5.2.3 Deadly Strike set.

Davadin

5-piece DoT bonus from 14% to 20%.

BrentBlemish

This with my stam DK. OMG. I LOVE YOU ZOS

BattleAxe

Stone giant really doesn’t seem so bad now with these other changes

Ragnarock41

I thought the set was very viable even before this buff, I would call this potentially overpowered for stamDk but they butchered how dots work with corrosive armor, so it should be probably fine.

Azirius

I’m actually really happy with this! I was hoping this set I just bought for two of my toons wasn’t gonna be a *massive* waste, fingers crossed it stays this way!

Daedric_NB_187

Damn. I went ahead and deconned all of mine lol. Oh well.

ArenGesus

Happy about this. I have two characters wearing it now. Hoping that it paired with relequen/vMA flurry will still work for pve.

kathandira

I've been using it with Hundings on Live for a while now. I find it deals great damage. With it doing 6% more, I think my StamDK will survive this upcoming patch.

Nemesis7884

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Damn. I went ahead and deconned all of mine lol. Oh well.

dont worry, im sure those 500k daggers are gonna get way cheaper now ^^

Dagoth_Rac

Are there any sets that increase DoTs for magicka builds? While you will have to specifically build for it, stamina DoT builds seem endgame viable on PTS. Not sure about magicka DoT builds, though.

MentalxHammer

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Damn. I went ahead and deconned all of mine lol. Oh well.

lol I just deconned mine too I'm right there with ya bro.

Lughlongarm

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Are there any sets that increase DoTs for magicka builds? While you will have to specifically build for it, stamina DoT builds seem endgame viable on PTS. Not sure about magicka DoT builds, though.

"Z'en's Redress set" is what you are referring to, but they haven't adjusted it back to 10%(as it was initially released on the last PTS cycle). Hope they will in the future.

Davadin

BrentBlemish wrote: »

This with my stam DK. OMG. I LOVE YOU ZOS

yes, staple of my main StamDK too. my CP and combo is geared for burst in Cyro, but the set still carries my DoT....


now? it'll be noticeably a bigger deal.

oh, and with Agility set being buffed, my Master DW and Master Great Axe feels very comfortable.

Davadin

ArenGesus wrote: »

Happy about this. I have two characters wearing it now. Hoping that it paired with relequen/vMA flurry will still work for pve.

i have 1 with relequen for PvE and can deal very VERY good damage, even if its all Impen trait lol

Dagoth_Rac

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Are there any sets that increase DoTs for magicka builds? While you will have to specifically build for it, stamina DoT builds seem endgame viable on PTS. Not sure about magicka DoT builds, though.

"Z'en's Redress set" is what you are referring to, but they haven't adjusted it back to 10%(as it was initially released on the last PTS cycle). Hope they will in the future.

Cool. DoT builds are kind of fun. But my main is magicka, not stamina, and I am too lazy to start a new character.

valeriiya

BrentBlemish wrote: »

This with my stam DK. OMG. I LOVE YOU ZOS

Mine too! I'm super excited about this

SHANKS_63

I have been using mine with rele on a stamsorc with great results on live. I was very happy to see this little buff! I plan to get a set for my Stamdk now.

WrathOfInnos

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Are there any sets that increase DoTs for magicka builds? While you will have to specifically build for it, stamina DoT builds seem endgame viable on PTS. Not sure about magicka DoT builds, though.

Nope, Magicka builds can’t have nice things. Can I offer you a 20% boost to something worse than DoTs?

vesselwiththepestle

Keep in mind, that Deadly Strike does not buff your tool tip, it buffs your base damage without Thaumaturge. So with highly nerfed dots even with the buffed percentage on Deadly Strike, the increase in dot damage might still be lower because the base damage of dots got reduced by so much!

Actually on Stam DK I am parsing right now higher when I use Viper's Sting instead of Deadly Strike (on 6M dummy, I guess on the raid dummy DS would get the upper hand because of increased crits).

Davadin

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Keep in mind, that Deadly Strike does not buff your tool tip, it buffs your base damage without Thaumaturge. So with highly nerfed dots even with the buffed percentage on Deadly Strike, the increase in dot damage might still be lower because the base damage of dots got reduced by so much!

