[LibCustomTitles.lua] BEFORE you saw this poll...

albesca

starkerealm wrote: »

Now, I am fairly smart, and can parse lua when I read it, but I'm not some kind of computer god. That is not intended to be readable. While I'm fairly certain, given a little time, I could brute force something out of that, it's a lot of effort for, basically, trivia.

42 lines of Python code (could have done with less, but why bother) and half a hour of my time yelded these three lists of titles:

English titles

Herder of Cats
Master of Writs
The One True
Last Ayleid King
The Doyen
The Benefactor
Guildmaster
Gryphon Fart
Architect
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Archmagister
Absolutely Not Suspicious
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Guardian
Quartermaster
Stormhold Mercenary
Potato Masher
Sanguine Rose
Fluffy Paws Fighty Claws
Mudball Maven
Very Angry
Dragon Spirit
Garlic Connoisseur
Sandbag Master
Fistikli Baklava
Great Sage, Equal of Heaven
Stonecutter
Healer of the Weak
The Zerg Conductor
Servant of Goddess Glitter
Adder of Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Rocketeer
|ca65cffLightning Form|r
Peacekeeper
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Songweaver
The Golden Saint
Imperial Battlemage
Speaker for the Dead
The Assembly General
The Swole Patrol
The Gifted
Dragon Slayer
Bachelas BFF
Top Priority
Dark Emerald
Wandering Adventurer
Artificer of Zenithar
Master of Memes
Ginger
Merciless Resolve
Mentor
Stormbreaker
Divine Executioner
Silver Zerg Surfer
Guardian Angel
Scrubtastic Carebear
FG1 Progression Team
The Living Shadow
One Man Army
Strong Smelling Orc
Lady of the South Island
The Loremaster
Cakes By The Ocean
Coaxes Metal
The Honorable
The Bogeyman
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
The Ripper
Skooma Addict
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
The Methodical
The Simon Express
Wipes on Trash
|cFF0000Soul Reaper|r
Javelin of Stendarr
Protector of the Realm
|c800080Cloud Chaser|r
Dream Killer
The Flawless Gladiator
Guardian of the Galaxy
Mistress of the Dark
Enterprising Memelord
Disband Disband Disband
Tea Maker
Worthy

French titles

L'immortel
Le Vrai
Le Doyen
Le Bienfaiteur
Guildmaster
Architecte
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Carrément pas Suspect
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Mercenaire de Fort-Tempête
Masher de Pommes de Terre
Fluffy Paws Fighty Claws
Mudball Maven
Très en colère
Dragon Spirit
Connoisseur l'ail
Canne Baklava
Grand Saint gal du Ciel
Guérisseur des Faibles
Le Chef Zerg
Additionneur de Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Soldat de la Paix
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Tisseur de Chanson
Le Saint d'Or
Battlemage Impérial
Chasseur de Dragon
Priorité
Emeraude Sombre
Artificier de Zenithar
Ma7tre des Mèmes
Rouquin
Résolution Impitoyable
Divin Bourreau
Argent Surfeur Zerg
Ange Gardien
FG1 Progression Team
L'ombre Vivante
Un Homme Armée
Dame de l'Ile du Sud
Loremaster
G teau au Bord de L'océan
Coaxes Métal
L'Honorable
Le Croque-mitaine
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
L'Eventreur
Le Skooma Addict
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
Le Simon Express
|cFF0000Soul Reaper|r
Javelot de Stendarr
|c800080Nuage Chasse|r
Tueur de Rêve
Gladiateur Implacable
Oiseau du Malheur
Disband Disband Disband

