in the right direction!

Canned_Apples

Guess it's time farm a Master's Frost staff? -at least for pvp

It does slightly more damage than Elemental Weapon/Dive/Force Pulse, with the new passive.

LeHarrt91

Canned_Apples wrote: »

Guess it's time farm a Master's Frost staff? -at least for pvp

It does slightly more damage than Elemental Weapon/Dive/Force Pulse, with the new passive.

Could you please link a screenshot?

Faulgor

Depending on burning uptime, this might make backbar Frost instead of Inferno Staff quite viable for magden.

HowlKimchi

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I've been saying this crap for ages. They need to increase the special damage types per class and completely GUT CP so it actually matters. Maybe we will see Mag Den's with Frost Wall or Mag Sorcs with Shock Wall.. eventually.. CP dilutes class diversity and serves no purpose other than to hold back new players and make old content irellivant for veteran players. CP multipliers sounds exciting at first till you realize no matter what build you use, you always have roughly the same statisitcal advantage at cap due to diminishing returns. It serves little purpose then to equalize the differences between classes.

Lastly, if they continue in this direction, something like Spell Crafting becomes more viable. With CP and the minimal differences between damage types and classes, we're stuck with a scenario where EVERY class would choose the same OP fire dot spell.. but with damage type specialization, you'd get bis frost spell for mag den, bis shock spell for sorc, bis poison spell, ETC.

At least from a pve perspective.

Question: Did they buff Sorc's 5% physical/shock to 10% too? It would be a change in the right direction!

I agree with this but on the other hand you need CP to clear the hardest content in the game, and we'll still need some sort of progression past CP160.

Raising the max armor level is definitely a no though, so what's a good alternative? Maybe keep CP but rework it to be less stat focused?

ESO_Nightingale

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Question: Did they buff Sorc's 5% physical/shock to 10% too? It would be a change in the right direction!

No i checked that because i thought it might have been a standardisation buff. Sorc's is still 5% at Rank II

LeHarrt91

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Question: Did they buff Sorc's 5% physical/shock to 10% too? It would be a change in the right direction!

No i checked that because i thought it might have been a standardisation buff. Sorc's is still 5% at Rank II

Yeah but they also get spell damage for any sorc skill slotted. which most of their class skills do shock damage.

ESO_Nightingale

Arjuna1696 wrote: »

Woah, this would be huge, and somewhat identity-building. Can anyone confirm this buff?

yeah it is.

Canned_Apples

@LeHarrt91
No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

LiquidPony

Be interesting to see a list of combat related changes not covered in the patch notes.

Off the top of my head, Rapid Strikes scales with MaA CP now, and the Warden Bear ulti is (finally) boosted by Bloodthirsty. I'm sure there are others.

ESO_Nightingale

LiquidPony wrote: »

and the Warden Bear ulti is (finally) boosted by Bloodthirsty. I'm sure there are others.

really? do you have evidence of that?

ESO_Nightingale

Canned_Apples wrote: »

@LeHarrt91
No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

yeah i just did a little pts testing with a frostden build. my frost reach tooltip was like 8900 and my ele weapon was 10,000. dive was like 100 above ele weapon.

note:

sets used were Iceheart, Perf False God and Winterborn frontbar with Mael Back.

Master's reach was: Iceheart, Perf False God, Master frontbar, Mael back and Willpower jewels.

LiquidPony

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

and the Warden Bear ulti is (finally) boosted by Bloodthirsty. I'm sure there are others.

really? do you have evidence of that?

I can take some screenshots later.

AFAIK it's the only pet, permanent or temporary, that gets boosted by Bloodthirsty. Very inconsistent. Necro Blastbones and Archer/Mage don't, sorc pets don't. Unsure of NB Dark Shade but haven't actually tested.

But it's only the bear ulti attack, not the auto attack, that gets buffed.

Nordic__Knights

LiquidPony wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

and the Warden Bear ulti is (finally) boosted by Bloodthirsty. I'm sure there are others.

really? do you have evidence of that?

I can take some screenshots later.

AFAIK it's the only pet, permanent or temporary, that gets boosted by Bloodthirsty. Very inconsistent. Necro Blastbones and Archer/Mage don't, sorc pets don't. Unsure of NB Dark Shade but haven't actually tested.

But it's only the bear ulti attack, not the auto attack, that gets buffed.

with it not buffing 100% and only 1 part it sounds more like an bug then something added by team

Canned_Apples

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

@LeHarrt91
No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

yeah i just did a little pts testing with a frostden build. my frost reach tooltip was like 8900 and my ele weapon was 10,000. dive was like 100 above ele weapon.

note:

sets used were Iceheart, Perf False God and Winterborn frontbar with Mael Back.

Master's reach was: Iceheart, Perf False God, Master frontbar, Mael back and Willpower jewels.

Doesn't work if you don't use the same sets.

ESO_Nightingale

Canned_Apples wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

@LeHarrt91
No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

yeah i just did a little pts testing with a frostden build. my frost reach tooltip was like 8900 and my ele weapon was 10,000. dive was like 100 above ele weapon.

note:

sets used were Iceheart, Perf False God and Winterborn frontbar with Mael Back.

Master's reach was: Iceheart, Perf False God, Master frontbar, Mael back and Willpower jewels.

Doesn't work if you don't use the same sets.

sure but master's staff is a set so i can't exactly do it on a full build.

LeHarrt91

Canned_Apples wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

yeah i just did a little pts testing with a frostden build. my frost reach tooltip was like 8900 and my ele weapon was 10,000. dive was like 100 above ele weapon.

note:

sets used were Iceheart, Perf False God and Winterborn frontbar with Mael Back.

Master's reach was: Iceheart, Perf False God, Master frontbar, Mael back and Willpower jewels.

Doesn't work if you don't use the same sets.

it also doesnt work of you are using a master staff while trying to buff ele weapn, force pulse and scr. they dont get bonuses from the Master Staff.

Canned_Apples

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

@LeHarrt91
No, that requires too much work and effort on my end. The patch also drops tomorrow.
Naked with no cp and only Master's + fish food
Frost Reach - 4592 + dot
Force Pulse - 3658
Elemental Weapon - 4000
Dive - 4000 (4600 at max range)

yeah i just did a little pts testing with a frostden build. my frost reach tooltip was like 8900 and my ele weapon was 10,000. dive was like 100 above ele weapon.

note:

sets used were Iceheart, Perf False God and Winterborn frontbar with Mael Back.

Master's reach was: Iceheart, Perf False God, Master frontbar, Mael back and Willpower jewels.

Doesn't work if you don't use the same sets.

sure but master's staff is a set so i can't exactly do it on a full build.

filler+lich+master/willpower?