Actually on Stam DK I am parsing right now higher when I use Viper's Sting instead of Deadly Strike (on 6M dummy, I guess on the raid dummy DS would get the upper hand because of increased crits).

i'm pretty sure my Carve and Nox Breath tooltip is a lot higher when Deadly Strike is up.

that being said, yes, DoT might still be lower anyway, BUT Deadly Strike 5% increase does make a difference.

i wish i have Viper Sting to test tho lol

vesselwiththepestle

On PTS you can get Viper's Sting out of the container .

I guess it depends on rotation, probably I just haven't found the optimal Deadly Strikes rotation yet. On the 6M dummy I am parsing at around ~42k.

My main issue is sustain though and I guess next patch I'll just run Vicious Ophidian for convenience anyway.

Caff32

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Damn. I went ahead and deconned all of mine lol. Oh well.

dont worry, im sure those 500k daggers are gonna get way cheaper now ^^

Ideally you wouldn’t want to front bar the set anyway so they may not be as bad as you think.

Davadin

oh i dont know which parse higher, but im pretty sure Deadly Strike bumps my tooltip. wrong. see next post.

I can swap from 5x Spriggan to 5x DS med armor and my green claw bumps from 19k to 23k.

Davadin

Davadin wrote: »

oh i dont know which parse higher, but im pretty sure Deadly Strike bumps my tooltip.

I can swap from 5x Spriggan to 5x DS med armor and my green claw bumps from 19k to 23k.

ok i'm wrong. just tested again in live.

Sprig (2x stam 1x damage) my claw is 5214 with 23142 DoT
DS (2x damage 1x crit) claw is 5128 with 24954 DoT.

vesselwiththepestle

I didn't mean Deadly Strike doesn't show on your tooltip. I meant that Deadly Strike doesn't buff the value from your tooltip, but a lower value you can't actually see. However, maybe they changed how the calculation is done. I have tested this matter only on PTS. So on PTS your tooltip increases - but it does not increase by 20%, but far less!

vesselwiththepestle

On PTS:

No CP in Mighty, Thaumaturge, Master-at-arms, no Searing Heat:

Claw: 7225 tooltip
With Deadly Strike: 8670

This is an actual increase by 20% or 1445 damage

Now I put 43 points in Mighty, giving 10% increase to poison damage.

Claw: 7945
With Deadly Strike: 9390

This is an increase by ~18% or 1445 damage.

Now I put 56 points into Thaumaturge for a 20% increase to dot damage.

Claw: 9390
With Deadly Strike: 10835

This is an increase by ~15% or 1445 damage.

So whatever my tooltip shows due to CP into Thaumaturge and Mighty, I'll only get +1445 damage on the tooltip. This behaves strangely with the increased duration from Searing Heat and I realized Noxious Breath might have been the better example, but I don't want to go through it again.

The comparison with Spriggan's is especially interesting. If you want to go for like 4.5k Pen and 20% dot increase, using Deadly Strike would give you an advantage of like 5 CP over Spriggan's. You could just use Spriggan's, put your spare points you don't need to put into Pen into Thaumaturge and be done with it. It's not much of a difference.

Nemesis7884

who profits the most from deadly? DK for sure, maybe templar... maybe necro...necro gets a nice double tap with the passive but blastbones and the skull kinda dont profit...

Kolzki

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

On PTS:

No CP in Mighty, Thaumaturge, Master-at-arms, no Searing Heat:

Claw: 7225 tooltip
With Deadly Strike: 8670

This is an actual increase by 20% or 1445 damage

Now I put 43 points in Mighty, giving 10% increase to poison damage.

Claw: 7945
With Deadly Strike: 9390

This is an increase by ~18% or 1445 damage.

Now I put 56 points into Thaumaturge for a 20% increase to dot damage.

Claw: 9390
With Deadly Strike: 10835

This is an increase by ~15% or 1445 damage.

So whatever my tooltip shows due to CP into Thaumaturge and Mighty, I'll only get +1445 damage on the tooltip. This behaves strangely with the increased duration from Searing Heat and I realized Noxious Breath might have been the better example, but I don't want to go through it again.