German titles

Undying
Der Eine Wahre
Der Doyen
Der Wohltäter
Guildmaster
Architekt
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Absolut Nicht Verdächtig
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Sturmfeste Söldner
Kartoffelstampfer
Sanguines Rose
Schlammball Maven
Sehr wütend
Dragon Spirit
Knoblauch-Kenner
Zuckerrohr Baklava
Großer Heiliger Himmel
Heiler der Schwachen
Der Zerg Dirigent
Addierer von Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Friedenswächter
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Liedweber
Der Goldene Heilige
Imperialer Kampfmagier
Drachentöter
Kunsthandwerker von Zenithar
Meister der Memes
Rotkopf
Gnadenlose Entschlossenheit
Göttlicher Scharfrichter
Silber Zerg Surfer
Schutzengel
FG1 Progression Team
Der Rastlose Schatten
Ein-mann-armee
Stark Miefender Ork
Dame der Südinsel
Loremaster
Kuchen am Meer
Koaxes Metall
Die Ehrhaften
Der Buhmann
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
Der Aufreißer
Skooma Abhängigen
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
Der Simon Express
|cFF0000L'Ankou|r
Speerwurf von Stendarr
|c800080Wolkenjäger|r
Traum-Killer
Enterprising Memelord
Teekocher

I have no experience with lua nor with eso scripting, but from what I can gather some of these titles should display in a custom color (the ones prefixed by "|c" and an RGB color code, the trailing "|r" I assume serves to go back to default color in following text)

Lauranae

kamimark wrote: »

Lauranae wrote: »

You can also act as someone mature and get your opinion listened by not insulting people. Until know this thread that we agree or disagree was at least polite. May be keep it like this

You are extremely defensive about this, which tells me you either publish an addon which is infected, or you have a title (well, both in that case). I guess I could edit the thing to list out all the titles and names, maybe see which one you are.

First i would say you are rather agressive.

1 - no i do not create addon, i dont know enough of LUA for that. If you were interested really in this whole addon war you would have go on the ESOUI site. The one from which we download the addons. And if you want my name on this site here it is : Anceane.
You will find posts comments from me allowing you probably to go on the more on wanting to ennoying me, BUT no addons.

2 - if you did read before i deleted my post, i never hide that the title i have is Dark Emerald
I even explained that this title was asked because it its the name of my personal guild and i wanted for rp reason this one show rather than a name guild that i dont like (hear me well i love the guils i am in, but for rp purpose their names are not what i want to show)
So i replaced Volunteer by Dark Emerald
No secret no conspiracy

I even told in the first message that i was understanding that some do not like this addon.

I just did not like false accusation, insults and more.

You can edit what you want i do not care at all, nore have something to hide.

Now if you would like to stop bothering me i would appreciate.

As i doubt you will stop to bother me, i just ignored you for now. At least i can be far from your drama

LadyNalcarya

nordmarian wrote: »

@LadyNalcarya

One negative aspect ot the usage of this add-on and especially the way he is injected with or without knowledge into other major popular add-ons is that it promote elitism and ego. And this alone influences people decisions to join and also promote a bit too much toxicity, pressure, negativity and drama in such teams and among friends.

The limited availability will only make the situation worse.

This isn't a fight against authors, add-on developers (which even myself helped some with beta testings and suggestions), nor people whom contributed enough to this community. I do have my thanks to every single one of them because I was also helped by their contributions in many ways. This is a fight against the sole ego that stripped me the chance to raid among my best friend and eventually made her leave this game and caused me a lot of grief.

I don't know, maybe I was doing something wrong, but back when I played with "elitist" guilds, some people did have custom titles, I could've gotten one too if I wanted (I don't really care about titles, though). Mocking others because they don't have them is not as common as you claim.
So my point is, no one in their right mind would abandon their friends over something as measly as a line of text in a video game that isn't even visible for many people. Friendship means something more than being on someone's contact list, after all.
No offence, but I think you're taking this stuff a bit too seriously.

P.S. as for requirements, Custom Titles addon decription says this:
"Obtaining a Custom Title:
If you would like a custom title, you must fulfill ONE of the following requirements:

You are max +100 CP (Currently 910 CP)
OR you have over 100 days played on a character
OR have 22.5k achievement points
OR you have contributed to the ESO community in a non trivial way. e.g. Streamer, GM of a large guild, Add-on developer, etc."
I doesn't say that you have to be friends with supposed elitists or anything like that, and many of the long-time players already meet the first and the third criteria (and one only need one).

