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Where do we draw the line?

MotokoHutt
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Honestly this whole crown crate thing has become sickening. I remember when they first released them, you bought yourself a pack of 15 crates and you where pretty much garenteed an Apex mount or even better a delicious sweetroll. Now you buy 15 crates and you will be lucky to get a gold (not so legendary) item, it's not like there even being creative with there crown crate rewards ether, they recycle skins that have been on NPC's for months if not years, they recolour an animal or shrink an enemy to give you a small one. I mean how much effort does this really take ZoS? 1 single afternoon on photoshop and maya and I could do all the work for your crown crates.

My partner was looking forward to getting the new Goutfang Senche-Raht mount, she had her money all saved up crowns a plenty waiting just encase it turned out to be more crowns then she had predicted, she was willing to pay upto 5000 crowns for a SINGLE mount, which in on it's self is extortionate yet she was willing and able, she would have happily shoved her cash in ZOS's big fat gob and said "take my money" yet now? 500 gems for a single mount? thats more then a damn apex, and you couldnt even give people a choice whether to buy it with crowns or gamble there money? Stop forcing people to play your slot machines this is NOT a casino.

I am sure plenty of people are equally upset about the pocket watcher aswell. ZoS....... 300 GEMS for a shrunk down version of an enemy thats been in the game since launch? Have you seriosly lost the plot? This Crown Crate money pit has to stop, or your just going to drive players away. Have you not been reading gaming news in the past 2 or so years and been living under a rock? With countries officially declaring loot boxes as gambling and entire games getting boycot due to even HAVING loot boxes in them you really think this baloney fly's?

Enough has to be enough at some point, and honestly I have been a paying member of this game for years now and I am starting to get to the end of my tether with your level of incompetence. Not like there isnt a long long LONG list of other games I could be playing instead of your cash grab simulator.
  • Alienoutlaw
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    but if your partner had the gems and got the mount how would this post of gone then?
    sounds like sour grapes
    Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who they want you to be
  • sharquez
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    It's up to the players to stop throwing away disposable income on these fleeting overpriced luxury items. I will say i myself am guilty of spending needlessly on thing on this game, But I definitely avoid the crates and usually spend my monthly stipend on more assured things that will benefit me.
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  • redspecter23
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    Sorry, stopped reading after your first two lines. You were never essentially guaranteed an apex or sweetroll in 15 crates. If that was your experience, good for you. What you experienced was good RNG. The drop rates have not changed in any way from release and there are resources to show that.

    If you start a conversation with inaccurate information, you really don't have much to start with.

    Am I a huge fan of lootboxes? No. However, I am a fan of knowledge and statistics and https://www.crowncrates.com/ is an amazing resource that anyone interested in crown crates should check out beforehand. Be educated about your purchases and understand how RNG works.

    Maybe one day we'll live in a world without predatory loot boxes, but for now we have to work with what we have and be responsible about it.
  • jaws343
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    The only place to draw the line is if they start reaching into your bank account and forcing you to spend money on the crates. They are optional.

    I have to pay for water every month. A regulated by the government necessity. Sometimes, I want to treat myself and I buy flavored or sparkling water that costs much much more than the extremely cheap water that comes out of my faucet.

    You know what's great? The more expensive options are just that optional.

    If you think the crown store items are overpriced, don't buy them. Smart people don't spend money on things they deem over priced. You know what happens in a market when people aren't buying things? The seller lowers prices or offers discounts. Smart consumers spend their money smartly. Be a smart consumer. Complaining about prices on the forums, acting like you are being scammed, or being otherwise derogatory over the crown store is infantile. Especially when the thing being complained about is 100% optional.

    Like, movie theater concessions are expensive. But you know what? When I walk into the theater to see a movie I can walk right past the concessions and go straight to the movie. No one is ushering me into a line to buy overpriced popcorn. It's there if I want it. And if enough people don't want it, maybe they lower the prices.
  • Avariprivateer
    jaws343 wrote: »
    When I walk into the theater to see a movie I can walk right past the concessions and go straight to the movie. No one is ushering me into a line to buy overpriced popcorn. It's there if I want it. And if enough people don't want it, maybe they lower the prices.
    Where I come from, until this year, matinees cost $5 a head ( 6 evening) and candy was ranged from $1.75- 3.00. The theater walls had hand painted scenery and balconies. No audio ads. Greed is not eternal.

    Its now $6 to get in, and the candy is a buck more,and the advertisments annoy, but it remains the best deal by far.
  • ErinM31
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    The only place to draw the line is if they start reaching into your bank account and forcing you to spend money on the crates. They are optional.

    I have to pay for water every month. A regulated by the government necessity. Sometimes, I want to treat myself and I buy flavored or sparkling water that costs much much more than the extremely cheap water that comes out of my faucet.

    You know what's great? The more expensive options are just that optional.

    If you think the crown store items are overpriced, don't buy them. Smart people don't spend money on things they deem over priced. You know what happens in a market when people aren't buying things? The seller lowers prices or offers discounts. Smart consumers spend their money smartly. Be a smart consumer. Complaining about prices on the forums, acting like you are being scammed, or being otherwise derogatory over the crown store is infantile. Especially when the thing being complained about is 100% optional.

    Like, movie theater concessions are expensive. But you know what? When I walk into the theater to see a movie I can walk right past the concessions and go straight to the movie. No one is ushering me into a line to buy overpriced popcorn. It's there if I want it. And if enough people don't want it, maybe they lower the prices.