The comparison with Spriggan's is especially interesting. If you want to go for like 4.5k Pen and 20% dot increase, using Deadly Strike would give you an advantage of like 5 CP over Spriggan's. You could just use Spriggan's, put your spare points you don't need to put into Pen into Thaumaturge and be done with it. It's not much of a difference.

Most % buffs work like this. You add all of the % bonuses together and then multiply by the base damage. It would be more accurate if the tool tip said “increases your damage done multiplier by 20 percentage points for physical, bleed, poison and disease damage over time abilities”.

Davadin

Kolzki wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

On PTS:

No CP in Mighty, Thaumaturge, Master-at-arms, no Searing Heat:

Claw: 7225 tooltip
With Deadly Strike: 8670

This is an actual increase by 20% or 1445 damage

Now I put 43 points in Mighty, giving 10% increase to poison damage.

Claw: 7945
With Deadly Strike: 9390

This is an increase by ~18% or 1445 damage.

Now I put 56 points into Thaumaturge for a 20% increase to dot damage.

Claw: 9390
With Deadly Strike: 10835

This is an increase by ~15% or 1445 damage.

So whatever my tooltip shows due to CP into Thaumaturge and Mighty, I'll only get +1445 damage on the tooltip. This behaves strangely with the increased duration from Searing Heat and I realized Noxious Breath might have been the better example, but I don't want to go through it again.

The comparison with Spriggan's is especially interesting. If you want to go for like 4.5k Pen and 20% dot increase, using Deadly Strike would give you an advantage of like 5 CP over Spriggan's. You could just use Spriggan's, put your spare points you don't need to put into Pen into Thaumaturge and be done with it. It's not much of a difference.

Most % buffs work like this. You add all of the % bonuses together and then multiply by the base damage. It would be more accurate if the tool tip said “increases your damage done multiplier by 20 percentage points for physical, bleed, poison and disease damage over time abilities”.

yes. thus this is exactly in Live my fully buffed 23k DoT get far less than 15% buff when wearing Spriggan.

after multiple tests in Live, my overall DPS using same rotation actually about 10% higher with Spriggan on a 3m dummy.

PvP wise, if pts goes live as is with DoT nerf, I'm taking all points from Thaumturge and put them in master arms or mighty lol... and wear 7th legion heavy armor with Onslaught and be done with it lol...

PvE, I'll have to test it again when it's live. i think it's still better than Spriggan since on trial/dungeon group content u don't want to overpenetrate.

Nemesis7884

Kolzki wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

On PTS:

No CP in Mighty, Thaumaturge, Master-at-arms, no Searing Heat:

Claw: 7225 tooltip
With Deadly Strike: 8670

This is an actual increase by 20% or 1445 damage

Now I put 43 points in Mighty, giving 10% increase to poison damage.

Claw: 7945
With Deadly Strike: 9390

This is an increase by ~18% or 1445 damage.

Now I put 56 points into Thaumaturge for a 20% increase to dot damage.

Claw: 9390
With Deadly Strike: 10835

This is an increase by ~15% or 1445 damage.

So whatever my tooltip shows due to CP into Thaumaturge and Mighty, I'll only get +1445 damage on the tooltip. This behaves strangely with the increased duration from Searing Heat and I realized Noxious Breath might have been the better example, but I don't want to go through it again.

The comparison with Spriggan's is especially interesting. If you want to go for like 4.5k Pen and 20% dot increase, using Deadly Strike would give you an advantage of like 5 CP over Spriggan's. You could just use Spriggan's, put your spare points you don't need to put into Pen into Thaumaturge and be done with it. It's not much of a difference.

Most % buffs work like this. You add all of the % bonuses together and then multiply by the base damage. It would be more accurate if the tool tip said “increases your damage done multiplier by 20 percentage points for physical, bleed, poison and disease damage over time abilities”.

i think it makes sense this way...otherwise youd have huge issues with scaling

Schattenfluegel

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Are there any sets that increase DoTs for magicka builds? While you will have to specifically build for it, stamina DoT builds seem endgame viable on PTS. Not sure about magicka DoT builds, though.

Nope, Magicka builds can’t have nice things. Can I offer you a 20% boost to something worse than DoTs?

This Set has never been bad. I think it was BiS in the old Overloadmeta with the juwelry from Light of Cyrodil (which was changed later), before we got willpower set. And it still work...