Jayman1000

Here's an addon that disables custom titles.

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1765-DisableCustomTitles.html

starkerealm

albesca wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Now, I am fairly smart, and can parse lua when I read it, but I'm not some kind of computer god. That is not intended to be readable. While I'm fairly certain, given a little time, I could brute force something out of that, it's a lot of effort for, basically, trivia.

42 lines of Python code (could have done with less, but why bother) and half a hour of my time yelded these three lists of titles:

English titles

Herder of Cats
Master of Writs
The One True
Last Ayleid King
The Doyen
The Benefactor
Guildmaster
Gryphon Fart
Architect
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Archmagister
Absolutely Not Suspicious
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Guardian
Quartermaster
Stormhold Mercenary
Potato Masher
Sanguine Rose
Fluffy Paws Fighty Claws
Mudball Maven
Very Angry
Dragon Spirit
Garlic Connoisseur
Sandbag Master
Fistikli Baklava
Great Sage, Equal of Heaven
Stonecutter
Healer of the Weak
The Zerg Conductor
Servant of Goddess Glitter
Adder of Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Rocketeer
|ca65cffLightning Form|r
Peacekeeper
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Songweaver
The Golden Saint
Imperial Battlemage
Speaker for the Dead
The Assembly General
The Swole Patrol
The Gifted
Dragon Slayer
Bachelas BFF
Top Priority
Dark Emerald
Wandering Adventurer
Artificer of Zenithar
Master of Memes
Ginger
Merciless Resolve
Mentor
Stormbreaker
Divine Executioner
Silver Zerg Surfer
Guardian Angel
Scrubtastic Carebear
FG1 Progression Team
The Living Shadow
One Man Army
Strong Smelling Orc
Lady of the South Island
The Loremaster
Cakes By The Ocean
Coaxes Metal
The Honorable
The Bogeyman
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
The Ripper
Skooma Addict
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
The Methodical
The Simon Express
Wipes on Trash
|cFF0000Soul Reaper|r
Javelin of Stendarr
Protector of the Realm
|c800080Cloud Chaser|r
Dream Killer
The Flawless Gladiator
Guardian of the Galaxy
Mistress of the Dark
Enterprising Memelord
Disband Disband Disband
Tea Maker
Worthy

French titles

L'immortel
Le Vrai
Le Doyen
Le Bienfaiteur
Guildmaster
Architecte
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Carrément pas Suspect
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Mercenaire de Fort-Tempête
Masher de Pommes de Terre
Fluffy Paws Fighty Claws
Mudball Maven
Très en colère
Dragon Spirit
Connoisseur l'ail
Canne Baklava
Grand Saint gal du Ciel
Guérisseur des Faibles
Le Chef Zerg
Additionneur de Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Soldat de la Paix
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Tisseur de Chanson
Le Saint d'Or
Battlemage Impérial
Chasseur de Dragon
Priorité
Emeraude Sombre
Artificier de Zenithar
Ma7tre des Mèmes
Rouquin
Résolution Impitoyable
Divin Bourreau
Argent Surfeur Zerg
Ange Gardien
FG1 Progression Team
L'ombre Vivante
Un Homme Armée
Dame de l'Ile du Sud
Loremaster
G teau au Bord de L'océan
Coaxes Métal
L'Honorable
Le Croque-mitaine
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
L'Eventreur
Le Skooma Addict
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
Le Simon Express
|cFF0000Soul Reaper|r
Javelot de Stendarr
|c800080Nuage Chasse|r
Tueur de Rêve
Gladiateur Implacable
Oiseau du Malheur
Disband Disband Disband