    I agree 100%. I will never call loot boxes “predatory” or anything else that implies I have no choice or will of my own. I do think some practices are in poor taste but no, it is hyperbolic to call things like loot boxes “criminal.”

    I still leave my feedback, for whatever it may be worth, as well as voting with my wallet. ;)
  • Freddycruz89
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    It was painful to stop making purchases related to this game other than subscription BECAUSE I lovED the game. It really sucked to see people walking around in an amazing mounts or costume that were simply out of my financial reach because not everyone can cough up the funds for 500 crown gems for ONE item. As a roleplayer, cosmetics are a big part of the experience and it is just plain sickening to see how far the money grab has come.

    I HAD TO STOP. HAD TO! A painful, but rational decision. I know it sucks, but all you can do is stop handing your money to them until the market is once again reasonable (at least for you). As some have mentioned, and while I do not like it, they are optional, and you can stop. :(

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  • MotokoHutt
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    Sorry, stopped reading after your first two lines. You were never essentially guaranteed an apex or sweetroll in 15 crates. If that was your experience, good for you. What you experienced was good RNG. The drop rates have not changed in any way from release and there are resources to show that.

    If you start a conversation with inaccurate information, you really don't have much to start with.

    Am I a huge fan of lootboxes? No. However, I am a fan of knowledge and statistics and https://www.crowncrates.com/ is an amazing resource that anyone interested in crown crates should check out beforehand. Be educated about your purchases and understand how RNG works.

    Maybe one day we'll live in a world without predatory loot boxes, but for now we have to work with what we have and be responsible about it.

    Frankly I think you and whoever made that link of yours are just niave. I call BS on your "statement" if you can call it that, companies change odds of things all the time and can do on the fly threw software. HELL there is even entire companies out there dedicated to helping gaming dev's to marginalise on people based on collected data and spending patterns.
  • msalvia
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    As someone who has never bought a crown crate--because why would I blow IRL money for a random chance at purely cosmetic costumes, mounts, etc.--I know where the line is. It's a simple cost-benefit analysis:

    Is the cost of x IRL dollars worth the benefit of (maybe) getting an item that functions EXACTLY THE SAME as the free ones I get in game?

    Hard no. I get that this might be predatory for people with obsessive disorders or gambling addictions, but for the vast majority of players, this is a question of personal choice and impulse control.

    For real, if you oppose crown crates, your options are 1) don't buy them (and maybe, if enough people stop buying them, they'll stop selling them), or 2) push for some kind of legal intervention like what's happening in Europe.
  • MotokoHutt
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    ErinM31 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    The only place to draw the line is if they start reaching into your bank account and forcing you to spend money on the crates. They are optional.

    I have to pay for water every month. A regulated by the government necessity. Sometimes, I want to treat myself and I buy flavored or sparkling water that costs much much more than the extremely cheap water that comes out of my faucet.

    You know what's great? The more expensive options are just that optional.

    If you think the crown store items are overpriced, don't buy them. Smart people don't spend money on things they deem over priced. You know what happens in a market when people aren't buying things? The seller lowers prices or offers discounts. Smart consumers spend their money smartly. Be a smart consumer. Complaining about prices on the forums, acting like you are being scammed, or being otherwise derogatory over the crown store is infantile. Especially when the thing being complained about is 100% optional.

    Like, movie theater concessions are expensive. But you know what? When I walk into the theater to see a movie I can walk right past the concessions and go straight to the movie. No one is ushering me into a line to buy overpriced popcorn. It's there if I want it. And if enough people don't want it, maybe they lower the prices.

    I agree 100%. I will never call loot boxes “predatory” or anything else that implies I have no choice or will of my own. I do think some practices are in poor taste but no, it is hyperbolic to call things like loot boxes “criminal.”

    I still leave my feedback, for whatever it may be worth, as well as voting with my wallet. ;)

    Thats like saying an Owl isnt predatory just cus the field mouse got a way. Regardless whether or not you boughtthe crown crates there still predatory, YOU dont get to pick if something preys on people or not, you just chose to get away from the predator if you can. I sware its comments like these that make me loose faith in the human race.
  • MotokoHutt
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    MotokoHutt wrote: »
    Sorry, stopped reading after your first two lines. You were never essentially guaranteed an apex or sweetroll in 15 crates. If that was your experience, good for you. What you experienced was good RNG. The drop rates have not changed in any way from release and there are resources to show that.

    If you start a conversation with inaccurate information, you really don't have much to start with.

    Am I a huge fan of lootboxes? No. However, I am a fan of knowledge and statistics and https://www.crowncrates.com/ is an amazing resource that anyone interested in crown crates should check out beforehand. Be educated about your purchases and understand how RNG works.

    Maybe one day we'll live in a world without predatory loot boxes, but for now we have to work with what we have and be responsible about it.

    Frankly I think you and whoever made that link of yours are just niave. I call BS on your "statement" if you can call it that, companies change odds of things all the time and can do on the fly threw software. HELL there is even entire companies out there dedicated to helping gaming dev's to marginalise on people based on collected data and spending patterns.

    I'm sure your "feely feels" about the drop rates are right and the thousands of points of data are fabricated.

    Can companies change odds? Sure.

    Did they do it in this case? I don't believe so... based on real actual data and not feels.

    Yeah cus fabricated data is super reliable cus I am sure companies ALWAYS release acurate information and we live in a world full of sun shine and rainbows and unicorns that fart magical glitter that tastes like cup cakes =_=
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