German titles

Undying
Der Eine Wahre
Der Doyen
Der Wohltäter
Guildmaster
Architekt
RNGoddess
Seal Boi
Absolut Nicht Verdächtig
LGC Argonian Lover
Bloodthirsty
Sturmfeste Söldner
Kartoffelstampfer
Sanguines Rose
Schlammball Maven
Sehr wütend
Dragon Spirit
Knoblauch-Kenner
Zuckerrohr Baklava
Großer Heiliger Himmel
Heiler der Schwachen
Der Zerg Dirigent
Addierer von Ons
Resto-in-Disguise
The Elder Dragon
Friedenswächter
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Liedweber
Der Goldene Heilige
Imperialer Kampfmagier
Drachentöter
Kunsthandwerker von Zenithar
Meister der Memes
Rotkopf
Gnadenlose Entschlossenheit
Göttlicher Scharfrichter
Silber Zerg Surfer
Schutzengel
FG1 Progression Team
Der Rastlose Schatten
Ein-mann-armee
Stark Miefender Ork
Dame der Südinsel
Loremaster
Kuchen am Meer
Koaxes Metall
Die Ehrhaften
Der Buhmann
La Conquérante pas Implaquable
Der Aufreißer
Skooma Abhängigen
|cff69b4Desu Desu |r
Der Simon Express
|cFF0000L'Ankou|r
Speerwurf von Stendarr
|c800080Wolkenjäger|r
Traum-Killer
Enterprising Memelord
Teekocher

I have no experience with lua nor with eso scripting, but from what I can gather some of these titles should display in a custom color (the ones prefixed by "|c" and an RGB color code, the trailing "|r" I assume serves to go back to default color in following text)

Yeah, if you hadn't said something, the RGB codes were immediately apparent. But, thanks for taking the hit with Python.

starkerealm

danno8 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Malware = Malicious Software, tell me what is malicous about this?

Yes it incepts game data but most useful add-ons do, should all of them be scrutinized too? Tell me what add-ons you use.

I think you would have to admit it does a couple of things that mimics malware behaviour.

1. Installed along with another program without knowledge of user (for some addons)
2. Performs a function that is not a part of the parameters of the original software

What it does NOT do (which would preclude it from being Malware in my opinion) is attempt to mislead the user into any kind of monetary loss for them or gain for the author.

The authors could just state clearly what it does and provide an optional link. I would personally install it separately if I had the choice as a reward for addon authors and all they do for the addon community.

Technically, that clause isn't necessary for something to be malware. A lot of viruses have been designed around prank or novelty objectives over the years. The ones we tend to focus on now are ones designed with outright criminal intent, but, it's not a mandatory component.

This kind of, "easter egg," manipulation of data is still malicious, even it's not harmful.

I guess that depends on your definition and how broad you make it. Looking on the web, basically every definition you run into states that the malware has to cause extensive damage, or is working against you in some way. It would be a pretty big leap to say libcustomtitles does this or is in the same league as, say, Wannacry ransomware.

Yeah, not even remotely in the same league as malware designed for criminal applications. This is more in line with the prank programs that used to float around, like the one that would randomly teleport the mouse cursor around the screen.

It's not analogous to ransomware.

starkerealm

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

P.S. as for requirements, Custom Titles addon decription says this:
"Obtaining a Custom Title:
If you would like a custom title, you must fulfill ONE of the following requirements:

You are max +100 CP (Currently 910 CP)
OR you have over 100 days played on a character
OR have 22.5k achievement points
OR you have contributed to the ESO community in a non trivial way. e.g. Streamer, GM of a large guild, Add-on developer, etc."
It doesn't say that you have to be friends with supposed elitists or anything like that, and many of the long-time players already meet the first and the third criteria (and one only need one).

@LadyNalcarya, in @nordmarian's defense, it sounds like they had a seriously scarring experience with some people they used to run with. I don't know who's fault that was, and I'm not inclined to speculate, but, it cost them friends. It also sounds like, for whatever reason, Nord does not have the social skills necessary to adequately articulate their experience. Again, not going to speculate why, might just not be their skill set. At that point, they've cited this addon as causal, which, I agree with you, I don't think it is. I don't think it was, "we have custom titles, therefore we're better than you."

However, having dealt with some of the custom title holders from back in the era when Ayantir was running it? I could absolutely believe that they shoved Nord under a bus, and damaged their friendship with someone. Not because of this addon, but because of the personal character of individuals involved. Now, I'm not saying everyone who held a title back then was a dumpster fire, just the ones I've interacted with who stuck out were. At that point, the title thing sounds more a symptom than the disease.

Back then, what Nord's been describing, about how to get yourself on the custom title holders list, was accurate. You got your title because you knew Ayantir. The current requirements, which @Dolgubon created, are much more egalitarian, and open to anyone who meets those requirements. (Hell, I meet three of them. The only one I'm missing is play time on a character, because I've spent too much time on my alts.)

On the subject of the friendship, "lost." I mean, I could see it. I've been in a situation where a guild tried to put a wedge between myself and my significant other, and it did damage our relationship for a time. We made it through that, though it did involve leaving that MMO entirely. It's not impossible that a bad encounter with elitists can completely destroy relationships, and being in that situation sucks. At that point, it's not unreasonable for Nord to look to any possible cause to blame it. Especially if the actual factors are more complicated. Thinking back to my experience, some of the blame did rest with both of us. We did not communicate what we were experiencing to eachother until it was a serious problem. Given Nord's social skills, for them, that could have been disastrous.

They have some sympathy from me. Also some suspicion. But, it does sound like they got a bad deal. Not because of this addon, though.

ThePedge

Which doesn't actually do anything. Because that's only on your system. It's the moment when you decide to sneak that little "trick" into another piece of software so that other people will see it that things get way less forgivable. Note: Will, not, can.

No, mines not part of the distributed package, however most of the AddOns on ESOUI tell you it comes with it.

Aside from the part where it's installed without your consent, it's entire purpose is to lie to you in game

.

Doesn't constitute as malicious, more like "bloatware", think of everything installed when you buy a HP laptop that you spend hours uninstalling. The code is literally there for you to see, it is not deceiving you or hiding it's purpose.

I don't think you understand. It's not that addons "intercept," data. It's that this addon intentionally misrepresents data.

When you look at Ayantir, this addon tells you that his title is, "The Enlightened." Assuming you do not know the addon exists, and do not have an obsessive familiarity with the titles, your assumption will be that his title is legitimate. That he has done something cool, worthy of that title. However, he did not earn that title, instead he simply wrote code to give himself that title, so he could feel badass about it, and win unearned respect from strangers.

It literally does. When the game loads in assets, the add-on says "can I see this UserID, Character Name(optional) and Title(optional), if so display this title instead"

Do what I did when I first saw the title "Master Zerg Surfer"; looked it up, didn't exist. Searched "Custom Titles" tada I found the add-on.

All people want is something unique to them, I don't want to be running around with the same "Master Wizard" title another 5 million players have.

It's harmless fun, doesn't break ToS, doesn't let you fake rare achievement titles.

ThePedge

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Within in about 20 minutes I edited my own title in, to me only I see "Seriously" but everyone else sees "Volunteer".

Malware = Malicious Software, tell me what is malicous about this?

Let's assume that there is no malicious code.
Then the question remains -- for what reason does it need to be included in various addons?
For what reason is non-consensual non-aware participation required?
For what reason can it not be treated as any other addon -- user opt-in with full awareness that they are using the add-on?

Is it fear that the addon won't be popular enough for people to see the titles? If so, consider how that can be interpreted.

1. Don't need to assume I've read it, it's not malicious.
2. Does it need one?
3. Does it need one?
4. AddOn Authors talk to eachother, and they can request custom titles. Probably if they then include it in their own, or choose to do so, so that they can see their own custom title. Then the flush it out within their own so if people ever come across them in-game, they stand out.
5.How can that be interpreted?

Raisin

@starkerealm

You read their other thread where they whined about how they never did anything wrong while groups of people always bullied them for no reason, and those people then spoke up about how Nord had to be kicked from guilds for their behavior, harassment, stalking...? Like if you haven't even heard all sides and say you won't speculate, rather don't speculate. They really don't need any more sympathy than they try to gather by bringing up their interpersonal drama in every bloody thread they comment on. And it's not relevant to the discussion anyway.

deleted008293

It is still malware, If it is few MB of data few GB of data or as few as few kb, it does take internet bandwidth usage and storage space.

deleted008293

@Raisin lets put it this other way then

Fact that my past reputation worked against me didn't helped me much here either. But. If those people knew my past then why did they recruited me in the first place only so they can kick me 2 days later? And also split me from my friend? And you take their defense? They came together, they stick together, If one decided to stay with the team because he or she get influenced by your egoism, elitism, performances, or whatever, you take responsibility for what is happening next. There is nothing mature and professionalism about that.
Also keep in mind that I was the one looking around for a raid team, at her request. She also asked me to check this team before going together and I did made her come with me so go figure out how much I blame myself for what happened. She even told me not to raid during my birthday... and wish we never went there.
Asking or looking out after your friend progress in a raid team is not stalking.
Asking about the progression of a certain group also isn't considered stalking. I was curious about this particular group progression for various reasons, got unfairly replaced, got split from my friend and their elitism showed me that not even with some of the best tanks in the team could actually clear the vCR3 raid within a decent period of time.
There is a lot to discuss and speculate out there about past actions but lets focus on the current situation.

deleted008293

Also before judging someone try to listen to both sides of the story.

Raisin

@nordmarian I literally did not ask. Everybody has heard of your side of the story because you gotta tie every thread into the topic of your drama and that 57th time you lost a friend and also it was someone's birthday

deleted008293

This is going more and more off topic....and becoming a witch hunt towards me.

So here we go again, named and shamed in public then you are wondering why my reputation went south?
You guys knew that I used to help everyone in zone raids for years up to 6AM in the morning, training runs for years, raids that lasted 32 hours, but you try to only look at my bad side. To be honest with you I barely seen a someone elitist to EVER form a raid in zone chat anymore. Why not focusing attention on them as well? I was just unlucky to met some of those egoistic and elitistic people whom feel harassed or annoyed by some of my actions, as soon as I landed in the raiding scene. What happens next? Block? Kick? Name and shame? Then I complain. You don't like it I complain more. It was on me in the end cos I should just mind my business. But it was a ripple effect in the end.

You see... if someone is doing something that you consider it wrong then try to have a talk with that person. I was new to the mmo universe. Clearly I had no idea how raids were formed, lead, etc. I never considered that simply whispering someone to join your raids or to take you to theirs is considered harassment. You don't like it fine you can just say it in a nice and polite way. I played some emotes in front of the wrong people same so what? Move on. I was jumping on raids and asked if they need my help? Again make me understand why that was wrong and I wont do it next time. Sometimes when you are too kind and too nice you are easily becoming a target. You weren't in the mood for socialize? Same be kind and say it. What is the point in being in a guild when you can't say anything else in chat than LFG, LFM or talking about the game? Not in a mood to make a new friend? Again. Be nice and say it. Don't want to continue questing or playing with someone? Same. Bad performance during a raid or some weird attitude you don't like move along. I was just enjoying playing lute during a boss fight. I was bored so what? You aggroed before me... I count down when I'm ready. Or I have some fun counting down from 999. Again not a reason to make fun of me. I confuse left with right? Happened once or twice. I do want to tank a trial in a way that make me more confortable? Let me do it. I got an idea or suggestion? Let me explain it. Keep in mind that we are humans. Mind the fact that not everyone might be as healthy physically and mentally as you. Ignoring and Trash talking in the whole community that x can't play the game is just one more reason everyone will avoid that person and won't play with him or her. And some people do have 0 tolerance to anything. I was carrying everyone after me for free? Everyone deserve same chance to learn or complete a raid sooner or later. But ofc by doing that I was stripping some for the chance to earn some money.

Most drama mostly was coming from raiding anyway. Often I got invited to raids and I was removed from group because X didn't wanted to raid with me for various reasons. I don't have a problem raiding with anyone so why you do? I did a bad raid once? Maybe I improved. We had a fight? Same. But this was always a hunt towards me because I was always trying to lower the ceiling between elitism and entry level in various ways such as suggesting additional difficulties in between normal and veteran, or lowering the difficulty on the end game so a larger mass of players could actually reach there.

I was in a housing guild and I was porting uninvited to some people to check their houses? It was wrong from me sorry. One more reason not to cause a scene. You don't want uninvited guests? Block the house. Here... pass this to the devs: Group mode permission. Only people in group with you can visit that house. Nice and easy.

End notes? You guys always took me away the chance to raid with my friends, causing me grief and drama and when I complained about it you always put in front of me my performances. Not that I did not caused some to others or talked bad about which I wanted to apology once more because some did not deserved it.

As for my friend? The first day I met her she told me that people trash talked me to her, and told her to stay away from me... and yet we've had some of the best memories together. Why you re keep doing it and not let me be?

I want this add-on to be taken down, I'm really sorry for authors for all this drama and mess. I am really sorry for every single one out there with a nice title whom did helped me in the past, teaching me to play this game for months and raiding with me. But I do not want to let this egoistic and intrusive add-on to influence some other people decisions to join or not a team, and especially to turn friends one against each other. I am not entirely against the custom titles for those who did contributed a lot but that should be given by zos themselves and not third parties. Even so I think it will be better to not allow such implementation. Either ALL or NONE.

As for the add-on itself... what will stop 1M of player base to submit their information overnight and try to apply for a custom title? This one is in author defense. There should be a better system.

starkerealm

Raisin wrote: »

@starkerealm

You read their other thread where they whined about how they never did anything wrong while groups of people always bullied them for no reason, and those people then spoke up about how Nord had to be kicked from guilds for their behavior, harassment, stalking...? Like if you haven't even heard all sides and say you won't speculate, rather don't speculate. They really don't need any more sympathy than they try to gather by bringing up their interpersonal drama in every bloody thread they comment on. And it's not relevant to the discussion anyway.

@Raisin, I agree, we do not have all the information. With that in mind, please don't feed him. Like I said, I'm not going to speculate as to what actually happened, or why Nord is the way he (or she) is. I don't really need to know what happened with all that drama. I don't need that drama.

I agree, I'm getting tired of it too, but jumping on them doesn't do anyone any good, and it only keeps us talking about this. We done?

Raisin

starkerealm wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

@starkerealm

You read their other thread where they whined about how they never did anything wrong while groups of people always bullied them for no reason, and those people then spoke up about how Nord had to be kicked from guilds for their behavior, harassment, stalking...? Like if you haven't even heard all sides and say you won't speculate, rather don't speculate. They really don't need any more sympathy than they try to gather by bringing up their interpersonal drama in every bloody thread they comment on. And it's not relevant to the discussion anyway.

@Raisin, I agree, we do not have all the information. With that in mind, please don't feed him. Like I said, I'm not going to speculate as to what actually happened, or why Nord is the way he (or she) is. I don't really need to know what happened with all that drama. I don't need that drama.

I agree, I'm getting tired of it too, but jumping on them doesn't do anyone any good, and it only keeps us talking about this. We done?

You engaged him and made your whole response about his personal drama. Don't do that then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

deleted008293

@Raisin me and you didn't even crossed paths as far as I remember. And you named and shamed me in public. Why doing it then?

You are right none know the whole picture here so it can be speculative but keep it on topic and you already had the facts in 2 different threats so I'm not going to repeat myself. And stop trash talking, banning, ignoring people.

I do have a lot of ppl around me who think I'm really nice. I'm helpful, I'm creative. Others considered I'm not and imposed that towards others as well. Used their influence in the community etc. Fact I had some dramas with some people is a different story but it did worked against me.

Why my friend took me to NA server under a new name if I was that bad person who you all talk on every discord about and share some pictures? And yes I saw circulating in discord some pictures about me which are defamatory, shaming and I could go on. Don't play the innocent part. And why you keep harassing me in PM with messages like. "I know who you are" she did changed my name for a reason, to put the past behind and move on. We were happy... and then what? You people started to stalk and harass her on NA server. Why? My attitude wasn't the best either. Always negativist, depressed, upset on life. Stop bullying me forever and leave me alone. If we met in a raid or in zone... be nice. past is past. present is present, future is future. Don't trigger me past dramas over and over and let me alone. Please. ;( And leave her outta of this, in fact we don't even know what happened with her, when we talked last time, she was really sick... ;(

@ZOS Please take into consideration the missuses of this particular add-on and come with an official answer.

starkerealm

@nordmarian, if someone's harassing you, especially via PMs, report 'em. Just report 'em.

starkerealm

Raisin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

@starkerealm

You read their other thread where they whined about how they never did anything wrong while groups of people always bullied them for no reason, and those people then spoke up about how Nord had to be kicked from guilds for their behavior, harassment, stalking...? Like if you haven't even heard all sides and say you won't speculate, rather don't speculate. They really don't need any more sympathy than they try to gather by bringing up their interpersonal drama in every bloody thread they comment on. And it's not relevant to the discussion anyway.

@Raisin, I agree, we do not have all the information. With that in mind, please don't feed him. Like I said, I'm not going to speculate as to what actually happened, or why Nord is the way he (or she) is. I don't really need to know what happened with all that drama. I don't need that drama.

I agree, I'm getting tired of it too, but jumping on them doesn't do anyone any good, and it only keeps us talking about this. We done?

You engaged him and made your whole response about his personal drama. Don't do that then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In point of fact, I said, "lay off him," just not in so many words. But, this whole routine of yours has me thinking he might not be as off base as he seems.

jainiadral

nordmarian wrote: »

@Raisin me and you didn't even crossed paths as far as I remember. And you named and shamed me in public. Why doing it then?

You are right none know the whole picture here so it can be speculative but keep it on topic and you already had the facts in 2 different threats so I'm not going to repeat myself. And stop trash talking, banning, ignoring people.

I do have a lot of ppl around me who think I'm really nice. I'm helpful, I'm creative. Others considered I'm not and imposed that towards others as well. Used their influence in the community etc. Fact I had some dramas with some people is a different story but it did worked against me.

Why my friend took me to NA server under a new name if I was that bad person who you all talk on every discord about and share some pictures? And yes I saw circulating in discord some pictures about me which are defamatory, shaming and I could go on. Don't play the innocent part. And why you keep harassing me in PM with messages like. "I know who you are" she did changed my name for a reason, to put the past behind and move on. We were happy... and then what? You people started to stalk and harass her on NA server. Why? My attitude wasn't the best either. Always negativist, depressed, upset on life. Stop bullying me forever and leave me alone. If we met in a raid or in zone... be nice. past is past. present is present, future is future. Don't trigger me past dramas over and over and let me alone. Please. ;( And leave her outta of this, in fact we don't even know what happened with her, when we talked last time, she was really sick... ;(

@ZOS Please take into consideration the missuses of this particular add-on and come with an official answer.

Report them, then ignore them. Stop engaging. Then take a deep breath and walk away. Do something else for a few days until you're feeling a little better. Whatever happened, the more you dwell on it, the more it hurts you. Focus on the positive people around you.

No grudge, situation, or personal vendetta is worth your long-term health. I wish you well and I hope things get better for you

ZOS_RogerJ

This thread has been locked given its non-constructive and baiting/bashing nature.